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Old 04-02-2012, 10:46 AM   #61
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I'm unaware we are now talking about tablets.
We are talking about Best Buy - you see the thread title RIGHT? And Best Buy sells tablets, RIGHT? And the tablet category was SPECIFICALLY mentioned in previous posts, RIGHT? Do you even read the thread before commenting?
"The home office revenue category includes notebook and desktop computers, tablets"

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...Looks like the Entertainment segment for Comparable Stores has declined from 23% in March 2008 to 13% today...while "Home Office/Computing and Mobile Phones" has risen from 26% in 2008 to 38% now.
Do you see how tablets became part of the discussion now??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????

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Oh, Wait, I get it. Because Blu-ray has failed, you need to bring up a successful product to get people talking about it?
Tablets were already discussed in posts before mine. READ THE THREAD.

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Classic.

Keep fighting the good fight!
HD DVD lost. Get over it.

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Best Buy was talking about tablets in their conference call.

Tablets, iPad were mentioned 19 times.

Blu-ray, DVD, optical disc were mentioned zero times.
AND YET STILL we have Best Buy store closures.

Pretty clear tablets have done nothing to prevent Best Buy from having to close stores.

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:29 AM   #62
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AND YET STILL we have Best Buy store closures.

Pretty clear tablets have done nothing to prevent Best Buy from having to close stores.
I actually read a Forbes article where the analyst was discussing how products being sold in Best Buy is actually hurting them. The reason:
- Apple products have very tight margins for retailers (unless it is an Apple Store). Apple has larger margins on other brands, but in the case of tablets (and smart phones and music players) Apple dominates or is at the top of these markets.
- Once the Apple device is sold, Best Buy has little chance of making money on the content. People buy their apps, music, movies, etc at either the iTunes store or places like Amazon. Not Best Buy. In the past, for example, if Best Buy sold a low margin product like a DVD player, CD player, or HDTV, they would typically make their money back on CD or DVD sales. Not with tablets or smartphones, which are the hot devices right now.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:36 AM   #63
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So how many times did BestBuy mention "CinemaNow" at the call?
Zero. At the moment CinemaNow is a placeholder, with only a few dozen titles available for sale or rent. I doubt they are selling (or even renting) anything at all presently.

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Talk about a failed (and very costly) experiment...
Perhaps, but I don't think they are done experimenting.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:45 PM   #64
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Zero. At the moment CinemaNow is a placeholder, with only a few dozen titles available for sale or rent. I doubt they are selling (or even renting) anything at all presently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinemaNow

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The CinemaNow library contains approximately 14,000 feature-length films, shorts, music concerts and television programs from more than 250 licensors, including 20th Century Fox, ABC News, Disney, Endemol, MGM, Miramax, NBC Universal, Sony, Warner Bros., Sundance Channel, Koch Entertainment, and Lions Gate Entertainment. Video from CinemaNow is available for electronic sell-through Download To Own, in the home video release window including DVD burning using Qflix as well as rental time-limited viewing in the pay-per-view window.
Simply going to their web site:

http://www.cinemanow.com/Movies/1007,1,5,,1,2,0/

yields this tidbit at the top left:

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7024 titles (703 pages)
and that's just movies. It's not merely a "placeholder site", it's an active site akin to blockbuster, vudu, etc. I would say that Cinemanow is probably where Vudu was a year or 2 ago, except Vudu had a bit more promise to it- higher quality videos and stronger promotion by Walmart. Cinemanow doesn't really have much going for it- it duplicates Vudu and Itunes but doesn't really offer anyone anything that can be called an improvement over either of those services. They're in better shape than blockbuster though, whose apps on many devices no longer works because their arrangement with Roxio (IIRC) expired as of 3/31/2012 and that rendered many clients useless.

(clarified sentence that I ended a bit abruptly.)

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Old 04-02-2012, 02:20 PM   #65
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url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinemaNow[/url]

Simply going to their web site:

http://www.cinemanow.com/Movies/1007,1,5,,1,2,0/

yields this tidbit at the top left:


and that's just movies. It's not merely a "placeholder site", it's an active site akin to blockbuster, vudu, etc.
Clearly more than "a few dozen" movies. It's funny to see how people dismiss or mischaracterize things to avoid admitting something they dont want to admit about what they support.

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I would say that Cinemanow is probably where Vudu was a year or 2 ago, except Vudu had a bit more promise to it- higher quality videos and . Cinemanow doesn't really have much going for it- it duplicates Vudu and Itunes but doesn't really offer anyone anything that can be called an improvement over either of those services. They're in better shape than blockbuster though, whose apps on many devices no longer works because their arrangement with Roxio (IIRC) expired as of 3/31/2012 and that rendered many clients useless.
You just hit on the obstacle facing digital movies. There are so many redundant services with redundant pricing and content that users have no clue which one to get behind. Some have better HD quality and better audio quality, some are $1 cheaper than others for certain movies, some have movies that others don't have.

There is no consistency or standardization.

UV was/is supposed to fix this...
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Clearly more than "a few dozen" movies. It's funny to see how people dismiss or mischaracterize things to avoid admitting something they dont want to admit about what they support.

You just hit on the obstacle facing digital movies. There are so many redundant services with redundant pricing and content that users have no clue which one to get behind. Some have better HD quality and better audio quality, some are $1 cheaper than others for certain movies, some have movies that others don't have.

There is no consistency or standardization.

UV was/is supposed to fix this...
No. UV is suppose to save your precious...

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It's not merely a "placeholder site", it's an active site akin to blockbuster, vudu, etc.
So I go to Cinemanow through the Best Buy web site (where it is barely even advertised) and get this...

I see 43 titles. What is up with that?





And trying to browse movies by going through CinemaNow.com is an excersize in futility.
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:42 PM   #68
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I actually read a Forbes article where the analyst was discussing how products being sold in Best Buy is actually hurting them. The reason:
- Apple products have very tight margins for retailers (unless it is an Apple Store). Apple has larger margins on other brands, but in the case of tablets (and smart phones and music players) Apple dominates or is at the top of these markets.
- Once the Apple device is sold, Best Buy has little chance of making money on the content. People buy their apps, music, movies, etc at either the iTunes store or places like Amazon. Not Best Buy. In the past, for example, if Best Buy sold a low margin product like a DVD player, CD player, or HDTV, they would typically make their money back on CD or DVD sales. Not with tablets or smartphones, which are the hot devices right now.
That makes perfect sense. Apple used BB to sell thier products. Apples products are a runaway hit. BB doesn't make much money on apple products. Apple is part of the demise of DVD and why Bluray sales are poor. Movie aisles go empty. BB goes bye bye.
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So I go to Cinemanow through the Best Buy web site (where it is barely even advertised) and get this...

I see 43 titles. What is up with that?

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And trying to browse movies by going through CinemaNow.com is an excersize in futility.
It must be the best buy site. The cinemanow.com site is much more functional. I just "bought" a copy of some new pilot- "don't trust the b in apt 23" (it was free) and it was pretty easy. Plenty of stuff is available for purchase on cinemanow.... not so much the best buy site.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:43 AM   #70
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It must be the best buy site. The cinemanow.com site is much more functional. I just "bought" a copy of some new pilot- "don't trust the b in apt 23" (it was free) and it was pretty easy. Plenty of stuff is available for purchase on cinemanow.... not so much the best buy site.
Likewise for their portals on connected bluray players and PS3s and such.

I would hazard a guess more people are exposed to the service via their connected devices as opposed to going directly to Best Buy's website.

Most normal people wouldn't even know Best Buy owned the service. They would merely see the CinemaNow logo next to the other VOD logos on their connected device.
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No. UV is suppose to save your precious...

Is that why WB includes UV with DVD too?

Is that why Paramount sells UV on it's own, with no disc?
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...And trying to browse movies by going through CinemaNow.com is an excersize in futility.
Don't worry UV will fix all of this. Just you wait.
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Is that why WB includes UV with DVD too?

Is that why Paramount sells UV on it's own, with no disc?
Optical media is dying. Just ask Best Buy.
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It must be the best buy site. The cinemanow.com site is much more functional. I just "bought" a copy of some new pilot- "don't trust the b in apt 23" (it was free) and it was pretty easy. Plenty of stuff is available for purchase on cinemanow.... not so much the best buy site.
Which is why Mike said that it is a placeholder for BB.
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Optical media is dying. Just ask Best Buy.
Does that make you happy? You're the guy that only buys discs right?

You sound absolutely giddy sometimes referring to optical media as dead/dying. We all know only HD DVD is truly dead. I wonder if you would be so quick to talk about disc media dying if HD DVD weren't already dead? Because we all know when you talk about disc media dying you really would just like for bluray to die, so you could get a good laugh out of it, you know, paybacks, misery loves company, sour grapes, etc.

It's going to be hilarious when the next xbox comes with a bluray drive and all of those new games in Best Buy are on bluray discs. Your head might explode.
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