Optical (Blu-ray/DVD) and Digital (EST/UV) Sales Thread

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Oh gees.

Looking more and more like BD has, or will peak very soon. Those numbers are pretty bad. There is no real excuse for them either. They had plenty of sales and big enough titles to be...somewhat decent.

It is slightly disturbing and it does make the prospect of a physical 4K format in the next few years less likely.

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It is slightly disturbing and it does make the prospect of a physical 4K format in the next few years less likely.

When it comes to resolution for home video formats, there is a law of diminishing returns. As the resolution goes up, the market gets smaller for consumption.

IMO, 4k as a HV format would never be anything more then a niche product. And an expensive one at that. You are going to need 60" and above (80" and above is better) displays just to appreciate the difference versus 1080P. And you have to sit closer to the display to fully appreciate the increase in resolution.

The biggest issue IMO, is . . . would a 4K HV format be nothing more then an increase in the Luma signal leaving the Chroma where it is today (8bit). That would IMO be a waste. They would have to increase the Chroma to at least 10bit and preferrably to 12bit. Now we are talking professional level video. is Hollywood going to sign off on something like that?

[PSound]

I wonder if there is anyone left (expect those being paid) who will try and spin 2011 a good year for Blu-ray.

[GizmoDVD]

Originally Posted by PSound

I wonder if there is anyone left (expect those being paid) who will try and spin 2011 a good year for Blu-ray.

Those and a few others in denial, Sony lovers or the "up is up!" crowd.

[PSound]

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Those and a few others in denial, Sony lovers or the "up is up!" crowd.

It looks like 2011 was worse than even the lowest of estimates.

Even the revised lowered estimates after the single digit growth of H1 looks to have been too optimistic. There is absolutely no one that expected such a poor showing at the beginning of 2011.


How anyone can possibly try and spin this as a good year for Blu-ray is absurdly out of touch, or being compensated to sell a story.

[GizmoDVD]

Originally Posted by PSound

It looks like 2011 was worse than even the lowest of estimates.

Even the revised lowered estimates after the single digit growth of H1 looks to have been too optimistic. There is absolutely no one that expected such a poor showing at the beginning of 2011.


How anyone can possibly try and spin this as a good year for Blu-ray is absurdly out of touch, or being compensated to sell a story.

Well, we will know soon enough who will spin.

[TowerGrove]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It is slightly disturbing and it does make the prospect of a physical 4K format in the next few years less likely.

4K2K Ultra Definition Blu-ray expected in 2013
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4381...n-blu-ray-2013

[bruceames]

So the DEG report couldn't even give 20% to Blu-ray. I was really surprised because I thought that HMM was running low enough compared to DEG that it would come in about 3% higher YoY. And yet it was only 1.3% higher.

Glad the system (weekly report totals jiving with the DEG) still works.

[chipvideo]

Originally Posted by bruceames

So the DEG report couldn't even give 20% to Blu-ray. I was really surprised because I thought that HMM was running low enough compared to DEG that it would come in about 3% higher YoY. And yet it was only 1.3% higher.

Glad the system (weekly report totals jiving with the DEG) still works.

Not a good year for the format. I really want to see them breakout the numbers with sales and rentals.

[Malanthius]

Guess my pessimistic chickens hatched?

[PSound]

Originally Posted by Malanthius

Guess my pessimistic chickens hatched?

No, no, no!!

You are missing the spin pattern.

Yesterday your expectations were "pessimistic". Today (not that we know the results), those expectations are not surprising and studios are retailers are please with the results.


Keep up man! Remember, all future projection based on trends and reality are pessimistic and all current performance is phenomenal even if it was previously described as a pessimistic view.

[bombsnizzle]

Originally Posted by PSound

How anyone can possibly try and spin this as a good year for Blu-ray is absurdly out of touch, or being compensated to sell a story.

Likewise for EST. 9% growth, after 15% growth last year.

Growth slowing to single digits, with millions more devices sold in 2011.

[GizmoDVD]

Originally Posted by PSound

No, no, no!!

You are missing the spin pattern.

Yesterday your expectations were "pessimistic". Today (not that we know the results), those expectations are not surprising and studios are retailers are please with the results.


Keep up man! Remember, all future projection based on trends and reality are pessimistic and all current performance is phenomenal even if it was previously described as a pessimistic view.

Wow, that's pretty spot on.

Now is the time to deflect to 'digital sales are crap!'. At least that's what it says right here in the cheerleader handbook.

[PSound]

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Wow, that's pretty spot on.

Now is the time to deflect to 'digital sales are crap!'. At least that's what it says right here in the cheerleader handbook.

ROFL!

When the numbers are what they are, there really is not much else one can do.

[bombsnizzle]

Originally Posted by PSound

ROFL!

When the numbers are what they are, there really is not much else one can do.

Like single digit growth for EST?

Single. digit. growth.

Even more alarming is how none of you have yet to acknowledge EST sales being slowed to single digit growth.

You keep bypassing the information, as if it doesn't exist, because you don't want to discuss negative EST news.

You only want to discuss negative bluray news.

Which is quite biased and cowardly IMO.