Optical (Blu-ray/DVD) and Digital (EST/UV) Sales Thread

[JerryDandridge]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Updated thru week ending 12/29/12
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)

Week Date      OD     OD YoY      DVD    DVD YoY       BD    BD YoY  BD Share  TBO2012 TBO2011
2012 HMM    8181.48    -5.6%    5997.34    -9.9%    2184.04    8.6%    26.7%   10157.8  9979.0										
							

Q4 HMM      2914.71    -7.1%    2037.92   -11.0%     876.78    3.5%    30.1%    3319.1  3713.8

52  12/29    237.36    35.8%     169.84    29.8%      67.52   53.6%    28.4%      11.5    64.3
51  12/22    420.06   -12.9%     304.39   -17.4%     115.67    1.9%    27.5%     281.1   205.6
50  12/15    348.17    -5.8%     238.15   -15.1%     110.01   23.3%    31.6%     492.9   360.7
49  12/8     303.97    -6.1%     193.44   -21.0%     110.53   40.3%    36.4%     567.3   624.8
48  12/1     217.83    -5.3%     152.95   -12.4%      64.88   16.9%    29.8%     336.6   282.0
47  11/24    388.81    -0.3%     278.21    -7.6%     110.60   24.6%    28.4%      84.4   194.5
46  11/17    169.81     1.0%     115.01   -10.6%      54.79   38.5%    32.3%     326.0    41.6
45  11/10    128.76   -29.6%      93.33   -27.9%      35.43  -33.8%    27.5%     309.7   422.9
44  11/3     126.70   -25.0%      96.30   -18.9%      30.39  -39.4%    24.0%      93.1   335.6
43  10/27    149.05     0.9%     109.23    12.7%      39.82  -21.6%    26.7%     227.0   204.5
42  10/20    139.08   -12.3%      98.69     1.8%      40.40  -34.4%    29.0%     311.3   370.0
41  10/13    137.69   -11.0%      91.68   -14.8%      46.02   -2.3%    33.4%     181.4   343.3
40  10/6     147.42   -20.5%      96.70   -12.5%      50.72  -32.2%    34.4%      96.8   264.0                               
			
Q3 DEG      1672.54    -4.0%    1195.84    -9.5%     476.70   13.0%    28.5% (EST)187.1   10.1%(share)
Q3 HMM      1624.71    -3.7%    1199.77    -8.6%     424.65   13.3%    26.1%    2147.2  1806.5

39  9/29     198.99    28.7%     110.98     0.1%      88.01  101.1%    44.2%     624.6   352.1
38  9/22     118.97   -26.2%      89.54   -20.5%      28.63  -39.8%    24.2%     116.0   169.3
37  9/15     134.97   -18.9%     100.75    -6.9%      34.22  -41.1%    25.4%     208.4   190.8
36  9/8      118.56    -8.8%      92.98    -9.9%      25.58   -4.5%    21.6%      47.6   189.3
35  9/1      144.44    20.3%     107.25     5.3%      37.19  103.6%    25.7%     252.7    65.6
34  8/25     143.76    31.4%     105.81    15.3%      37.95  115.6%    26.4%     105.3    12.6
33  8/18     147.22    17.3%     108.08     5.7%      39.64   67.7%    26.8%     411.4   100.8
32  8/11     114.70    -7.0%      85.79   -13.8%      28.91   21.3%    25.2%     216.1   118.2
31  8/4       93.41   -33.4%      75.78   -32.4%      17.63  -37.3%    18.9%       0.6   189.8
30  7/28      94.17   -14.4%      74.35   -17.6%      19.82    0.4%    21.0%      18.5    56.8
29  7/21     103.79   -14.7%      80.67   -18.0%      23.12   -0.9%    22.3%      87.8    88.3
28  7/14     104.61   -12.5%      82.94   -13.7%      21.67   -7.4%    20.7%      57.9   267.8
27  7/7      107.12     0.7%      84.85    -1.2%      22.28    8.6%    20.8%       0.3     5.1

Q2 DEG      1674.15    -7.1%    1263.83   -10.1%     410.32    3.4%    24.5%
Q2 HMM      1631.18    -9.9%    1227.87   -13.3%     403.51    2.5%    24.7%    2296.8  2322.3

26  6/30     122.48    -3.7%      91.23    -5.2%      31.25    0.9%    25.5%     342.2   102.3
25  6/23     114.86    -7.7%      87.39   -11.5%      27.47    6.8%    23.9%      97.5   205.4
24  6/16     160.13     5.6%     113.84    -1.9%      46.29   30.2%    28.9%     275.1   208.2
23  6/9      151.52    14.4%     105.51     1.2%      45.61   61.4%    30.2%     370.6   305.0
22  6/2      111.57    -6.5%      85.76   -11.7%      25.81   16.4%    23.1%      36.1    15.8
21  5/26     109.16    -5.2%      82.48   -10.8%      26.88   17.7%    24.6%     179.2   154.4
20  5/19     109.04    -3.6%      82.49   -11.1%      26.55   30.7%    24.3%     200.0    99.9
19  5/12     121.91     8.4%      92.63     1.6%      29.28   37.8%    24.0%     187.4   155.6
18  5/5      107.56   -11.5%      84.66   -14.4%      22.90    1.5%    21.3%     104.9   148.6
17  4/28     103.68    -4.1%      78.66   -10.5%      25.02   23.5%    24.1%      67.6     0.0
16  4/21     109.99   -50.1%      81.31   -53.3%      28.68  -38.1%    26.1%     231.7   184.9
15  4/14     107.78   -42.5%      85.63   -37.4%      22.15  -56.2%    20.6%      51.3   314.8
14  4/7      201.90    13.9%     156.28    20.0%      45.62   -3.0%    22.6%     153.2   427.4

Q1 DEG      2060.00    -0.4%    1559.39    -6.1%     500.61   23.0%    24.3%
Q1 HMM      2010.88    -1.2%    1531.78    -6.6%     479.10   20.9%    23.8%    2394.7  2136.4

13  3/31     155.29   -19.9%     120.32   -17.4%      34.98  -27.6%    22.5%     168.6   319.2
12  3/24     148.56     8.5%     108.20    -2.8%      40.36   57.9%    27.2%     353.9   219.4
11  3/17     146.48     4.6%     112.13    -1.4%      34.34   30.2%    23.4%     276.1   154.2
10  3/10     165.27     9.5%     123.11     2.7%      42.16   35.7%    25.5%     216.0   177.1
9   3/3      150.39   -14.0%     115.29   -13.4%      35.10  -15.7%    23.3%      67.0   112.3
8   2/25     158.98    -2.2%     122.04    -7.3%      36.94   19.4%    23.2%     272.1   258.0
7   2/18     207.15    18.9%     160.38    10.4%      46.77   61.7%    22.6%      16.4    86.2
6   2/11     205.54    19.4%     151.09     3.1%      54.45  104.2%    26.5%     316.5   224.0
5   2/4      144.90    -8.6%     110.25   -16.0%      34.65   27.1%    23.9%     118.5    23.0
4   1/28     131.95   -13.6%      98.40   -20.2%      33.55   14.2%    25.4%     226.3   201.2
3   1/21     129.39    -2.4%     103.53    -4.9%      25.86    8.9%    20.0%     112.7    60.7
2   1/14     128.65    -5.1%     100.16    -7.7%      28.49    5.6%    22.1%     143.4   116.2
1   1/7      138.33    -8.0%     106.88   -11.6%      31.45    7.0%    22.7%     157.7   134.3

2011 DEG    8951.80   -13.2%    6851.80   -19.5%    2150.00   19.4%    24.0%    
2011 HMM    8604.20   -13.9%    6608.28   -20.3%    1995.92   17.7%    23.2%    9936.0 10820.9																			

Q4 DEG      3338.95   -11.0%    2464.81   -16.5%     924.14   15.5%    27.7%
Q4 HMM      3125.11   -12.4%    2280.75   -19.5%     844.36   15.1%    27.0%    3698.4  3932.2

52  12/31    174.13   -25.6%     130.29   -28.7%      43.84  -14.7%    25.2%      64.3    95.9
51  12/24    482.11   -13.1%     368.59   -16.9%     113.52    2.2%    23.5%     205.6   303.6
50  12/17    369.89   -23.4%     280.58   -26.8%      89.31  -10.1%    24.1%     360.7   635.3
49  12/10    322.48   -14.5%     243.85   -18.6%      78.63    1.5%    24.4%     624.8   535.6
48  12/3     229.49   -23.3%     173.97   -27.5%      55.52   -6.2%    24.2%     282.0   496.0
47  11/26    388.67   -12.4%     300.39   -16.5%      88.28    5.0%    22.7%     194.5   185.3
46  11/19    166.84   -14.3%     127.57   -18.0%      39.27    0.5%    23.5%      41.6   359.0
45  11/12    183.17     2.5%     128.95   -12.0%      54.22   68.3%    29.6%     422.9   251.3
44  11/5     167.53   -16.8%     117.59   -22.8%      49.94    2.0%    29.8%     335.6   414.9
43  10/29    147.15    11.2%      96.66   -11.3%      50.49  115.6%    33.6%     204.5   108.7
42  10/22    156.94     9.5%      95.94   -17.1%      61.00  120.8%    38.9%     370.0    56.0
41  10/15    152.92    -2.4%     106.50   -14.1%      46.42   42.2%    30.4%     343.3   233.0
40  10/8     183.79     9.3%     109.87    -9.4%      73.92   57.7%    40.2%     248.6   257.6

Q3 DEG      1742.79    -4.0%    1320.93   -14.7%     421.86   58.0%    24.2%
Q3 HMM      1667.09    -4.9%    1298.39   -13.9%     368.70   49.9%    22.1%    1806.3  1609.5										

39  10/1     152.58   -14.3%     109.97   -20.4%      42.61    7.1%    27.9%     352.1   382.7
38  9/24     153.60     5.0%     108.69   -12.5%      44.91  103.6%    29.2%     169.3   112.5
37  9/17     164.69    14.0%     107.37   -14.2%      57.32  197.2%    34.8%     190.8   165.2
36  9/10     128.84     0.0%     102.29   -10.5%      26.55   82.9%    20.6%     189.3    60.3
35  9/3      119.04    -9.5%     100.87   -13.7%      18.17   23.5%    15.3%      65.6    95.1
34  8/27     109.34   -13.1%      91.74   -16.6%      17.60   11.5%    16.1%      12.6    45.3
33  8/20     124.53    -4.4%     101.11   -12.8%      23.42   63.3%    18.8%     100.8    81.2
32  8/13     122.13    -1.8%      98.44    -9.5%      23.69   51.8%    19.4%     118.0   143.9
31  8/6      139.66     1.4%     111.78    -3.6%      27.88   27.9%    20.0%     189.8   133.5
30  7/30     108.78   -18.3%      89.06   -20.2%      19.72   -8.7%    18.1%      56.8   177.2
29  7/23     120.50    -1.9%      97.25    -9.4%      23.25   49.9%    19.3%      88.3    72.7
28  7/16     118.09    -4.8%      94.88   -13.5%      23.21   61.7%    19.7%     267.8    94.7
27  7/9      105.31   -16.7%      84.94   -22.7%      20.37   22.9%    19.3%       5.1    45.2										
		
Q2 DEG      1831      -15.0%    1434      -18.8%     397       9.4%    21.7%
Q2 HMM      1791.55   -12.2%    1402.94   -16.7%     388.61    9.1%    21.7%    2314.8  2422.0

26  7/2      127.11   -12.3%      96.32   -21.6%      30.79   39.4%    24.2%     102.3   181.4
25  6/25     123.25    -7.7%      98.18   -12.8%      25.07   20.1%    20.3%     205.4    85.8
24  6/18     149.89   -11.2%     114.68   -17.7%      35.21   19.5%    23.5%     208.2   142.8
23  6/11     130.81   -13.6%     103.23   -18.6%      27.58   12.3%    21.1%     305.0   152.6
22  6/4      118.16   -34.1%      96.17   -32.8%      21.99  -39.1%    18.6%      15.8   386.8
21  5/28     113.83   -16.6%      91.37   -22.9%      22.46   24.9%    19.7%     154.4    87.9
20  5/21     111.98   -15.2%      91.84   -18.9%      20.14    7.2%    18.0%      99.8   185.7
19  5/14     111.02   -23.6%      90.00   -26.8%      21.02   -6.2%    18.9%     155.6   113.6
18  5/7      122.05   -25.2%      99.74   -29.5%      22.31   -7.7%    18.3%     141.5   106.1
17  4/30     106.99   -40.6%      86.94   -39.6%      20.05  -44.5%    18.7%       0.0   120.5
16  4/23     217.30    -8.3%     171.47    -0.3%      45.83  -29.4%    21.1%     187.5   841.3
15  4/16     184.50    48.7%     134.40    24.8%      50.10  205.3%    27.2%     314.8     8.1
14  4/9      174.66    21.6%     128.60     5.9%      46.06  107.5%    26.5%     424.5     9.4
										
Q1 DEG      2068      -20.0%    1661      -25.0%     407      10.0%    19.7%		
Q1 HMM      2020.45   -23.2%    1626.20   -28.4%     394.25    9.4%    19.5%    2116.5  2857.2

13  4/2      192.11   -36.0%     144.16   -44.6%      47.95   20.1%    25.0%     300.9   461.1
12  3/26     135.54   -49.8%     110.21   -50.9%      25.33  -44.1%    18.7%     218.0   335.6
11  3/19     138.72   -46.5%     112.58   -49.6%      26.14  -27.1%    18.8%     154.2   534.3
10  3/12     146.96   -24.4%     116.11   -30.8%      30.85   16.5%    21.0%     177.0   247.2
9   3/5      174.59    -7.2%     132.93   -15.4%      41.66   34.1%    23.9%     112.3   258.8
8   2/26     160.96     4.5%     130.35    -2.5%      30.61   50.7%    19.0%     258.0    74.9
7   2/19     172.68    -8.1%     143.99   -12.7%      28.69   25.0%    16.6%      86.2    80.1
6   2/12     172.00   -19.4%     145.34   -23.1%      26.66    8.9%    15.5%     224.0   211.0
5   2/5      158.26   -16.7%     131.08   -20.8%      27.18   11.1%    17.2%      23.0   114.6
4   1/29     151.21   -14.6%     122.05   -20.9%      29.16   27.6%    19.3%     201.2   151.6
3   1/22     131.62   -16.3%     107.98   -21.0%      23.64   14.8%    18.0%      60.7    61.0
2   1/15     135.49   -17.3%     108.51   -23.9%      26.98   27.0%    19.9%     143.3   137.8
1   1/8      150.31   -14.1%     120.91   -19.5%      29.40   18.6%    19.6%     157.7   189.2

OD = optical disc (DVD + Blu-ray)
YoY = year over year percentage change
TBO = total box office
BD = Blu-ray

Are you going to keep updating the table as is for 2013? It's helpful to be able to look back at the 2011 weeks for comparison purposes.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by JerryDandridge

Are you going to keep updating the table as is for 2013? It's helpful to be able to look back at the 2011 weeks for comparison purposes.

I have no plans not to keep it up. Thanks for your interest, not very many people seem to care anymore about the weekly updates.

[morriscroy]

Originally Posted by bruceames

not very many people seem to care anymore about the weekly updates.

At this point, the hardcore fanatics/fanboys don't want to see the numbers anymore?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by morriscroy

At this point, the hardcore fanatics/fanboys don't want to see the numbers anymore?

Not sure. Not a whole lot of people followed them to begin with, and from there it just dwindled down to a handful of people (or maybe a few dozen across cyberspace). For most people who care, quarterly or yearly updates are sufficient. I wouldn't bother with the weekly HMM updates if they weren't reliable, but the quarterly totals (13 weeks of data added up) do seem to check out well with what the DEG reports and it's been that way for the last 2 years now.

The HMM data is even more desirable now that the DEG doesn't bother to break down DVD vs. BLu-ray sales.

[morriscroy]

(Inspired by a thread on another board).

Perhaps this shouldn't be too surprising anymore.

Noticed a few less popular new first time movie titles being released by Sony, are not being released on bluray in America.

March 12
- The First Time

March 5
- Ghost Storm
- A Dark Truth

Feb 19
- Lake Placid: The Final Chapter

Feb 12
- Kill For Me
- Robot and Frank
- Aladdin and the Death Lamp

Jan 22
- Abel's Field

Jan 15
- Talhotblond

Jan 8
- Now Is Good

Dec 18
- Blue Lagoon: The Awakening


If bluray was ubiquitous, then wouldn't Sony be releasing their less popular new movie titles on bluray too?

[bruceames]

Last I checked, Sony didn't have any new-to-Blu-ray catalogs scheduled for release in the US (or maybe it was another studio?).

Edit: just checked and indeed Sony has nothing planned for the US. Universal has Schlindler's List coming out in March, but that's it.

[morriscroy]

Originally Posted by bruceames

(or maybe it was another studio?).

IIRC, Mill Creek and Echo Bridge?

Both of those companies are releasing a huge batch of catalog stuff in March. (The new listings finally showed up). Some of them look like repackages.

[1stSilverado]

Originally Posted by morriscroy

(Inspired by a thread on another board).

Perhaps this shouldn't be too surprising anymore.

Noticed a few less popular new first time movie titles being released by Sony, are not being released on bluray in America.

March 12
- The First Time

March 5
- Ghost Storm
- A Dark Truth

Feb 19
- Lake Placid: The Final Chapter

Feb 12
- Kill For Me
- Robot and Frank
- Aladdin and the Death Lamp

Jan 22
- Abel's Field

Jan 15
- Talhotblond

Jan 8
- Now Is Good

Dec 18
- Blue Lagoon: The Awakening


If bluray was ubiquitous, then wouldn't Sony be releasing their less popular new movie titles on bluray too?

Does this mean that these movies are being released only on DVD in the U.S.?

[morriscroy]

Originally Posted by 1stSilverado

Does this mean that these movies are being released only on DVD in the U.S.?

At the moment, it appears so.

Robot and Frank is being released on bluray in other countries, except america.

[ThirdMan]

Those SONY films are dreck. Won't miss them if they're not released on Blu-ray.

I don't need Blu-ray to be "ubiquitous", I just want it for top catalog films and a good number of quality new releases. I'm thrilled to be able to see classic films such as The African Queen, The Red Shoes, Lawrence of Arabia, The Quiet Man, Singin' in the Rain, To Catch a Thief, All About Eve and Vertigo in 1080p (often restored) whenever I want to. Ditto for sci-fi films such as Forbidden Planet, 2001, Blade Runner, Alien, The Matrix, and fantasy/comic films such as Lord of the Rings, Avengers, Iron Man and The Dark Knight. Several studies have shown that theatrical prints display 600-700 lines of resolution, so I'm see better clarity than I would have experienced in the theater in most cases. As far as I'm concerned, I've already "won", whatever happens to blu-ray sales from here on out. I've purchased 50 blu-rays I want most (with another 50 or so still to come), and have rented another 180. As someone who grew up with 10 broadcast channels of TV and didn't even have a VCR until I was 18, I'm in movie heaven.

And if 4K can gain a foothold in the home video market, I'll be happy to purchase a 4K HDTV, and whatever 4K discs are released that can take advantage of the ultra-hi-def format (Lawrence of Arabia, Wizard of OZ and Baraka come to mind as films that have had a 4K transfer or better).

BTW, blu-ray had a nice rally at the end of 2012. Look at the last 7 weeks, and the first week of 2013 (chronologically from left to right, and then down).

[GizmoDVD]

Originally Posted by ThirdMan

BTW, blu-ray had a nice rally at the end of 2012. Look at the last 7 weeks, and the first week of 2013 (chronologically from left to right, and then down).

...and Blu-ray was up not even 10% YoY.

Very pathetic. But it's a dying format so.....

As for 4K....yeah, no. If Blu-ray is nearly dead you think 4K has a chance? Who is going to pay $40 for a "superbit" copt of The Other Guys?

[bruceames]

The "rally" was because Blu-ray Q4 releases were more top heavy in 2011 vs 2012 (the stronger releases were earlier in the quarter in 2011. That's why it was down the first six weeks of the quarter and also why it was up the last seven weeks. Bottom line though Q4 2012 was up only 3.5% while it was up 15.1% in 2011 (HMM).

The first week this year it's up mostly due to stronger carryover from December releases.

[morriscroy]

Passed by a supermarket earlier today, that I haven't been to in over a month.

The entire dvd/bluray section is gone. No more huge dump bins. Zilch.

[morriscroy]

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

As for 4K....yeah, no. If Blu-ray is nearly dead you think 4K has a chance? Who is going to pay $40 for a "superbit" copy of The Other Guys?

Heh.

Fake "4k" Sony movies being sold on bluray.

Indeed. "Superbit" all over again.


It seems like "superbit" was all advertising from the very start. The few "superbit" dvd titles I have, the movies don't even take up the entire dvd's disk space.

The few Sony dvd titles I've come across which take up the entire full capacity of a dvd's disc space, were titles like fullscreen version of Casino Royale from 2006. Though in the case of the fullscreen Casino Royale dvd, quite a lot of the dvd's disc space was taken up by deliberate bad sectors eating up huge chunks of consecutive sectors.


Most likely 4k "superbit" bluray will also tumble fast into the bargain bin too. (Not even brilliant marketing).

[SNMMUK]

Originally Posted by morriscroy

Heh.

Fake "4k" Sony movies being sold on bluray.

Indeed. "Superbit" all over again.


It seems like "superbit" was all advertising from the very start. The few "superbit" dvd titles I have, the movies don't even take up the entire dvd's disk space.

The few Sony dvd titles I've come across which take up the entire full capacity of a dvd's disc space, were titles like fullscreen version of Casino Royale from 2006. Though in the case of the fullscreen Casino Royale dvd, quite a lot of the dvd's disc space was taken up by deliberate bad sectors eating up huge chunks of consecutive sectors.


Most likely 4k "superbit" bluray will also tumble fast into the bargain bin too. (Not even brilliant marketing).

Future release formats will be carrier agnostic.

How the bits are delivered will be irrelevant, meaning that a physical carrier format will not be needed or developed.