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Old 03-07-2012, 08:39 PM   #1876
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Puss in Boots last week was 38.98% and this week dropped only to 38.66% in the Nielsen Videoscan first alert stats.

I do not remember seeing any drop that small recently for a major leading weekly title between week 1 and 2.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:55 PM   #1877
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If it was the shattered economy then OD sales would have improved last fall instead of declining a record 12% in Q4 as consumer holiday spending was well up from the prior year.

And if it is the economy then we would fully expect OD sell-through to rebound to previous levels as so does the economy. But that's not going to happen of course, because the economy is just a small part of why OD sales have plummeted to begin with (my guess is 10% of the reason).

No, it's not Blu-ray's "fault", but that still doesn't make it any less a failure. Even VHS was bringing in over $6 billion in sell-through alone during its heyday (quite a bit more when adjusted for inflation). Blu-ray will be lucky to peak at 1/2 of that.
You couldn't have said it any better Bruce!!!
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:08 PM   #1878
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Consumers were forced to tighten belts, and it did have an effect on the entertainment budget, but renting versus buying is the product itself and not the price.
There is little quality in movies which makes wasting $2 on a stinker easier to swallow rather than $20.
If a movie is worth watching, it will be purchased.
So you are saying that movies in general were better entertainment/quality from 1998 to 2006?

Consumers tightened their belts and turned to rentals versus purchases and over a period of time, their mindset changed. They realized that purchasing movies made little if any financial sense.
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:13 PM   #1879
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If it was the shattered economy then OD sales would have improved last fall instead of declining a record 12% in Q4 as consumer holiday spending was well up from the prior year.

And if it is the economy then we would fully expect OD sell-through to rebound to previous levels as so does the economy. But that's not going to happen of course, because the economy is just a small part of why OD sales have plummeted to begin with (my guess is 10% of the reason).

No, it's not Blu-ray's "fault", but that still doesn't make it any less a failure. Even VHS was bringing in over $6 billion in sell-through alone during its heyday (quite a bit more when adjusted for inflation). Blu-ray will be lucky to peak at 1/2 of that.
Again, it was the economy that changed how consumers dealt with acquiring their evenings entertainment. Buying movies has always been an impulse buy. Take away their extra income for 2 or 3 or even 4 years and they still can and do get their evenings entertainment - only now it costs $1.20 or $1.50 instead of $15 or $18.

BD was never going to set the world ablaze - why would it? It is an evolutionary format, where both VHS and DVD were revolutionary formats.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:07 PM   #1880
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The Lord of the Rings Trilogy showed up this week 100% Blu-ray share as #14 on the overall Top 20 Sellers (DVD+BD=OD) chart with 6.53% of the units of Puss in Boots.

LOTR EE BD also showed up in the #5 position on the dedicated Blu-ray Top 20 list with 16.33% of the Blu-ray units of Hugo.

I think it was on sale last week on Amazon and price matched elsewhere?

It was on sale at Walmart.com I'm not sure those counted.

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Old 03-07-2012, 11:30 PM   #1881
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37.79% Top 20 Sellers Blu-ray Unit Marketshare for the week.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:42 AM   #1882
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The new release Justice League: Doom was 61.64% Blu-ray unit marketshare share.






Week ending 03/04/12

Blu-ray unit marketshares:

61.64% Justice League: Doom
51.08% Hugo
38.66% Puss in Boots (last week 38.98%)


37.79% Top 20 Sellers Blu-ray Unit Marketshare for the week.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:45 AM   #1883
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Complete Historical Trend Slide Set as online PDF Week Ending 02/25/12

Complete Weekly Sales Report Slide Set as online PDF Weeks 02/25/12 and 03/04/12


you can right click and copy the individual slide URLs and insert them into a post if you want using the icon
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The new release Justice League: Doom was 61.64% Blu-ray unit marketshare share.






Week ending 03/04/12

Blu-ray unit marketshares:

61.64% Justice League: Doom
51.08% Hugo
38.66% Puss in Boots (last week 38.98%)


37.79% Top 20 Sellers Blu-ray Unit Marketshare for the week.
Could a big PS3 crowd have anything to do with that 61%? Nahhhh!
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Old 03-08-2012, 11:28 AM   #1885
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Again, it was the economy that changed how consumers dealt with acquiring their evenings entertainment. Buying movies has always been an impulse buy. Take away their extra income for 2 or 3 or even 4 years and they still can and do get their evenings entertainment - only now it costs $1.20 or $1.50 instead of $15 or $18.

BD was never going to set the world ablaze - why would it? It is an evolutionary format, where both VHS and DVD were revolutionary formats.
I'm sure the economy has a little part here. But I think it's so small that I'm not willing to use it to explain Blurays short comings. I think economy or not, Bluray or HDDVD would not have been as successful as some of us had thought. Including myself. I think we all over estimated the need of HD on disc by mainstream consumers. The only possible advantage I think HDDVD could have had was less consumer confusion and a cheaper startup cost. But I don't think that would even make up for DVDs being good enough for most people. Combine that with the HD availability of movies on TV and streaming? I think those things trump people's need to invest into an HD format. That alone people decided Eh! I'll just rent the movies instead. The economy just happened during the transition for most. This doesn't even touch on the fact that the a lot of people have moved to other forms of entertainment.
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If it was the shattered economy then OD sales would have improved last fall instead of declining a record 12% in Q4 as consumer holiday spending was well up from the prior year.

And if it is the economy then we would fully expect OD sell-through to rebound to previous levels as so does the economy. But that's not going to happen of course, because the economy is just a small part of why OD sales have plummeted to begin with (my guess is 10% of the reason).
That isnt really a valid assumption though is it. If I buy mcdonalds one day because KFC is too expensive, that doesnt automatically mean Ill go back to buying KFC when I have more money.

I dont think this should really be a discussion. Pawn shops thrive in a weak economy, libraries thrive in a weak economy. Rentals thrive in a weak economy. Its all about the cheaper alternative.

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That isnt really a valid assumption though is it. If I buy mcdonalds one day because KFC is too expensive, that doesnt automatically mean Ill go back to buying KFC when I have more money.

I dont think this should really be a discussion. Pawn shops thrive in a weak economy, libraries thrive in a weak economy. Rentals thrive in a weak economy.
Of course it's valid. Xmas shopping means gifts and spending was up last fall except on OD, which was down by a record amount. Rentals are really not a part of Xmas spending unless you buy someone a Netflix subscription or something.

I was comparing Q4 overall spending YoY to OD Q4 YoY to make a point, and you come back with something about rentals. That's not valid in the framework of my example.

There are many other reasons why OD is declining, of which several have had a greater effect than the economy.

I guess people can afford HDTVs, Ipads, smartphones and going to the movies, but not an OD disc, right? Are those cheaper alternatives?
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So you are saying that movies in general were better entertainment/quality from 1998 to 2006?

Consumers tightened their belts and turned to rentals versus purchases and over a period of time, their mindset changed. They realized that purchasing movies made little if any financial sense.
Generally, Yes.
Pirates, Spiderman, x-men, Saving Private Ryan to name a few good movies.
Add into that the excitement of collecting catalog on DVD (which is not carrying over to blu ray) and now we have thousands of excellent movies to rent or purchase.

if renting makes more financial sense, then logically we should see an increase in video store sales and growth.
However video stores are closing and sell through is declining, which points to the quality of product and lack of desire to buy the same catalog for the third or fourth time. Don't mix economy with apathy.
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I think what's missing in movies today is the star power. Not that many big names that people go see a movie just because so & so is in it. Maybe it's because studios are cutting back on the marketing expenses required to groom big names. Now people are doing their homework and seeing a movie only if it's known to be good or it's a genre that really appeals to them.
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I think what's missing in movies today is the star power. Not that many big names that people go see a movie just because so & so is in it. Maybe it's because studios are cutting back on the marketing expenses required to groom big names. Now people are doing their homework and seeing a movie only if it's known to be good or it's a genre that really appeals to them.
I think that's part of it. Another thing is I think Hollywood is running out ideas. They have been making movies for 100 years. And we keep getting rehashed ideas. We need some originality. But it needs it also include quality. there have been a lot of stinkers!
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