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Old 01-26-2011, 10:37 PM   #1
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Just rented RED blu ray from my nearest redbox and upon watching it, the only english track was simple dolby digital. Is this only the redbox edition?
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Just rented RED blu ray from my nearest redbox and upon watching it, the only english track was simple dolby digital. Is this only the redbox edition?
According to Cinema Squid, Red has a 5.1 master audio track. I can't imagine that Redbox has a different version....

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/m...ist?search=red
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They offered a few BD versions of Red. The "Special Edition" packaging overs the HD MA track. The barebones version (second one listed in your link Bruce) offers only 5.1, which I guess Redbox is distributing. I believe Target is selling the barebones version for $13.
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I have been unable to confirm differences in the "Regular" edition of RED and the Special edition,and the "Best-Buy" edition ?? other than the accompaniment of a comic and add. footage ?
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Ya, I found the "movie only" edition only had dolby digital 5.1 as well as lower bit rate video. Next time I'll check before renting. If DD is all I get for blu ray then I'll just rent the dvd and the industry can go to blazes.
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Ya, I found the "movie only" edition only had dolby digital 5.1 as well as lower bit rate video. Next time I'll check before renting. If DD is all I get for blu ray then I'll just rent the dvd and the industry can go to blazes.
That's very odd. I never heard of any multiple SKU release Blu-ray movie having different versions of primary audio, much less PQ.

I find that shocking and hard to believe.
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The Best Buy BD / DVD combo and the Special Edition BD both have DTS HD MA audio. The barebone BD edition only had 5.1.
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The Best Buy BD / DVD combo and the Special Edition BD both have DTS HD MA audio. The barebone BD edition only ha,d 5.1.
Wow. I can't believe that was deliberate. There is absolutely no reason to short change the audio track just because it's a "bares bones" release.

Edit: I was reading a little elsewhere on this and apparently it was done in order to fit it on a BD25 (while the other version is a BD50). Maybe they lowered the video bitrate as well.

In any case, it is shocking to say the least and now we all have to keep our eyes open for being subjected to more than one encode on multiple SKU movie releases, so that we don't buy one that is inferior because we wanted to save a couple of bucks.

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Wow. I can't believe that was deliberate. There is absolutely no reason to short change the audio track just because it's a "bares bones" release.

Edit: I was reading a little elsewhere on this and apparently it was done in order to fit it on a BD25 (while the other version is a BD50). Maybe they lowered the video bitrate as well.

In any case, it is shocking to say the least and now we all have to keep our eyes open for being subjected to more than one encode on multiple SKU movie releases, so that we don't buy one that is inferior because we wanted to save a couple of bucks.
I agree! I have been assuming it is a given that we would get a lossless audio track on everything at this point. The problem is Amazon often times just lists the same audio for BDs as they do for SD DVDs and do not list the audio on that particula BD title. I wish they would though as this could get harder to buy from them once I start getting burned by this new development.

I often buy the bare bones editions since I am not big on all those "making of ____" extras and listening to every actor/director/filmographer, etc etc all say what a joy it was working with everyone on the film. Blah blah! They all say mostly the same things only talking about the people they are working with on this particular film and will say the same about everyone on the next film as well as the one after that.
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I haven't heard of this being done before. It is obviously a cost cutting measure to make the barebones version as inexpensive as possible. It should be clearly stated on the case when this is done although just correctly listing audio codecs on the back cover meets the buyer beware caviat. The lower video bitrate needed to fit the encode on a 25GB disc if true is more troubling than using lossy audio in my opinion.

Could this be the shortage of BD50 discs I often read about here a few years ago instead of cost cutting? I would certainly rent this version rather than the DVD regardless.
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Ya, I found the "movie only" edition only had dolby digital 5.1 as well as lower bit rate video. Next time I'll check before renting. If DD is all I get for blu ray then I'll just rent the dvd and the industry can go to blazes.
Where did you find the claim that lower bit rate video was used? Of course the total bitrate will be lower if comparing encode with lossy audio to encode with lossless audio but someone would have had to compare video bitrates specifically to know this is true. I am very skeptical that claim is true and wouldn't repeat it without knowing for certain.
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Blu-ray statistics.com indicates AVC encode with average bitrate for the barebones edition at 25.779 Mbps.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/De...ed_25192091506

So far I haven't found that information on the SE so it may not be entered yet.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/De...ed_25192098369
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I agree! I have been assuming it is a given that we would get a lossless audio track on everything at this point. The problem is Amazon often times just lists the same audio for BDs as they do for SD DVDs and do not list the audio on that particula BD title. I wish they would though as this could get harder to buy from them once I start getting burned by this new development.

I often buy the bare bones editions since I am not big on all those "making of ____" extras and listening to every actor/director/filmographer, etc etc all say what a joy it was working with everyone on the film. Blah blah! They all say mostly the same things only talking about the people they are working with on this particular film and will say the same about everyone on the next film as well as the one after that.
I completely agree, as I too am someone who's not interested in all the "extra BS" I just want the movie presented at it's "Best" top quality picture and sound. Now I've got to deeply research all my "buys" before plunking down the bucks.
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The video bitrate for Red has been lowered as well. Per Cinemasquid specs:

Red SE: 28.02 Mbps video bitrate
Red movie only: 25.78 Mbps

I wouldn't think the difference is noticable, at least like it is on the audio side.

SE audio: DTS-HD Master audio 5.1 48/24 3998 kpbs
movie-only audio: DD 5.1 640 kbps

To me, this is really alarming, and although this was released by Summit, which is not a major studio, I hope this practice doesn't spread to the major studios.

What I fear is that they may start shortchanging rental copies (put them all on BD25s) to save money and to get more people to buy than rent once the word gets out that there are different PQ/AQ tiers for rentals and purchases.

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/m...Red+%282010%29
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Summit is one of the worst when it comes to Blu-ray and I am relatively certain that Sony, Warner, Disney, Fox, Universal, Lions Gate and Paramount are not going to follow their lead. Red isn't a minor release for Summit and I can understand that Summit needs it to sell well and make a good profit.
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