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Old 08-02-2009, 02:57 PM   #976
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Big price difference! And to muddy things even more, now there's a new G15 model!?!?! God only knows what the difference in PQ is over the G10. And even if the plasma gets a PQ edge for HD...don't LCDs handle standard DVDs better than plasma?
Why would it? Plasma tends to do lower resolutions BETTER than LCD.

It does look like in c-net's Juicebox tests the Panny G10 doesn't do so well in terms of power consumption. But I'd like to see some more real world tests. Plasma has it's highs and lows, where LCDs are consistant, with the exception of one model that I know of that is no longer in production. OLED might be a different story.

If you want to save on power, get a water heater isolation jacket if you don't already have one. That'll likely save you 5% on water heater power consumption, so maybe 1.25% off your electric bill.
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Big price difference! And to muddy things even more, now there's a new G15 model!?!?! God only knows what the difference in PQ is over the G10. And even if the plasma gets a PQ edge for HD...don't LCDs handle standard DVDs better than plasma? The LCD B650 has a contrast ratio of 1000,000:1, the G10 has 40,000:1...still sounds like the LCD has the edge. (It's certainly 100 lbs. lighter!)
Contrast ratios are BS from ALL HDTV mfg just like ink jet printer pages per minute are. Read the sticky about contrast ratios in this section to find out why.

Why You Should Ignore Contrast Ratio Specs:

Contrast ratios are the measuring of the difference between the brightest whites and the darkest blacks a display can do. If the blacks are poor but the whites are super bright, that will give better CR numbers ith the settings at the extremes but in typical lighting you couldn't leave the display with the ultra bright settings without hurting your eyes. Once you adjust the brightness to proper levels with no more white crush Where different shades of white can be seen) (think with snow, etc) and to levels that will not hurt your eyes you are left with a poor "range because you still have poor blacks which brings the range closer.

I can guaranty with real word that the plasma beats the LCD with "REAL WORLD" contract ratios. Heck, probably at least half the REAL WORLD contrast ratio of the LCDs is unusable unless you want to burn your eyes out in a dim room. Most of the CR for LCDs is by making the whites brighter to make up for the poor black levels. In normal home lighting you have to turn it way down to avoid hurting your eyes. That still leaves the poorer black levels though, so REAL WORLD contrast ratios are closer to around 1,000:1 for most LCDs (except LED backlit LCDs) while the Panasonic real world contrast ratios are about 4,000:1.

This is probably the most important aspect of PQ and WHY plasmas beat LCDs when pro reviewers compare them, and their measurements show the numbers I am posting. As far as energy costs, there is hardly any unless you spend much more for a LED based LCD, and then the viewing angles get even worse with these models even compared to convential LCDs, so you wouldn't possibly save enough on electricity even with the higher cost LED models over the life of the display. Power is truly a non issue at this point.

So you are left with plasmas having better PQ overall, better black levels/contrast ratios, better color saturation, much better viewing angles, much better motion lines of resolution, longer life cycle ratings, and all at a cheaper price.

This is WHY I say unless you plan on putting the display in a sun room with no chance of blocking the sun at all (and watch mostly in the daytime), and/or if you plan to use it for more than 5-10% of the time as your computer monitor, then plasma gives you better PQ at a lower price. Forget everything you heard about the two techs, especially if aquired from TV salesmen or mfg, and look for the true facts about them both. Better to base a decision of facts rather than repeatedly stated misinformation & outright myths/lies.

I own both so it is not like I am trying to justify what "I" bought here. Whenever possible at this point I am replacing LCDs with plasmas when I am getting a size that plasmas come in.

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Old 08-02-2009, 08:38 PM   #978
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Damn. Looks like I may have to look at the G15. I've seen very few sets in the price range with a picture as good as the B650...but I'll be taking a closer look at the Panny this Tuesday. (ECTV has a terrific price on it, although that may change this week.) If the image of the set (and the price) hold up, I may have no choice but to go that route. Just wish the plasma didn't weigh nearly 150 lbs.!! (According to Amazon...though that sounds like an error to me) The LCD I could easily lift and maneuver myself!

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Damn. Looks like I may have to look at the G15. I've seen very few sets in the price range with a picture as good as the B650...but I'll be taking a closer look at the Panny this Tuesday. (ECTV has a terrific price on it, although that may change this week.) If the image of the set (and the price) hold up, I may have no choice but to go that route. Just wish the plasma didn't weigh nearly 150 lbs.!! (According to Amazon...though that sounds like an error to me) The LCD I could easily lift and maneuver myself!
Hey, as long as you're making an informed choice. However I think you are confusing shipping weight with TV weight.
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

They say 68lbs with stand 63.9 lbs without. A Toshiba 46rv530 would be about 64 with stand, 55 without. The ln46B650 would be 46 with stand, 32.6without.

So the g15 is a little heavy, but it's no 150lbs. Without a doubt this would make mounting it a two man job.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:32 PM   #980
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Thanks! I spoke with Jimmy a few times this morning and just confirmed my order. I'm extremely excited to see how this pans out - the price is almost too good to believe (I live in VA, no Fry's around).

If all is well, I'll be selling my one year old LN40A550 - I keep getting disgustingly low-balled on craigslist - what's wrong with those people???!

Whoa! I just got a call a few minutes ago from the shipping company saying they've got me scheduled for delivery tomorrow. That would be a turnaround time of 4 days from purchase to delivery. I was definitely expecting the top end of their 7-10 delivery range. Unfortunately I might have to go to work tomorrow and thus reschedule delivery :-/ Trying to get an answer from the client now...

In regards to my old TV, I decided to sell my LN40A550 to my cousin for half the price I bought it last year. I'd rather make family happy than deal with these cheap craigslisters that don't understand TV prices. I see older projection TV's going for a hundred under my asking price, and assholes are emailing me telling me to drop my price by half? Seriously? /rant
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:07 PM   #981
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Whoa! I just got a call a few minutes ago from the shipping company saying they've got me scheduled for delivery tomorrow. That would be a turnaround time of 4 days from purchase to delivery. I was definitely expecting the top end of their 7-10 delivery range. Unfortunately I might have to go to work tomorrow and thus reschedule delivery :-/ Trying to get an answer from the client now...

In regards to my old TV, I decided to sell my LN40A550 to my cousin for half the price I bought it last year. I'd rather make family happy than deal with these cheap craigslisters that don't understand TV prices. I see older projection TV's going for a hundred under my asking price, and assholes are emailing me telling me to drop my price by half? Seriously? /rant
Can you take some pics when it's delivered? Only one customer showed some pics of his tv delivery so far. If there's so many happy customers out there that want to defend this company then they should have no problem taking some pics when the tv is delivered or even now if you've had the tv for a while.
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To those who disagreed with my comments are all not knowledgeable about electronics. First of all, my comment regarding working for Crazy Eddie's was just to state that I worked in the audio world. I was the only honest person in that company. I left the company as soon as Eddie Antar announced that the company was going to have profit sharing. It was just a job.

Regarding 2% discount, that is strictly a savings if you pay cash.

I am a Costco member since they opened their warehouse in Nanuet, NY.
I returned a monitor which was quite a number of years old and got a full refund.
Shortly thereafter they changed the return policy to 90 days on TVs and computers. People were abusing the return policy.

At the age of 57 years old, I don't believe you have the knowledge or technical background of myself.

When you comment to someone, be sure to know your facts.

As I previously indicated, East Coast TVs is an excellent source and very legitimate company to do business with. Costco does not even come close to their prices. I am at Costco weekly and like them very much and trust them also.

Price is only part of the equation. Once you know what you want to buy,
you can then find out the lowest price and buy from the best legimitate source.
I carefully checked out East Coast TVs before purchasing from them. I am going to spend $2500.00 to give to a crook. Wake up and smell the roses!

I am an owner of a Purchasing Service and sell products overseas. I purchase from Newegg, PC Connection, Amazon, etc. etc. I know most of all the companies out there.

Remember one last thing, we agree to disagree!!!!
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:50 PM   #983
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You said that, not me! And that is your decision. If you keep going the Monster Cable route, you will give more than $2500 to a crook!



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To those who disagreed with my comments are all not knowledgeable about electronics. First of all, my comment regarding working for Crazy Eddie's was just to state that I worked in the audio world.
There are smart people who work retail, but working retail in itself is not a credential. It was the Monster Cable that threw me for a loop. In the analog age, their cables were better than average, and spending $50~$100 on all your cables wasn't horrible in an age before the net when you had to comb mail order catalogs to find other better than average cables.

In the analog world the "weakest link in the chain" is somewhat true since no cable will provide 100% signal with no loss and no interference from anything, esp that horrible CRT horizontal frequency. Digital world? This does not apply since it would take a ton of interference, or massive length, to degrade a signal so it's unusable. Monster is a total scam. They "might" be better than average, but anything tested to conform to 1.3 HDMI standards is going to be 100% for 1080P. At over $100 they won't provide you with deeper color, improve image resolution or definition, or do anything but sit there and look pretty. For resolutions beyond 1080P, we have dual link cables, which near as I'm aware monster doesn't offer in HDMI.

You "might" need something better than a $3.00 HDMI cable if you've got a ton of interference, like if you run a hair dryer or a 240v motor next to your AV gear.

These days, for analog patch cables, there are a plethora of companies that will supply "good" cables for a fraction of Monster's prices. And I'm sure there are solutions better than Monster.

For speaker interconnects, there is NO reason to even consider Monster. Go 14 gage lamp cord, or hell, coat hangers.

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As I previously indicated, East Coast TVs is an excellent source and very legitimate company to do business with. Costco does not even come close to their prices. I am at Costco weekly and like them very much and trust them also.
They "kind of" do on some sets. ECTV says Costco doesn't have enough selection to be a competitor. I had the choice of going Newegg or Costco for my set. Given 90 days refund/return, and an extra year warranty, even if the cost was a little more it was worth it IMHO.

A 7 day return policy and covering double shipping plus 10% for a non-defective return is something to make note of. If I wanted to return my set, Costco doesn't change me for shipping.
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To those who disagreed with my comments are all not knowledgeable about electronics.

At the age of 57 years old, I don't believe you have the knowledge or technical background of myself.
What are you saying, 57 YO makes you more knowledgeable than others here, I don't think so it just makes you older, period, followed by !!
Your mention of munster cable shows me just how smart you really are, but it will be alright , now that your here you can learn like the rest of us regular folk .
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I've been watching plasma tv prices for a few weeks now. Settled in on the Panasonic Plasma TC-P50G10. I found an outstanding price on East Coast TV's $1,212.00. Figured I would find lousy reviews as I typically do when a deal looks too good to be true. When I was searching around I found very good reviews on East Coast TV's and then found this thread. I read through some of it and the post and reviews convinced me that East Coast TV's is reputable and trustworthy from what I have read. I have purchased HD TV's from NewEgg and Tigerdirect in the past and gotten good results. I am feeling confident that East Coast TV's can deliver the same level of standards and reliability. I also like the fact that East Coast TV's posted in this thread as well and seemed very honest and professional in that post. I just purchased the Panasonic Plasma TC-P50G10 a few minutes ago - I always get very nervous after I make a purchase like this. Got it for the $1212.00 w/White Glove Free Shipping. They had a 2% discount if I payed cash, bank check of money order at time of delivery but I get 1% on my credit card so I went with the credit card with the added security. Thanks for the posts - hopefully I'll be ready for football season soon.
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To those who disagreed with my comments are all not knowledgeable about electronics. First of all, my comment regarding working for Crazy Eddie's was just to state that I worked in the audio world. I was the only honest person in that company. I left the company as soon as Eddie Antar announced that the company was going to have profit sharing. It was just a job.
So if someone doesn't agree with you they know nothing.
For the second highlighted part see below.

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Regarding 2% discount, that is strictly a savings if you pay cash.

I am a Costco member since they opened their warehouse in Nanuet, NY.
I returned a monitor which was quite a number of years old and got a full refund.
Shortly thereafter they changed the return policy to 90 days on TVs and computers. People were abusing the return policy.
Including YOU so it kind of takes something away from the above quote now doesn't it?

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At the age of 57 years old, I don't believe you have the knowledge or technical background of myself.

When you comment to someone, be sure to know your facts.
Ditto

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As I previously indicated, East Coast TVs is an excellent source and very legitimate company to do business with. Costco does not even come close to their prices. I am at Costco weekly and like them very much and trust them also.
So because YOU bought one item from them that is all ANYONE else needs to know?

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Price is only part of the equation. Once you know what you want to buy,
you can then find out the lowest price and buy from the best legimitate source.
I carefully checked out East Coast TVs before purchasing from them. I am going to spend $2500.00 to give to a crook. Wake up and smell the roses!
People try to buy things from "crooks" all the time or else all the crooks would be out of business. That doesn't appear to be the case though does it?

I am not saying that ECTV is a crook either but your post doesn't show anything other than YOU had a good experience with your single purchase. I am happy for you and glad you got what you wanted at the price you wanted to spend.

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I am an owner of a Purchasing Service and sell products overseas. I purchase from Newegg, PC Connection, Amazon, etc. etc. I know most of all the companies out there.

Remember one last thing, we agree to disagree!!!!
I have bought from everyone of those retailers myself. So what?

I agree with the last line however, that last line doesn't jive with your first line says now does it?
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You said that, not me! And that is your decision. If you keep going the Monster Cable route, you will give more than $2500 to a crook!



This was a typo. It should have read:
I am not going to spend $2500.00 to give to a crook.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

As for Monster Cables, I originally purchased the Monster Cable M1000HD for around $80.00. It sells in the stores for a hell of a lot
more. I am a reseller and have access to excellent prices. However,
many items can be purchased cheap on Ebay. You first need to know
what you want, then find pricing afterwards.

I have now purchased this cable for $24. That's a steal and have just
purchased 3 more.

I definitely agree paying several hundred dollars for Monster Cable is not worth it, but for $24 how can you go wrong.

I have purchased cheap HDMI cables for $20 and few others for a little more. None of which come close to the M1000HD.

If you purchase a Ferrari, you don't use regular gas.
Decide if you want quality or are you purchasing strictly on price alone.

Listen, if you are stubborn and want to spend more money than you need to, be my guest. I will give you a good price on the Brooklyn Bridge.

It is just becomes a matter as to how much a seller wants to make. One also needs to consider if the seller is inventorying goods which is costly which adds to the selling price.

I have been in business for 30+ years. You don't stay in business unless you know what you are doing. My customers are well versed on the Internet and know how to find low pricing. I have to be one step ahead of them.

What I did not mention and is very important is that in order to remain in business you need to give more than just good pricing. It is the service after the sale that is very important. You must take care of your customer as word of mouth can help or destroy your business.
It is also important to buy from a company that you trust. If I remember correctly, we still live in a free country and not in Russia.
That's why you can buy from whomever you want.

Unfortunately, East Coast TVs does not carry the same weight as Newegg or Amazon etc. Maybe it will at some later date. Time will tell.

You don't need Costco's 90 day return policy if you are purchasing the right product. This is for people who have no idea what to buy, so they want to try it literally for free for 90 days.

Regarding the old monitor returned to Costco, if they have a lifetime return policy then you can return an item at anytime for any reason. They had no problem in accepting the old monitor for a full refund since it fell into the return policy. However, it seems that many people took excessive advantage of the policy and Costco was now going to loose money. Therefore change of policy. They don't want you to return a 55" flat screen in a few years for a new tv just because technology changes so quickly. The item you intend to purchase should be well manufactured to last many years. Don't buy garage. If it breaks within 90 days, it is probably "B", "gray" or refurbished goods.

It makes no difference to me if you don't want to purchase from East Coast TVs as I am not an owner or receive any money for recommending them. I am just a very satisfied customer just trying to help the unknowledgeable people who want to get good pricing.

Only those who have done their homework will probably buy from East Coast TVs. If they find a lower price, they will probably buy elsewhere.

Good luck to you all!

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Maybe you should click on that "The Cable Game" link in my signature.

there is lots to be learned about these cables and Monster is no better than a $5.00 quality HDMI cable from www.monoprice.com, so even at $24.00 you overpaid. We are talking about digital signals here and not analog signals so with error correction that digital has, there will be zero difference. If you find Monster cables online for $24.00 they are possibly conterfeit cables and then you are paying $24.00 for a quality $5.00 cable which is all you need for HDMi anyway, but you overpaid for it. ;

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