Getting a hd dvd on blu ray

oleviarules · 07-05-2007, 03:27 AM

first off, i just want you to know my technical knowledge on how hd players work is minimal at best. also, what i'm about to discuss can be considered illegal. it is more of a hypothetical or "is it possible" question.

let's say i have a large hd dvd collection, and down the road blu ray wins. now that blu ray is the winner, drives are cheaper, including drives that write blu ray discs. i have noticed that movies are often encoded in formats that are used by both players (VC-1, MPEG 2). would it be possible, theoretically of course, to be able to decrypt an hd dvd (assuming all the protection is broken) onto my pc, take out the VC-1 video file, get the audio as well, and burn it onto a blank blu ray so that it is readable on a standard blu ray player?

so would this be possible?

handsheldhigh · 07-05-2007, 05:26 AM

technically i suppose it is possible to extract all the video content and burn it to a blu ray disc (although considerably time consuming and expensive at the moment) but i dont believe it would be possible to keep the menus, etc in tact. but then again, i dont see why youd need to, since you arent going to just throw away your expensive hd dvd player when blu ray eventually wins...

Chris Gerhard · 07-05-2007, 05:52 AM

Just keep the HD DVD player and HD DVD discs is my recommendation. I believe based on reading the DMCA that any method to defeat digital copy protection with HD DVD is a crime and not worth the risk. There are no provisions in the law for an exception for HD DVD. I am just going to keep my HD DVD player and few discs if we are fortunate enough to see an end to the lunacy of having HD DVD.

Chris

oleviarules · 07-05-2007, 12:11 PM

i would of course keep everything if it happens, it really just was a "would it be possible" question. on all the very simple comparison articles, they make it clear that the two formats are not compatible, yet i began noticing that the video encoding and audio tracks were the same. i was just curious if what they meant by "not compatible" was just on the surface, but if it would be possible to jump through some hoops to get it to work.

Super XP · 08-16-2007, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oleviarules

first off, i just want you to know my technical knowledge on how hd players work is minimal at best. also, what i'm about to discuss can be considered illegal. it is more of a hypothetical or "is it possible" question.

let's say i have a large hd dvd collection, and down the road blu ray wins. now that blu ray is the winner, drives are cheaper, including drives that write blu ray discs. i have noticed that movies are often encoded in formats that are used by both players (VC-1, MPEG 2). would it be possible, theoretically of course, to be able to decrypt an hd dvd (assuming all the protection is broken) onto my pc, take out the VC-1 video file, get the audio as well, and burn it onto a blank blu ray so that it is readable on a standard blu ray player?

so would this be possible?

If Blu-Ray or HD DVD ever win, HD drives will go thought the roof in price. This is why competition is great for driving prices down.

Chris Gerhard · 08-17-2007, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

If Blu-Ray or HD DVD ever win, HD drives will go thought the roof in price. This is why competition is great for driving prices down.

Wow, just like CDRom drives and 3.5" floppy drives (a Sony developed drive)? Those things are really sky high? You must have a competing format to insure competition and low prices? Don't you think only one format and every company building drives with all of the economies of scale and all of the competition that brings, beats competing formats? Just look at the success of the single format uses, like CD and DVD and the low prices and great competition.

You guys that promote the format war as being the cause of competition just don't get it. If Toshiba had built great Blu-ray players at a great price, things would be ten times better than they are now. You are so far out in left field, I don't know why I bothered to respond.

Chris

oblioman · 08-17-2007, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Wow, just like CDRom drives and 3.5" floppy drives (a Sony developed drive)? Those things are really sky high? You must have a competing format to insure competition and low prices? Don't you think only one format and every company building drives with all of the economies of scale and all of the competition that brings, beats competing formats? Just look at the success of the single format uses, like CD and DVD and the low prices and great competition.

You guys that promote the format war as being the cause of competition just don't get it. If Toshiba had built great Blu-ray players at a great price, things would be ten times better than they are now. You are so far out in left field, I don't know why I bothered to respond.

Chris

Chris,,,Chris,,,you been drinking? That be me job. These kids be after info on how to illegally copy from one format to another. Big no-no on this fine forum. Sphank them with your knowledge.

macosxguy · 08-18-2007, 05:50 AM

If you have a look at the structure file on the disc on a computer. You will find that they are very similar. What would need to be done is a ripping of the content from one disc and using a special program to return it to another disc. The possibility is surely there. With current PC content you can even rip a disc (either format) and watch the movie on the computer. So all that is missing is a program that will return the movie to the new format and possibly do some rendering for compatibility. It is really not an option right now but I am certain there are hackers right now working on this issue.

IlovemesomeHD · 08-18-2007, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

You guys that promote the format war as being the cause of competition just don't get it. If Toshiba had built great Blu-ray players at a great price, things would be ten times better than they are now. You are so far out in left field, I don't know why I bothered to respond.

Chris

Or perhaps $ony is to blame
after all they are the same ones who brought Betamax to the world

how'd that work out?

Type A · 08-18-2007, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super XP

If Blu-Ray or HD DVD ever win, HD drives will go thought the roof in price. This is why competition is great for driving prices down.

Huh? How old were you when betamax was in stores?

sam9007 · 11-27-2007, 08:51 PM

Dont worry if you dont buy blu ray they wont win anyways they are losing for good.

07-05-2007, 03:27 AM	#1
oleviarules High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 655	Getting a hd dvd on blu ray first off, i just want you to know my technical knowledge on how hd players work is minimal at best. also, what i'm about to discuss can be considered illegal. it is more of a hypothetical or "is it possible" question. let's say i have a large hd dvd collection, and down the road blu ray wins. now that blu ray is the winner, drives are cheaper, including drives that write blu ray discs. i have noticed that movies are often encoded in formats that are used by both players (VC-1, MPEG 2). would it be possible, theoretically of course, to be able to decrypt an hd dvd (assuming all the protection is broken) onto my pc, take out the VC-1 video file, get the audio as well, and burn it onto a blank blu ray so that it is readable on a standard blu ray player? so would this be possible? __________________ Olevia LT26HVX 26" LCD TV Xbox 360 Premium HD DVD add on Logitech Z-5500 5.1 surround Gamecube Currently Playing: Call of Duty 4, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (for the 5th time?). OoT ROM + PJ64 + 360 wired controller + Laptop hooked up to tv/speakers = awesome

07-05-2007, 12:11 PM	#4
oleviarules High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 655	i would of course keep everything if it happens, it really just was a "would it be possible" question. on all the very simple comparison articles, they make it clear that the two formats are not compatible, yet i began noticing that the video encoding and audio tracks were the same. i was just curious if what they meant by "not compatible" was just on the surface, but if it would be possible to jump through some hoops to get it to work. __________________ Olevia LT26HVX 26" LCD TV Xbox 360 Premium HD DVD add on Logitech Z-5500 5.1 surround Gamecube Currently Playing: Call of Duty 4, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (for the 5th time?). OoT ROM + PJ64 + 360 wired controller + Laptop hooked up to tv/speakers = awesome

08-18-2007, 05:50 AM	#8
macosxguy Dual Format Supporter. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: UK, Surrey Age: 31 Posts: 45	Of course it is possible. If you have a look at the structure file on the disc on a computer. You will find that they are very similar. What would need to be done is a ripping of the content from one disc and using a special program to return it to another disc. The possibility is surely there. With current PC content you can even rip a disc (either format) and watch the movie on the computer. So all that is missing is a program that will return the movie to the new format and possibly do some rendering for compatibility. It is really not an option right now but I am certain there are hackers right now working on this issue. __________________ Panasonic Plasma TH-42PX60B, Sony PS3 60Gb- US, 2 Xbox 360 Elite with HD DVD BD- 62, HD DVD- 68 2 Apple TV's /Sky HD+ Panasonic LCD TX-32LXD60A, Panasonic Home Theatre SS SC-HT855, Samsung BD-P1000, Mac Pro with 8-core Intel Xeon @ 3ghz each, ATI Radeon X1900 (512 Video), 2.5 Terabytes HDD, 5gigs memory, Panasonic Internal Blu-ray Burner, wireless / Vista Ultimate, 23" Apple Cinema Display 15" Glossy Apple MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33Ghz w/ Vista Ultimate

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11-27-2007, 08:51 PM	#11
sam9007 HD DVD is very nice. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 218	Dont worry if you dont buy blu ray they wont win anyways they are losing for good.