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Old 03-31-2005, 10:39 PM   #1
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I've just completed my first college film class and got a lot of intellectual crap under my belt. I'm ready to make my first Film. It will probably be a documentary due to the fact my friends can't act, and i'm only 19. Regardless i consider myself now an amateur, not another comsumer who wants to tape their kids soccer games. I'm looking for a good High Definition camcorder with solid features (ie. Low Light Capabilities, Good Manual Controls, Good Audio, Aspect Ratio Variation etc.) here's the catch, for around $2,000 (if im lucky). I'm through with lens caps and noisy zooms. I need some advice because the camcorder reviews on the internet are biased jokes.

If someone out there finds me the camcorder of my dreams, who knows, there might be a role for you in a soon to be blockbuster film!

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Old 04-05-2005, 07:25 PM   #2
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$2000? In your dreams, alright... things START at $3500...
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Old 04-06-2005, 04:50 PM   #3
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I've just completed my first college film class and got a lot of intellectual crap under my belt. I'm ready to make my first Film. It will probably be a documentary due to the fact my friends can't act, and i'm only 19. Regardless i consider myself now an amateur, not another comsumer who wants to tape their kids soccer games. I need some advice because the camcorder reviews on the internet are biased jokes.

Film not guarenteed to be a blockbuster and all actors will be paid with Saltine crackers.
Seems you have it all covered according to your post. You now know one College lesson's worth of intellectual crap, and are fully skilled enough to be considered an amateur, and as amateurs don't shoot footage of their kids playing soccer, you'll need a High Definition camcorder for under $2,000 - and from your experience in video/film, you can tell camcorder reviews on the net are biased jokes.....

I don't see why you'd want any advice...
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:10 PM   #4
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$2000? In your dreams, alright... things START at $3500...
i agree....especially if u want new with a warranty....
or you can always go to ebay or get a pal who will sell their hd camera...
or you can just write down HD on a plain old $300 camera and be happy with that...
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:52 PM   #5
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$2000? In your dreams, alright... things START at $3500...
Aren't you a genious!?!?! I hope you paid over 3500 for your cam, cause they're available on the net for 1500 now. So actually speaking, if the kid is asking for advice give him advice, if you don't have any then just STFU!
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:58 PM   #6
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Seems you have it all covered according to your post. You now know one College lesson's worth of intellectual crap, and are fully skilled enough to be considered an amateur, and as amateurs don't shoot footage of their kids playing soccer, you'll need a High Definition camcorder for under $2,000 - and from your experience in video/film, you can tell camcorder reviews on the net are biased jokes.....

I don't see why you'd want any advice...
Hey funny guy, I wouldn't want any advice from someone like you if I were the guy who started this thread.
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Old 04-08-2005, 11:02 PM   #7
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i agree....especially if u want new with a warranty....
or you can always go to ebay or get a pal who will sell their hd camera...
or you can just write down HD on a plain old $300 camera and be happy with that...

Alright you Proud HDTV owner... ever been to sony website??? Expanded warranty for 3 years with accidental protection is $250 bucks,
HDR-FX1 in certain online stores right now is $1400-1500. DO THE MATH.

You should write down Looser on your HDTV and be proud of that!!!
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Old 04-08-2005, 11:10 PM   #8
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If someone out there finds me the camcorder of my dreams, who knows, there might be a role for you in a soon to be blockbuster film!

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First of all what kind of a Fkn comment is that. lol
Second of all try these:

http://www.amphotoworld.com/product....CFADDFOIOCGAHA
http://usaphotonation.com/products.a...=&show=acc#box
http://www.digitalsaver.com/stores.asp?productid=HDRFX1

I'm not sure how legit those stores are but I've seen their ads in magazines, so it should be alright, you could pay with credit card, worst case scenario put a stop payment on it. But i'm pretty sure they're good. When you talk to them ask them whether it's international model or a US and if it's pal or ntsc. The advertised prices seem to be mostly for models shipped from outside the US. And ask about accessories, I believe international models don't come with those, but i'm sure you could still fit into your 2000 budget.

Sony has warranty for $250 for 3 years.

Whatever, do the research.
As it seems most people on the forums are just D---icks! So dont take their word even if you get one. Research so you can only blame yourself.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:13 PM   #9
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A price that is one third of what BB sells it for may just be too good to be true... I'd be careful...

Uh, it's spelled genius, not genious... so KMA.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:43 PM   #10
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Whatever, do the research.
As it seems most people on the forums are just D---icks! So dont take their word even if you get one. Research so you can only blame yourself.
Which is what Dockumentreees should have done in the first place......

One has too wonder how well you know Dockumentreees. You've certainly taken the responses to his post very personally. I hope you can do the further research for him on the cost of the essential supplementary items for any currently available HDV camcorder.

He'll be very grateful that you've done his research for him.
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:32 PM   #11
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A price that is one third of what BB sells it for may just be too good to be true... I'd be careful...
Nothing too good to be true about that, the company is getting cheaper models from overseas, and they're selling just the camera body, When you buy the US models, they come with many accessories, or not many, but whatever accessories they come with they add that extra 500-1000. On the other hand, I was looking for XL2 and on one site I found it for 700, I'm not sure wtf they have for 700 but that is def. something fishy.

http://resellerratings.shopping.com/xPC-Canon_XL2~PG-2
especially after reading the reviews for that seller, it's a no-no

but someone like amphotoworld.com I have less concerns about. In any case no matter who I buy it from I'm still worried, but I'm not about to spend over 3000, I'd rather risk 1500 then waste 1500


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Uh, it's spelled genius, not genious... so KMA.

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Old 04-10-2005, 11:37 PM   #12
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Which is what Dockumentreees should have done in the first place......

One has too wonder how well you know Dockumentreees. You've certainly taken the responses to his post very personally. I hope you can do the further research for him on the cost of the essential supplementary items for any currently available HDV camcorder.

He'll be very grateful that you've done his research for him.
One does not need to wonder... I don't know him. Nothing personal, it just pisses me off when someone needs help and people can help but instead just post useless comments.

I'm sure he's doing the research, I just posted some info which I just did for myself because I'm about to buy one myself. Btw, I saw some of your responses on other threads and they were quite informative compared to the ones in this thread, One has to wonder why?
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Old 04-11-2005, 03:48 AM   #13
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Btw, I saw some of your responses on other threads and they were quite informative compared to the ones in this thread, One has to wonder why?
I don't mind replying to posts that are obviously from those who have the desire to expand their knowledge and experience. After nearly 18 months of using HDV camcorders, and nearly all the NLE and HD/HDV capable software for PC - and nearly 3 years of enjoying High Definition video, I still have a lot to learn myself... and I read as many posts from as many boards dealing with HDV as I possibly can in order to increase my own understanding of what's available and possible.

That reading I've done of posts from other HDV boards, leads me to offer the observation that a number of JVC HD10u buyers were 'bitten' very badly by some of the 'unbelievable deal' stores. A number of posts indicated that while the 'bare-bones' camera was exceedingly cheap, the deals 'trapped' the buyers into paying excessive amounts for what seem like accessories, but in actual fact are essential items, such as component cables, batteries, power leads...etc. These items are generally manufactured specifically for that model camcorder, and aren't easy to come by elsewhere.

In the FX-1's case, be certain that at the very least, the power lead, component cable, A/V cable, remote controller, large eyecup, shoulder strap and battery are supplied. While you can pick up a genuine Info-lithium (or Info-lithium compatible) battery elsewhere, they aren't so readily available that you can just duck down to the corner store to get one (unless you are really lucky to live near such a store).

Things like the firewire cable you'll have to get anyway, but anything less than what Sony packs as essential to get the camera useable may be the sign that something is not right.

I hope you do manage to get the FX-1, as it's a much better camcorder than the HD10u in so many ways.

Enjoy.
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Old 04-12-2005, 12:31 PM   #14
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That reading I've done of posts from other HDV boards, leads me to offer the observation that a number of JVC HD10u buyers were 'bitten' very badly by some of the 'unbelievable deal' stores. A number of posts indicated that while the 'bare-bones' camera was exceedingly cheap, the deals 'trapped' the buyers into paying excessive amounts for what seem like accessories, but in actual fact are essential items, such as component cables, batteries, power leads...etc. These items are generally manufactured specifically for that model camcorder, and aren't easy to come by elsewhere.

In the FX-1's case, be certain that at the very least, the power lead, component cable, A/V cable, remote controller, large eyecup, shoulder strap and battery are supplied. While you can pick up a genuine Info-lithium (or Info-lithium compatible) battery elsewhere, they aren't so readily available that you can just duck down to the corner store to get one (unless you are really lucky to live near such a store).

Things like the firewire cable you'll have to get anyway, but anything less than what Sony packs as essential to get the camera useable may be the sign that something is not right.

I hope you do manage to get the FX-1, as it's a much better camcorder than the HD10u in so many ways.

Enjoy.


Well about those online stores I've managed to read plenty of reviews recently and most of those stores do suck. The matter of fact is if you don't have the cash and willing to risk to get it for a cheap price, it might be worth it in the end.

My plan for FX1 was to get the body from those stores and everything else directly from sony, but now i'm deciding to go with canon xl2, the damn lenses are expensive
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:02 PM   #15
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Second of all try these:

http://www.amphotoworld.com/product....CFADDFOIOCGAHA
http://usaphotonation.com/products.a...=&show=acc#box
http://www.digitalsaver.com/stores.asp?productid=HDRFX1

I'm not sure how legit those stores are but I've seen their ads in magazines, so it should be alright, you could pay with credit card, worst case scenario put a stop payment on it. But i'm pretty sure they're good. When you talk to them ask them whether it's international model or a US and if it's pal or ntsc. The advertised prices seem to be mostly for models shipped from outside the US. And ask about accessories, I believe international models don't come with those, but i'm sure you could still fit into your 2000 budget.

Sony has warranty for $250 for 3 years.

Whatever, do the research.
! So dont take their word even if you get one. Research so you can only blame yourself.
I checked on those deals and found that the USA Photonation is a body only -(no lens-$1309) they call it an "import"- PAL? -they say the import has removable lens - The AM Photo says theirs has a lens -nonremovable - but AMPhoto now want $2109 (was $1329)- They say the complete "kit" is $2700 - according to SonyStyle.com the camera should include these accessories--(their price $3500)
----Supplied Accessories: AC-L15 Power Adaptor/ In Camera Charger, NP-F570 InfoLithium® Rechargeable Battery, RMT-831 Wireless Remote Commander® Remote Control, AA Battery, Lens Hood, Lens Cap, Multi A/V Cable, Component Video Cable, Cleaning Cassette, Shoe Adapter, Large Eye Cup, Shoulder Strap----
Their are also a couple of them listed used for less than $1000 on amazon but my emails from the the sellers sounded like they didn't exist - no product details and they only take "Western Union" (cash)

Does anyone know of a street price for the HVR-Z1 of about $3000? (with Lens)
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