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Old 08-01-2006, 09:16 AM   #1
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Hello everyone.

I’ve just had my first experience with HDTV: we bought a SONY HDR-HC3 (http://www./content...er-Review.htm), which records HD video. But I have a problem – I need to edit it on PC (minor editing like cutting and joining, adding custom sound or images into the corners of the screen). Could someone please advice me on how to transfer video from the camera to the PC (I guess ill need some hardware for this) and what program it is best to use (for it to be simple and contain only enough basic functions).

The camera has 3 video outs: 4pin firewire, HDTV (looks like USB), 6 pin component (3 normal wires white\red]yellow and 3 HD wires – blue\red\green).

Thanks for the help.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:49 AM   #2
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When you bought the camera there should have been some software that came with it. I would think it would be real messed up if they did not at least give you enough software to do some basic capture and editing functions. Check the paperwork and box for CDs. For what it sounds like you need to do I would stick with the free software that came with the camera since you already own it. You would be suprised at how good some of those programs will make your movies look. Plus if you are new to video editing then this stuff is usually simple and makes for a great way to break into the video editing club.

As a side note I really like Ulead Mediastudio pro for my capture and editing needs. Many professionals use Adobe Premiere but I found had a tough learning curve. Both programs are expensive. They have Adobe Premiere Elements or Ulead Videostudio for much cheaper and can accomplish much of the same results.
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Thanks IMpoor. But the one strange thing is that it came without any software. So i will probably stick with Ulead Mediastudio pro, since I used it once to make a DVD and i liked the style and simplicity.

P.S. Can you please tell me this. I have a laptop (P(m)1.5HZ, 512 ram) with a firewire port. If i get Ulead Mediastudio and connect the camera to the port - will it be enough to transfer video to laptop?
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I would assume a straight transfer would be no problem. I have not used HD but firewire is firewire so it does not make a difference if its HD content or not. Its just data transfer. If you are trying to encode it to a different format during the transfer then you may have trouble. Also I assume this file would be big so you would need plenty of hard drive space or an external hard drive. Editing and converting it will probably tax the system. You just have to try it out and see if it is ok for you to work with. Maybe make a 2-5 minute movie and run through some basic stuff before you download a full hour of content and try to work with that. Just don't plan on doing anything else on the computer at the same time. I love Ulead so I am glad to hear you are using it. However you may need to upgrade it to get the HD support. I was looking at their website after my first posting and it appears the latest version supports it but older versions might not. If you have a older version you might check to see if there is patch for HD support. Check the ulead sight to be sure.
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I'm running a dual-core Athlon, roughly 2 1/2 times your processor along with 2 gig of ram - and rendering video taxes my system. I strongly suggest at least doubling your ram. This will help in editing - but rendering is 100% processor so be prepared to walk away from your computer for hours and make sure you have some good cooling for your laptop. Your processor will cook at 100% for however long it takes to render.
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Old 08-05-2006, 07:49 PM   #6
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Thanks IMpoor. But the one strange thing is that it came without any software. So i will probably stick with Ulead Mediastudio pro, since I used it once to make a DVD and i liked the style and simplicity.

P.S. Can you please tell me this. I have a laptop (P(m)1.5HZ, 512 ram) with a firewire port. If i get Ulead Mediastudio and connect the camera to the port - will it be enough to transfer video to laptop?
I wasn't going to reply to this initially... Hoped that by now this info would have come from someone else on the forum. Sadly not one response that's truly authorative.

First: You must have WinXP Pro - Service Pack 2 installed. Sony camcorders have all been sold without supplied software, so trying to find any would be pointless. Bottom line is: if you are running XP with only Service Pack 1 installed you won't be able to capture HDV from your camera... so get Service Pack 2 installed.

Second: Capture utility. While Service Pack 2 allows the system to correctly identify your HDV camcorder once connected via firewire... you must have a piece of software that can correctly interpret the *.m2t video stream from the camera. That's the capture utility!
Not every editing program comes with a capture utility - or even one that knows how to interpret HDV.
So here's the first optional part of the path you can follow.
Free capture utilities: VLC and CapDVHS (there's another on I just can't accurately remember at the moment... something like HDV Split), will capture from HDV camcorders in differing ways (some actually allow extra capabilities - like full screen live preview on a WS laptop in VLC) and complexities. If you're a true newbee, steer clear of these until you're a much more adept computer and HDV user.
Purchaseable capture utilities: Apart from the capture utilities that come bundled in HDV capable NLE's, there's Cineform AspectHD or ConnectHD.
If you're serious about HDV production, and are concerned about the time it can take to edit HDV native m2t - you must seriously consider purchasing either AspectHD or ConnectHD. Why? Because by using Cineform's HDLink capture utility; you can capture to native *.m2t, as well as CFHD uncompressed intermediate format. CFHD's intermediate format allows much faster editing than is the case with native *.m2t! There's also frame rate conversion that is the best you'll find in any software that can handle HDV, and a whole raft of other advantages that I'm sure you can go and check Cineform's site about...

Now onto your hardware. You'd better have something with more grunt than your laptop?!

While you may be able to connect via firewire... the laptop's spec's are so low that you may not be able to capture anything other than junk onto it. Chances are the Hard Disk Drive isn't big enough or fast enough for a start...

To be certain of 'generally' error free HDV capture and editing, you need at least a P-IV 2.8Ghz HT CPU, 1Gig RAM and a 5,200rpm (7,200rpm preferred!!) HDD no smaller than 20Gig. Even 20Gig would only be possible with minimum software installed and small user defined swap file, as 60min of native HDV *.m2t is around the 13gig minimum range, and not realising how much extra hard disk space is needed to handle such file sizes and data levels is a common oversight.

I apologise for assuming that you don't have a large size HDTV... but I get the distinct impression that you don't own a HDTV of any description.

Do yourself the favour of trying your darndest to get a decently large (i.e. 32" or larger - not smaller!!) HDTV. While HDV will look better than DV level video on a computer monitor/screen; it's like stickin candy up your nose - until it goes where it's meant to go, you ain't getting the experience as it's designed to be enjoyed.

Have fun with your HC3!!

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... Hoped that by now this info would have come from someone else on the forum. Sadly not one response that's truly authorative....
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copy 1080 from sony fx1 ...The JVC DVHS deck is useless with the 25Mbit 1080i m2t from the Sony camcorders, so that's not an option.
Load XP SP2 onto one of your P-IV's if you haven't already done so, and get a hold of ConnectHD to use the HD-Link capture utility. (You can use CapDVHS or VLC which are free, but you'll need to do some mucking around to get them to work..whereas the HD-Link tool is pretty much one click stuff.)
Capture to Hard Drive....doesn't really matter about RPM if you're just archiving... only with editing does it really impact.
Write the raw m2t clips to DVD as data for back-up. You may need to use dual-layer, or split the m2t's on capture (use split on scene detection) if you think the file sizes will be too large.
If you have enough hard drive space, just use the hard drives for storage....until HD-DVD or Blu-Ray become available, and then you can write to either in HD rather than just writing the raw m2t files as data.... but if you just want archiving, there's no problem... despite some people freaking out about "how do I archive?"
I was googling for similar info and I found that post by you from a year and a half ago-- Is that still the same methodology you posted today here - or is this basically different -
Also - are there software conversions now for conversion HDV to the DVHS format - I read here Nero will convert HDV to 3x (Red laser) HD-DVD format - for playback in stand-alone HD-DVD players
and does VLC play the m2t HDV files you wrote to DVD as data in the other thread?
or just wishful thinking still or something like that -

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looks like the answer to my last post for anyone else interested is probably here AVS Forum > HDTV > HDTV Recorders
New Sony HDV Camcorder HDR-HC1 Info
also this post may have info that steve C referred to
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Originally Posted by Steve C ---Free capture utilities: VLC and CapDVHS (there's another on I just can't accurately remember at the moment... something like HDV Split),
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Originally Posted by timecop -- Or you can do it all for free with capdvhs, dgindex, avisynth, virtualdub, and various other free tools.
this site too - http://www.hdvinfo.net/

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I was googling for similar info and I found that post by you from a year and a half ago-- Is that still the same methodology you posted today here - or is this basically different -
Also - are there software conversions now for conversion HDV to the DVHS format - I read here Nero will convert HDV to 3x (Red laser) HD-DVD format - for playback in stand-alone HD-DVD players
and does VLC play the m2t HDV files you wrote to DVD as data in the other thread?
or just wishful thinking still or something like that -
Still the same "basic" methodolgy? Yes; although ConnectHD's HDLink capture utility has now got some pretty awesome frame rate controls that are superior to anything Vegas or Premiere Pro can manage on their own... Makes mixing 720p 30fps clips from my HD10u with 1080i 50fps clips from my FX-1e easier, smoother while giving a superior result where the final 720p 24fps product is seamless regardless of the source.

The reason the JVC DVHS deck would have been useless for 1080i Sony HDV is because it only accepts JVC's version of HDV which is 19.3Mbit 720p.

You could use the JVC deck for tasks like archiving of Sony HDV (or any 1080i) as long as a 720p version is created to write to tape.

There's no problem at all writing HDV to any tape deck - no software conversion required: apart from making sure the video being sent to the tape deck via the capture/write software utility is "compatible"... i.e. a 19.3Mbit 720p m2t video stream must be sent to a 19.3Mbit 720p m2t capable deck.

You can send a 19.3Mbit 720p m2t to a 1080i 25Mbit m2t capable deck, because the 1080i 25Mbit m2t deck has backwards compatability with the "earlier" format.
I can, for instance; play/capture a tape recorded with my 720p HD10u in my Sony FX-1e, but there's no way I can play a FX-1e tape in my HD10u.

I'm starting to see reports of various DVD Authoring software with added HD-DVD/Blu-Ray support... The only thing I'm a little wary of is, that there's no HD-DVD/Blu-Ray writers or disk blanks available. Making a definitive judgement without having the "Real McCoy" to judge by, could end up tantamount to sending some folks looking for a solution up an expensive creek without a paddle.

In the mean time, I've found no problem with writing m2t files to standard single layer and dual-layer DVD for archiving and viewing in un-edited form. I can watch these disks either on PC using VLC, or via the DVD drive in my Zensonic Z500 High Definition Network Media Player.

The thing to note is... a year or two ago, the ability to get edited HDV from a computer to a large screen HDTV were severely limited. The only real effective way was to write back to the HDV camcorder's tape deck via firewire.

Now there are many options available that can negate the need for HDV camcorder owners to "hold out for the winner in the HD disk format war".

While some people may have difficulty coping with the fact that there isn't a brochure outlining "the experts" opinion on what we all should or should not do: the freedom of choice available at this moment to those willing to be creative with how they mix and match HD capable components, is liberating.

Early adopters have made the HDV camcorder market expand at the pace it is... Early adopters were capable of influencing software developers of the necessity to support HDV or lose market share... Early adopters can make or break the HD disk formats that are about to be offered to us...

I'd prefer to see HDV/HD early adopters continue to use single and dual layer DVD's and High Definition Network media players. Why even bother with the whole HD-DVD or Blu-Ray conundrum? Why even bother spending hundreds of smackers for a new stand-alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive, then a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray writer and expensive disk blanks - when you can use your existing equipment with currently available HD network media players that provide the same (or maybe even better!!) High Definition output than devices that aren't even generally available yet?

"Horses for courses" at the end of the day. Try to know what the best solution for your purposes is likely to be - then research the blazes out of every possible alternative.

Phew... What a long winded response that turned out to be!! Hopefully there's something of use in it...

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Thanks a lot maicaw n steve c..
Great infromation regarding HDV techniques for capture..
Specially the part concerning freeware utilities.
Although i happened to fall into the thread just chekin around.It is extermely valuable..
thanks..
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Thanks a lot maicaw n steve c..
Great infromation regarding HDV techniques for capture..
Specially the part concerning freeware utilities.
Although i happened to fall into the thread just chekin around.It is extermely valuable..
thanks..
No worries...

I'm just gratified that there may have been something worthwhile for you in amongst all that stuff!!

Enjoy!
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I've got my eye on an ASUS laptop right now that doesn't have a firewire port but has USB 3.0. I want to transfer HD video from camcorder to the laptop. I'm mostly concerned with maintaining quality of video in the transfer. Is USB 3.0 as quality as firewire? Or if the laptop has a card reader port, e.g. SD (Secure Digital) then that would maintain the quality of HD video as it's a direct transfer from camcorder to laptop correct?
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I've got my eye on an ASUS laptop right now that doesn't have a firewire port but has USB 3.0. I want to transfer HD video from camcorder to the laptop. I'm mostly concerned with maintaining quality of video in the transfer. Is USB 3.0 as quality as firewire? Or if the laptop has a card reader port, e.g. SD (Secure Digital) then that would maintain the quality of HD video as it's a direct transfer from camcorder to laptop correct?
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