Samsung 120hz LCD

Jameson · 09-20-2009, 12:55 PM

Hiya. Seems to be several ppl here pretty well versed in this kinda thing, so I'm hoping I might find some assistance fine-tuning my new LCD. Just had it delivered yesterday and have kinda thumbed thru the basics. While the picture is great, I know it could be better. If anyone here has this TV (or one of its near relatives) and knows optimal settings, please share. Shy that, I have a couple of questions...

This TV boasts the whole "120hz" refresh rate, but I've noticed that when I toggle on my Blu-ray player, the readout in the upper left displays "24hz" or "60hz." Why is this? I'm running the player into the TV via HDMI. Is there a setting on the TV that I must specify 120hz on this input, or do I have to do so on the player's settings? I've checked the manual and browsed thru the TV's menu and haven't found it yet if such an option exists. Or could it be that Blu-ray players don't transfer 120hz?

Secondly, I've noticed that the contrast and color seem a bit extreme... almost on the brink of looking "washed out." I've cranked the contrast down a bit and set the picture to "standard" as opposed to "dynamic," but it still could be better. Any tips?

Thanks in advance for anyone that can offer any info on these. I'm really excited about the new setup and am eager to get the most out of it.

d6500k · 09-21-2009, 11:32 AM

The 120hz refresh rate is a multiple of 24 frames per second (the speed that film passes the shutter to be exposed). Using the toggle allows your BD player to help reduce judder when playing back a film.

Video tape is generally shot at 30 frames per second and live sporting events as well. You'll notice that these are also a multiple of the 120 hz displays. Manufacturers go about attaining the sped up system in various ways and with varying degrees of success as well. Personally, see what looks best to you as far as the toggle goes remembering that theoretically a display that can show film without the use of various pulldown ratios should give you a smoother presentation of said film.

Sammys (and most others) come out of the box set to shine on the sales floor and to give you a tan in your home.... just kinda kidding.

If you want to see the film as it was designed to be shown, reduce the ambient light in the viewing room and then use the film or cinema preset in the user menus. For a well lit viewing environment, the standard setting is generally better than the vivid mode which will not allow you to see the brightest whites nor the shadows in the darkest blacks due to its (vivid) over amplified white light output.

You may want to do a bit more and if so I've a detailed page dedicated to basic controls on my website.

Have fun!

Doug k

BrianO · 09-21-2009, 05:18 PM

The readout that you see is information about the input signal the TV is receiving; not how it is being displayed. Your TV always refreshes its screen at 120 Hz and you cannot change that rate.

Jameson · 09-21-2009, 09:49 PM

Very appreciated, you guys, esp 6500. I figured out the input vs. output deal since I left this msg and am basically now just trying to hone the cable display. Blu-ray, I think I have perfected. With cable, though, it's quite different. I've noticed with people in front of bright, flickering displays (like pro-wrestling, when they enter on the ramp in front of the giant video screens), it distorts the edges of the people. Also, if words/scores/logos are displayed on the screen - such as the score when watching football - the edges of these pixelate, esp when the image moves. So I'm still trying to figure this out. I've messed with the settings on my cable box, too, but the options with it are minimal.

Overall, the performance of this TV is phenomenal. Even HD video games look great. Loving it. Can't thank you guys enough for your advice/help.

Loves2Watch · 09-21-2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameson

Very appreciated, you guys, esp 6500. I figured out the input vs. output deal since I left this msg and am basically now just trying to hone the cable display. Blu-ray, I think I have perfected. With cable, though, it's quite different. I've noticed with people in front of bright, flickering displays (like pro-wrestling, when they enter on the ramp in front of the giant video screens), it distorts the edges of the people. Also, if words/scores/logos are displayed on the screen - such as the score when watching football - the edges of these pixelate, esp when the image moves. So I'm still trying to figure this out. I've messed with the settings on my cable box, too, but the options with it are minimal.

Overall, the performance of this TV is phenomenal. Even HD video games look great. Loving it. Can't thank you guys enough for your advice/help.

Turn your contrast and/or brightness down and please set the sharpness to 0. Also try turning off all of the motion enhancement features as they actually degrade the HD picture and add artifacts.

09-20-2009, 12:55 PM	#1
Jameson What is HD? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2	Samsung 120hz LCD Hiya. Seems to be several ppl here pretty well versed in this kinda thing, so I'm hoping I might find some assistance fine-tuning my new LCD. Just had it delivered yesterday and have kinda thumbed thru the basics. While the picture is great, I know it could be better. If anyone here has this TV (or one of its near relatives) and knows optimal settings, please share. Shy that, I have a couple of questions... This TV boasts the whole "120hz" refresh rate, but I've noticed that when I toggle on my Blu-ray player, the readout in the upper left displays "24hz" or "60hz." Why is this? I'm running the player into the TV via HDMI. Is there a setting on the TV that I must specify 120hz on this input, or do I have to do so on the player's settings? I've checked the manual and browsed thru the TV's menu and haven't found it yet if such an option exists. Or could it be that Blu-ray players don't transfer 120hz? Secondly, I've noticed that the contrast and color seem a bit extreme... almost on the brink of looking "washed out." I've cranked the contrast down a bit and set the picture to "standard" as opposed to "dynamic," but it still could be better. Any tips? Thanks in advance for anyone that can offer any info on these. I'm really excited about the new setup and am eager to get the most out of it.

09-21-2009, 11:32 AM	#2
d6500k ISF Technician Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oregon Age: 56 Posts: 1,038	The 120hz refresh rate is a multiple of 24 frames per second (the speed that film passes the shutter to be exposed). Using the toggle allows your BD player to help reduce judder when playing back a film. Video tape is generally shot at 30 frames per second and live sporting events as well. You'll notice that these are also a multiple of the 120 hz displays. Manufacturers go about attaining the sped up system in various ways and with varying degrees of success as well. Personally, see what looks best to you as far as the toggle goes remembering that theoretically a display that can show film without the use of various pulldown ratios should give you a smoother presentation of said film. Sammys (and most others) come out of the box set to shine on the sales floor and to give you a tan in your home.... just kinda kidding. If you want to see the film as it was designed to be shown, reduce the ambient light in the viewing room and then use the film or cinema preset in the user menus. For a well lit viewing environment, the standard setting is generally better than the vivid mode which will not allow you to see the brightest whites nor the shadows in the darkest blacks due to its (vivid) over amplified white light output. You may want to do a bit more and if so I've a detailed page dedicated to basic controls on my website. Have fun! Doug k __________________ Website: www.6500kcalibrations.com Serving Oregon, Washington and Idaho. Twice yearly tours to St. Petersburg/Tampa Fla. & Southernmost Texas.

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BrianO Sony KD34XS955 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pointe-Claire QC Posts: 2,326	The readout that you see is information about the input signal the TV is receiving; not how it is being displayed. Your TV always refreshes its screen at 120 Hz and you cannot change that rate.

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Jameson What is HD? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2	Very appreciated, you guys, esp 6500. I figured out the input vs. output deal since I left this msg and am basically now just trying to hone the cable display. Blu-ray, I think I have perfected. With cable, though, it's quite different. I've noticed with people in front of bright, flickering displays (like pro-wrestling, when they enter on the ramp in front of the giant video screens), it distorts the edges of the people. Also, if words/scores/logos are displayed on the screen - such as the score when watching football - the edges of these pixelate, esp when the image moves. So I'm still trying to figure this out. I've messed with the settings on my cable box, too, but the options with it are minimal. Overall, the performance of this TV is phenomenal. Even HD video games look great. Loving it. Can't thank you guys enough for your advice/help.