Recordable HD DVD's

johndoe · 06-08-2005, 02:39 PM

Toshiba Develops Recordable High-Def DVDs 8 minutes ago

TOKYO - Japan's Toshiba Corp. said Wednesday that it has developed the technology to mass-produce recordable high-definition DVDs.

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The advance is the latest step in a heated global race to establish a world standard for the next-generation of optical disks, which are expected to offer sharper images than current DVDs.

Toshiba said the new technology, developed jointly with Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co. and Hayashibara Biochemical Laboratories Inc., will enable the manufacture of single-recording HD-DVD disks with 15-gigabyte storage capacity.

Disc manufacturers, currently producing recordable DVD disks, will only have to make minor modifications to be able to produce the new higher-definition kind, Toshiba said.

Optical disc makers Hitachi Maxell Ltd. and Mitsubishi Kagaku said they will market the new HD-DVD-R discs next spring, when Toshiba plans to launch HD-DVD recorders.

In the battle for a high-definition successor to DVDs, there are two technologies competing to become the world standard.

Toshiba leads a group that backs the HD-DVD format, while Sony Corp (SNE.N). leads a rival group promoting the Blu-ray Disc format.

Blu-ray have more capacity with 50 gigabytes compared to 45 gigabytes for HD-DVD read-only disks, but proponents of HD-DVD say their format is cheaper to make because the production method is similar to current DVDs.

arcadium · 06-08-2005, 03:58 PM

OHH WOW 15GB.... no thank you, what the hell is the point in that I mean Dual Layers hold 9.4... now 45GB that's worth it.... ahh well you gotta start somewhere, anybody know when Dual Layers will be as cheap as singles!!!

RSawdey · 06-08-2005, 07:32 PM

That 45 GB is with 3 layers... BluRay has shown 4 & 8 layers at 100 & 200 GB.

deepdoc1 · 06-08-2005, 08:53 PM

I'm holding out for the Terrabyte mini-disk.

HD Guru · 06-09-2005, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSawdey

That 45 GB is with 3 layers... BluRay has shown 4 & 8 layers at 100 & 200 GB.

BR has not shown a working 8 layer BD outside of the lab. Besides nobody cares about the 4 layer BDs that probably cost a fortune, that's why you've only heard it being announced for industrial archiving etc.

These HD DVD-Rs should be really cheap since they're just extensions of DVD-Rs.

BigDaddyKev79 · 06-09-2005, 10:25 AM

as this is great in all, I have to agree with some of the earlier posts, 15 GB isn't even twice as much storage as a current dual layer DVD. DVD's are about six times the capacity of a CD, that was an improvment, I would like to see the same jump in capacity out of the next-gen DVD's.

Question: anyone know what the proposed access/read speeds are on HD-DVD's and BR's (Mbs/sec) I don't see much talk about that, and it's equally important, I think I read somewhere that BR will be in the 36Mbs/sec range, but I can't remember where I read that so don't quote me.

HD Guru · 06-09-2005, 11:11 AM

Can someone please explain why 15GB isn't enough? Enough for what exactly?

oblioman · 06-09-2005, 12:55 PM

15 gig is a bandaid. This is just another Toshiba weekly press release saying that they are a year away from doing anything.

arcadium · 06-09-2005, 01:10 PM

I suppose 15GB would be enough for High Definition Movies.. but just barley... i've seen some downloaded ones capped from TV surpass 15GB though..

BigDaddyKev79 · 06-09-2005, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HD Guru

Can someone please explain why 15GB isn't enough? Enough for what exactly?

because less than twice the storage of a standard DVD is not going to make me shell out my money for a new player. I don't care how many layers they can add-on either, look at the costs and widespread acceptance of standard dual layer DVD's, we are less than a year away from next-gen discs and you have to pay an arm and a leg to get dual-layer discs for consumer use. I will pay close attention to the format war, but I can't help but side with Sony, their disc is a much bigger step in the right direction, and I would rather wait another 6 months for that.

BDK

RSawdey · 06-09-2005, 04:16 PM

The latest Star Wars distribution in 1080p to digital cinemas was 80 GB. You'd need 6 HD-DVDs for that...

plumeria · 06-09-2005, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSawdey

The latest Star Wars distribution in 1080p to digital cinemas was 80 GB. You'd need 6 HD-DVDs for that...

Just curious - how was it distributed? On a hard disk perhaps...

Peter

Mourad34 · 06-10-2005, 03:25 AM

Optware Corp. is planning to release a Holographic Versatile Card (HVC) media product around the end of 2006. The card capacity is expected to be 30 GB, priced less than $1
You don't have to flip the disc, and you don't have to spend $20-30 for a single disc too. Now it depend on how the company is strong to proof that this is the suitable format.
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/New...px?NewsId=14105

HD Guru · 06-10-2005, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyKev79

because less than twice the storage of a standard DVD is not going to make me shell out my money for a new player. I don't care how many layers they can add-on either, look at the costs and widespread acceptance of standard dual layer DVD's, we are less than a year away from next-gen discs and you have to pay an arm and a leg to get dual-layer discs for consumer use. I will pay close attention to the format war, but I can't help but side with Sony, their disc is a much bigger step in the right direction, and I would rather wait another 6 months for that.

BDK

15GB is enough for a full length HD movie using VC-1/MPEG4. Then you have the 20GB HD DVD-RWs that will be available too. People make a big deal out of having lots of storage capacity, but when asked why they need that storage the only answer they could come up with is "Uh...more is better." Well if you don't have real reasons why you would need the extra space, then you're standing on shakey ground.

oblioman · 06-10-2005, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSawdey

The latest Star Wars distribution in 1080p to digital cinemas was 80 GB. You'd need 6 HD-DVDs for that...

Looks like reason enough for me!!!!!

06-08-2005, 02:39 PM	#1
johndoe What is HD? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2	Recordable HD DVD's Toshiba Develops Recordable High-Def DVDs 8 minutes ago TOKYO - Japan's Toshiba Corp. said Wednesday that it has developed the technology to mass-produce recordable high-definition DVDs. ADVERTISEMENT The advance is the latest step in a heated global race to establish a world standard for the next-generation of optical disks, which are expected to offer sharper images than current DVDs. Toshiba said the new technology, developed jointly with Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co. and Hayashibara Biochemical Laboratories Inc., will enable the manufacture of single-recording HD-DVD disks with 15-gigabyte storage capacity. Disc manufacturers, currently producing recordable DVD disks, will only have to make minor modifications to be able to produce the new higher-definition kind, Toshiba said. Optical disc makers Hitachi Maxell Ltd. and Mitsubishi Kagaku said they will market the new HD-DVD-R discs next spring, when Toshiba plans to launch HD-DVD recorders. In the battle for a high-definition successor to DVDs, there are two technologies competing to become the world standard. Toshiba leads a group that backs the HD-DVD format, while Sony Corp (SNE.N). leads a rival group promoting the Blu-ray Disc format. Blu-ray have more capacity with 50 gigabytes compared to 45 gigabytes for HD-DVD read-only disks, but proponents of HD-DVD say their format is cheaper to make because the production method is similar to current DVDs.

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HD Guru High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 236	Can someone please explain why 15GB isn't enough? Enough for what exactly?

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Mourad34 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 26	Optware Corp. is planning to release a Holographic Versatile Card (HVC) media product around the end of 2006. The card capacity is expected to be 30 GB, priced less than $1 You don't have to flip the disc, and you don't have to spend $20-30 for a single disc too. Now it depend on how the company is strong to proof that this is the suitable format. http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/New...px?NewsId=14105