Blu Ray asks Tohishiba to Join Blu Ray Group

phearcat · 09-05-2007, 11:14 AM

More typical Sony banter for your enjoyment.

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/artic...98858344945236

"..concerning the drive away from DVD towards the next gen formats, 'The DVD format was good, but profitability only lasted for a couple of years before there was no money to be had in the hardware market. We believe consumers are smart enough to realise the benefits and pay the extra accordingly'.

Both then believe Blu-ray is here to stay and are still confident it will become the next gen format of choice, despite the threat of new technologies like movie downloads."

My take on this is that Sony, not Toshiba is the one who really not been profitable.

If HD DVD would just go away then Sony wouldn't have to keep lowering the prices and loosing money.

daleb · 09-05-2007, 11:36 AM

They said that over 6 months ago, Toshiba can't keep dropping prices.
No mention of the shift in studio support.
If BD is doing so great why do they need Toshiba, et al to join them and support Blue-Ray?
HD DVD was supposed to be the grass, and BD the lawnmower by now.
The gardener never showed up!

GLOW · 09-05-2007, 12:15 PM

Then didn't "ask", they "invited". Asking is wishing, inviting is offering.

phearcat · 09-05-2007, 12:59 PM

Sony is wishing Toshiba would just knock if off with the price cuts already, it's killing them.

They are already taking a loss on each PS3 console and probably not doing much better on the stand alone players. The prices on next gen players continue to fall and I don't see how Sony can really afford to slash their prices any more than they have already to compete.

**PFC5** · 09-05-2007, 01:09 PM

This shows what Sony's motives (and how they got Pioneer/Panasonic, etc to go along with them) for not accepting HD DVD and going with BD. They wanted something different enough to "justify" having higher prices that stayed higher.

Their view is Toshiba just screwed them out of milking the consumer, and they are not happy. But I am.

KEEBS1984 · 09-05-2007, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PFC5

This shows what Sony's motives (and how they got Pioneer/Panasonic, etc to go along with them) for not accepting HD DVD and going with BD. They wanted something different enough to "justify" having higher prices that stayed higher.

Their view is Toshiba just screwed them out of milking the consumer, and they are not happy. But I am.

Exactly. . .

I don't know how BluRay supporters can agree with what Sony just said. Had it not been for HD DVD and Toshiba/Microsoft the BD players would STILL be $1000+. . . it is what Sony wants.

Tosh wants it too, but I'm sure they see more money in having HD DVD become the standard as opposed to making a few quick bucks off of hardware.

Long live HD DVD, long live low priced players!

unotis · 09-05-2007, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PFC5

This shows what Sony's motives (and how they got Pioneer/Panasonic, etc to go along with them) for not accepting HD DVD and going with BD. They wanted something different enough to "justify" having higher prices that stayed higher.

Their view is Toshiba just screwed them out of milking the consumer, and they are not happy. But I am.

Now I am not a "Sony Hater" by any means but, it does make you wonder along with the other information posted about the hidden codes Sony has been concealing in CDs and games just what would Sony have acted like and done if they had completely dominated the DVD and DVD player market with their Blu-Ray format?

Just think they would have dominated both production of HD DVD discs, players and the Studios, it would offered them the opportunity to milk the consumer to death (not saying they definately would have but maybe they would have)?

Gideon · 09-05-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unotis

Now I am not a "Sony Hater" by any means but, it does make you wonder along with the other information posted about the hidden codes Sony has been concealing in CDs and games just what would Sony have acted like and done if they had completely dominated the DVD and DVD player market with their Blu-Ray format?

Just think they would have dominated both production of HD DVD discs, players and the Studios, it would offered them the opportunity to milk the consumer to death (not saying they definately would have but maybe they would have)? :

This has been a fear for many people (including myself) for quite some time.

deadeyedaryl · 09-05-2007, 04:28 PM

Do you think toshiba would say the same but to join in with hd dvd instead just for a joke

crazyal · 09-05-2007, 04:32 PM

Invited, lol. Yea that's one way of putting it, begged might be another. I like this "Toshiba and Microsoft were the two companies they would most like to have in the Blu-ray Disc Association". Duh, if both of them went to BD then Universal, Paramount, DW, etc. would also have to go to BD. Can't have a format if nobody is making a machine for it and the company who owns the license is now BD. If this is true then Sony must be feeling the pain.

Then there's the part about Toshiba cutting prices and Sony 'has to be profitable'. Must be they forgot about the PS3, lets see them sell that at a profit. All kidding aside Blu_ray went for cutting edge, AOD (now HD DVD) went cost concious. Toshiba can cut prices because there format is based on the DVD standard. All they did was switch to a narrow width laser blue laser to move the tracks closer. Almost everything else is third party.

junehhan · 09-05-2007, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PFC5

This shows what Sony's motives (and how they got Pioneer/Panasonic, etc to go along with them) for not accepting HD DVD and going with BD. They wanted something different enough to "justify" having higher prices that stayed higher.

Their view is Toshiba just screwed them out of milking the consumer, and they are not happy. But I am.

You said it! It's amazing because in these 1.5 years since HD-DVD hit the market, HD-DVD players are now selling for cheaper than what DVD players were selling for roughly 1.5 years after it's release. And I thought that my HD-A1 for $500 was a bargain!

deadeyedaryl · 09-06-2007, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadeyedaryl

Do you think toshiba would say the same but to join in with hd dvd instead just for a joke

It was ment to say "Do you think toshiba would say the same to sony but to join hd dvd instead just for a joke

BobY · 09-06-2007, 09:37 AM

Sony is already a member of the DVD Forum, the organization behind DVD and HD DVD.

I'm sure Toshiba would be more than happy for Sony to adopt HD DVD, but it would be unlikely since Sony is still ticked about their "Multimedia Compact Disc" losing out to Toshiba's "Super Density Disc" (aka "DVD").

Of course, Sony's also still ticked about Beta losing out to VHS, so they keep on trying...

SLedford · 09-06-2007, 10:48 AM

When I think of Sony, I tend to shake my head and wonder why they cannot get things right. Part of the reason is that they do not learn from their mistakes.

Plusses - they introduce new products. There is a cost associated with developing new products that some companies avoid by simply producing existing technology products. We need companies willing to put money into research for new products, and Sony fits that description.

Minusses - they introduce new products. I am listing this as a minus as well because of the way Sony does things. They are so intent upon controlling the market that they sometimes make foolish choices. For example, there are several established memory card products used in cameras, video recorders, etc. Why would Sony introduce a new memory card? Because they control this product and the revenues go to them. I don't know how much they are saving by using Sony memory sticks, but my take is that this is probably a "penny wise, pound (or dollar) foolish" type choice.

I don't know how this war will turn out, but if they have another failure (and not winning outright would be a failure), management should take a long hard look at their corporate philosophy regarding developing and marketing new products. Hopefully their stockholders will insist on it.

daleb · 09-06-2007, 11:17 AM

Sony is no slacker when it comes to video technology. The problem comes in when they try to capture consumers with proprietary interfaces. I think folks are becoming wary of that.
They have done well selling on their name, and using that to justify higher prices. I think it is finally wearing thin, and now they need to compete with other CE manufacturers who are keeping competitive with more emphasis on value than innovation.
Today any major corporation has as the same potential for developing new technology as the next one, and in many cases share common technologies and even components.
I think Sony is at the point of having to take off their mask and play in the same sand box as all the other boys and girls.

09-05-2007, 11:14 AM	#1
phearcat Me So HD Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The OC Age: 39 Posts: 698	Blu Ray asks Tohishiba to Join Blu Ray Group More typical Sony banter for your enjoyment. http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/artic...98858344945236 "..concerning the drive away from DVD towards the next gen formats, 'The DVD format was good, but profitability only lasted for a couple of years before there was no money to be had in the hardware market. We believe consumers are smart enough to realise the benefits and pay the extra accordingly'. Both then believe Blu-ray is here to stay and are still confident it will become the next gen format of choice, despite the threat of new technologies like movie downloads." My take on this is that Sony, not Toshiba is the one who really not been profitable. If HD DVD would just go away then Sony wouldn't have to keep lowering the prices and loosing money.

09-05-2007, 11:36 AM	#2
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,351	They said that over 6 months ago, Toshiba can't keep dropping prices. No mention of the shift in studio support. If BD is doing so great why do they need Toshiba, et al to join them and support Blue-Ray? HD DVD was supposed to be the grass, and BD the lawnmower by now. The gardener never showed up! __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

09-05-2007, 12:15 PM	#3
GLOW PUBLIC ENEMY #1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chi 'til I die Age: 30 Posts: 7,647	Then didn't "ask", they "invited". Asking is wishing, inviting is offering. __________________ "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria." - Benjamin Franklin

09-05-2007, 01:09 PM	#5
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,385	This shows what Sony's motives (and how they got Pioneer/Panasonic, etc to go along with them) for not accepting HD DVD and going with BD. They wanted something different enough to "justify" having higher prices that stayed higher. Their view is Toshiba just screwed them out of milking the consumer, and they are not happy. But I am. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

09-05-2007, 04:28 PM	#9
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09-05-2007, 12:59 PM	#4
phearcat Me So HD Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The OC Age: 39 Posts: 698	Sony is wishing Toshiba would just knock if off with the price cuts already, it's killing them. They are already taking a loss on each PS3 console and probably not doing much better on the stand alone players. The prices on next gen players continue to fall and I don't see how Sony can really afford to slash their prices any more than they have already to compete.

09-05-2007, 04:32 PM	#10
crazyal Smarter than the ave bear Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,312	Invited, lol. Yea that's one way of putting it, begged might be another. I like this "Toshiba and Microsoft were the two companies they would most like to have in the Blu-ray Disc Association". Duh, if both of them went to BD then Universal, Paramount, DW, etc. would also have to go to BD. Can't have a format if nobody is making a machine for it and the company who owns the license is now BD. If this is true then Sony must be feeling the pain. Then there's the part about Toshiba cutting prices and Sony 'has to be profitable'. Must be they forgot about the PS3, lets see them sell that at a profit. All kidding aside Blu_ray went for cutting edge, AOD (now HD DVD) went cost concious. Toshiba can cut prices because there format is based on the DVD standard. All they did was switch to a narrow width laser blue laser to move the tracks closer. Almost everything else is third party.

09-06-2007, 09:37 AM	#13
BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	Sony is already a member of the DVD Forum, the organization behind DVD and HD DVD. I'm sure Toshiba would be more than happy for Sony to adopt HD DVD, but it would be unlikely since Sony is still ticked about their "Multimedia Compact Disc" losing out to Toshiba's "Super Density Disc" (aka "DVD"). Of course, Sony's also still ticked about Beta losing out to VHS, so they keep on trying...

09-06-2007, 10:48 AM	#14
SLedford HD Fan Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 1,023	Sony - the plusses and minuses When I think of Sony, I tend to shake my head and wonder why they cannot get things right. Part of the reason is that they do not learn from their mistakes. Plusses - they introduce new products. There is a cost associated with developing new products that some companies avoid by simply producing existing technology products. We need companies willing to put money into research for new products, and Sony fits that description. Minusses - they introduce new products. I am listing this as a minus as well because of the way Sony does things. They are so intent upon controlling the market that they sometimes make foolish choices. For example, there are several established memory card products used in cameras, video recorders, etc. Why would Sony introduce a new memory card? Because they control this product and the revenues go to them. I don't know how much they are saving by using Sony memory sticks, but my take is that this is probably a "penny wise, pound (or dollar) foolish" type choice. I don't know how this war will turn out, but if they have another failure (and not winning outright would be a failure), management should take a long hard look at their corporate philosophy regarding developing and marketing new products. Hopefully their stockholders will insist on it. __________________ Toshiba 57H83 television, Paradigm Monitor 5 front speakers, Paradigm CC370 center speaker, Paradigm Mini Monitor surround speakers, Sony subwoofer, Yamaha HRT-5590 receiver, Denon DVD-2800 II, Toshiba HD-DVD A2, Play Station 3 - 40 Gig, Comcast HD Cable

09-06-2007, 11:17 AM	#15
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,351	Sony is no slacker when it comes to video technology. The problem comes in when they try to capture consumers with proprietary interfaces. I think folks are becoming wary of that. They have done well selling on their name, and using that to justify higher prices. I think it is finally wearing thin, and now they need to compete with other CE manufacturers who are keeping competitive with more emphasis on value than innovation. Today any major corporation has as the same potential for developing new technology as the next one, and in many cases share common technologies and even components. I think Sony is at the point of having to take off their mask and play in the same sand box as all the other boys and girls. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

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