Circuit City Embraces Toshiba

wvradicalman · 05-07-2007, 01:21 PM

I just received a 12 page brochure from Circuit City in the mail announcing that they now have Toshiba TV's. This is a glossy full color booklet type deal on heavy paper stock. It must have been mailed to a large list..it's one of those ______, or Current Resident.

With every TV they offer a special price if you add in an HD DVD player. 24 months, no interest. 24! The HD DVD logo apears prominently 5 times in the brochure.

At the same time Toshiba has announced using Michael Imperioli of the Sopranos to help sell HD DVD, with a lot of spots planned.

So it looks like Toshiba has finally leveled big guns at the market place.

Things could really be looking up for HD DVD.

Rad B

Colt45 · 05-07-2007, 02:20 PM

Yup, they had a 9 free deal as well (not sure if it still on).

junehhan · 05-07-2007, 10:31 PM

That's even more good news for HD-DVD! I just wish Best Buy would knock some sense into themselves so that they will finally start backing an HD player that is actually selling and selling hot right now. This is definately good exposure and will create additional pressure on other retailers who also want a piece of the hot selling HD-DVD player pie.

Stew4HD · 05-08-2007, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by junehhan

That's even more good news for HD-DVD! I just wish Best Buy would knock some sense into themselves so that they will finally start backing an HD player that is actually selling and selling hot right now. This is definately good exposure and will create additional pressure on other retailers who also want a piece of the hot selling HD-DVD player pie.

BB has lost me as a customer over their BD stance. They aren't even giving HD DVD a chance. I know it's business and the BD camp has the $$ to twist arms, but my $$ is going to CC now (when I do buy from a B&M)

Chris Gerhard · 05-08-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wvradicalman

Things could really be looking up for HD DVD.

Rad B

There is certainly no way it could be looking down, we know it can't be heading any lower. When you are in last place, there is no place to look but up.

Chris

DSNY FN · 05-08-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

BB has lost me as a customer over their BD stance. They aren't even giving HD DVD a chance. I know it's business and the BD camp has the $$ to twist arms, but my $$ is going to CC now (when I do buy from a B&M)

This is funny because our BB's and Future Shop stores in London are pushing HD DVD moeso than BR even the endcap displays are more prominent than that of the BR ones.

GoBirds · 05-08-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wvradicalman

With every TV they offer a special price if you add in an HD DVD player. 24 months, no interest. 24! The HD DVD logo apears prominently 5 times in the brochure.

Rad B

I originally posted about this a few weeks ago, my Tos 42HL167 was $1799.99 at CC on it's own. On 4/26, for 1999.99 I got the TV, a HD-A20, delivery and was supposed to be "installed" but I had them leave it in the box in the room it belonged in. So basically, for $200 I got delivery and the HD-A20. Made my next gen DVD player a no brainer.

**PFC5** · 05-08-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

There is certainly no way it could be looking down, we know it can't be heading any lower. When you are in last place, there is no place to look but up.

Chris

If it wasn't for the PS3 playing BD movies the BD format would already be GONE, but the PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, so the attach rate is something like LESS than ONE BD movie per console. While HD DVD has something like 15 HD DVD movies per standalone (or 360 addon) player.

Once the Chinese players come for the mass market, we shall see where things are OK?

BTW, thanks for crapping on another thread Chris.

Chris Gerhard · 05-08-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

If it wasn't for the PS3 playing BD movies the BD format would already be GONE, but the PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, so the attach rate is something like LESS than ONE BD movie per console. While HD DVD has something like 15 HD DVD movies per standalone (or 360 addon) player.

Once the Chinese players come for the mass market, we shall see where things are OK?

BTW, thanks for crapping on another thread Chris.

The truth is crap? Your idiotic statement that BD+ will turn Blu-ray players into bricks is what? Chinese players no more win the war for HD DVD than PS3 game consoles won the war for Blu-ray despite your proclamation that the purchasers of the Chinese players will buy them for 100% HD DVD playback. A pretty funny prediction, but that was nothing new for you.

Chris

**PFC5** · 05-08-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

The truth is crap? Your idiotic statement that BD+ will turn Blu-ray players into bricks is what? Chinese players no more win the war for HD DVD than PS3 game consoles won the war for Blu-ray despite your proclamation that the purchasers of the Chinese players will buy them for 100% HD DVD playback. A pretty funny prediction, but that was nothing new for you.

Chris

Chris why are you such an ass?

So this is the truth?

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

There is certainly no way it could be looking down, we know it can't be heading any lower. When you are in last place, there is no place to look but up.

Chris

So there is no where but up for HD DVD to go? This is BS for BOTH formats. Everyone knows you hate HD DVD and want BD to win. Everyone knows you do not like much content for EITHER format right now but you say you own both. WHY do you own both if you do not like HD DVD and neither has much going for it?

Just for the record, here is a definition of ThreadCrapping/ThreadJacking:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...hread+crapping
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...Thread+Jacking

"Thread Jacking:
Taking over a thread on a message board by taking a part of the original posted topic, twisting it around and "hijacking" the thread itself. What happens is that the original content contained in the post becomes moot and whatever the "Thread Jacker" has manipulated the content to be becomes the new content thereby "hijacking" the original intent of post. People now respond to the "thread jacker's" input and the that becomes the focus of the tread."

So what you did was more "ThreadJacking" than "ThreadCrapping". Either way you seem to be determined to ruin every thread that has ANY positive news for HD DVD. WHY?

Now WHO said that the cheap Chinese HD DVD players would be used ONLY 100% for HD DVD playback? Show me and everyone else WHERE "I" posted this as you stated as my "proclamation". This just shows everyone that you are full of BS.

There you go putting words in peoples' mouths again. To slant the point from what was said. I always have played up the fantastic upscaling of the HD DVD players as another reason to buy them over just an upscaler for a little more money over a good upscaler. We do not know if the Chinese HD DVD players will be able to do with SD DVDs and how good they will be at upscaling so I do not mention it with these unknown (so far) players.

Here is a link with a quote about BD+ with hacked players:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article...+%2F+Suppliers

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Also, BD+ can detect tampering to a player, refusing to play once any manipulation to hardware is discovered.

Here are more links:

http://businessweek.com/technology/c...526_680075.htm

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STRANGLEHOLD ON CONTENT. Even more extreme is a scheme called BD+ that deals with the problem of what to do when someone cracks the encryption scheme. The players can automatically download new crypto if the old one is broken. But there's an ominous feature buried in this so-called protection mechanism: If a particular brand of player is cryptographically "compromised," the studio can remotely disable all of the affected players. In other words, if some hacker halfway across the globe cracks Sony's software, Sony can shut down my DVD player across the Net.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/11/t...were-about-us/

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Perhaps the scariest aspect of Blu-ray�s latest salvo is the use of BD+. Similar in concept to DirecTV�s piracy countermeasures, BD+ is Blu-ray�s method of responding to hacked machines. BD+ allows Blu-ray to both a) change the security system on a device and b) lock out hacked machines.

For instance, let�s assume that a device is hacked (a fair assumption). BD+ would allow Blu-ray to essentially render the hacked devices useless. OK � that�s a concept we�ve heard before. Key revocation is nothing new.

The difference is that BD+ can also be used to get the disabled machines back up and running (back in a protected state of course). At this point you might be wondering why that�s bad. It�s a fair question. After all, it�s designed to help you. The problem is that it might just be the added comfort Blu-ray needs to pull the trigger and disable the device in the first place.

This should be enough even for you CHris but here is ONE MORE:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1846092,00.asp

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The BD+ mechanism, meanwhile, will serve as a counter to attacks like DeCSS, which stripped the DVD player of its protections and allowed content to be copied and posted on the Internet. Since the DVD player code was read-only, "once the DVD was hacked, that was it," Gordon said.
BD+ was modeled after the mechanisms used by BSkyB and other DBS providers, which use a concept called "renewability" to reinstate the content protection schemes with updated code. If a hack is published, a fix will be circulated until a crack for the fix is published -- a never-ending cycle, but one that will allow studios and device makers to remain in business, Setos said. It is based upon the concept of Self-Protecting Digital Content, authored by Cryptographics Research Inc., he said.
"Everything can be hacked, and so it's handy to renew the system," Setos said.
If an exploit is published for a particular player, that player may be "turned off," or disabled, according to Setos, a process known as "revocation". He described a scenario where an exploit was published for a particular model of player. The player provider would then be obligated to update the player via BD+, while the serial number of an actual hacked machine could be detected and disabled.
"It detects if the product is properly operating," Setos said. "If it's a hijacked one, it will refuse to play."
If an exploit was released into the wild, Setos said the Blu-Ray content-protection scheme would identify and fix just those players that could be modified, and disable those that had been tampered with. How the player will be properly detected was not disclosed, however.
"We don't expect there to be any false positives," Setos said, when asked about the possibility for error.
"The consumer experience is paramount," Setos added. "If you turn off or otherwise revoke the working player, it's not a good thing."

Badlander 73 · 05-08-2007, 01:56 PM

You tend to think HD-DVD is really a great thing when truth is you are a moron IMHO and along with juliethong, are nothing but a bunch of fanboys running around on this forum backing an inferior format such as HD-DVD. Just get ready to sell your useless collection of movies or any other type of toshiba related "chinese" hardware you noob!

unotis · 05-08-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Badlander 73

You tend to think HD-DVD is really a great thing when truth is you are a moron IMHO and along with juliethong, are nothing but a bunch of fanboys running around on this forum backing an inferior format such as HD-DVD. Just get ready to sell your useless collection of movies or any other type of toshiba related "chinese" hardware you noob!

I was correct, "Troll Alert!" we gave this guy a chance but he has removed all doubt.

He seems to have no intention of becoming a respectable member of this forum, what with his other postings you can tell what he actually is.

loganhunter200 · 05-08-2007, 03:14 PM

So why does Chris Gerald hate HD DVD so much? Can HD DVD and Blu ray get along?

Colt45 · 05-08-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Badlander 73

You tend to think HD-DVD is really a great thing when truth is you are a moron IMHO and along with juliethong, are nothing but a bunch of fanboys running around on this forum backing an inferior format such as HD-DVD. Just get ready to sell your useless collection of movies or any other type of toshiba related "chinese" hardware you noob!

unotis · 05-08-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by unotis

I was correct, "Troll Alert!" we gave this guy a chance but he has removed all doubt.

He seems to have no intention of becoming a respectable member of this forum, what with his other postings you can tell what he actually is.

What is really strange Badlander 73 has been member since 2004 and he has only 5 postings?

What is he like "herpes" and just crops back up to make things worse for short time?

Does he "Troll" other forums? Just pop in and post some real crap then disappear for a period of time?

05-07-2007, 01:21 PM	#1
wvradicalman wvradicalman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Near Harpers Ferry, WV which is near Washington, DC Posts: 135	Circuit City Embraces Toshiba I just received a 12 page brochure from Circuit City in the mail announcing that they now have Toshiba TV's. This is a glossy full color booklet type deal on heavy paper stock. It must have been mailed to a large list..it's one of those ______, or Current Resident. With every TV they offer a special price if you add in an HD DVD player. 24 months, no interest. 24! The HD DVD logo apears prominently 5 times in the brochure. At the same time Toshiba has announced using Michael Imperioli of the Sopranos to help sell HD DVD, with a lot of spots planned. So it looks like Toshiba has finally leveled big guns at the market place. Things could really be looking up for HD DVD. Rad B

05-07-2007, 10:31 PM	#3
junehhan High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 5,661	That's even more good news for HD-DVD! I just wish Best Buy would knock some sense into themselves so that they will finally start backing an HD player that is actually selling and selling hot right now. This is definately good exposure and will create additional pressure on other retailers who also want a piece of the hot selling HD-DVD player pie. __________________ X360 Gamertag junehhan Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player -Klipsch RSW10 Subwoofer -Pioneer VSX1016TXVK reciever -Klipsch Synergy Quintet III 5 channel speakers AIM: jhhan80 HD-DVD's: Loving it! BD's: When we get a reasonably priced BDP with lossless decoders Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state, they forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone - Frederich Bastiat, 1848

05-08-2007, 03:14 PM	#13
loganhunter200 99 is the magic number Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 472	So why does Chris Gerald hate HD DVD so much? Can HD DVD and Blu ray get along? __________________ F Uuuuuuuuu Toshiba!!!

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Colt45 PS3+360 =:D Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Yup, they had a 9 free deal as well (not sure if it still on).

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Badlander 73 Get out and do something! Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 36 Posts: 99	You tend to think HD-DVD is really a great thing when truth is you are a moron IMHO and along with juliethong, are nothing but a bunch of fanboys running around on this forum backing an inferior format such as HD-DVD. Just get ready to sell your useless collection of movies or any other type of toshiba related "chinese" hardware you noob!