POLL: Which DVD format will become the standard?

**PFC5** · 03-13-2006, 05:57 PM

Every post shows that you seem to have a vested interest in BR winning, and have a hidden agenda. Just keep posting, so you can prove my point more and more.

AudialDelta · 03-22-2006, 12:24 AM

The industrial companies, Microsoft, Apple, and the movie, music, and video game industry will have a large influence on this. But Sony's inability to provide a working product, for maybe 6 months of more after the release of HDDVD may kill it's technology. The other issue is Sony's typical lack of end user support and designing products that can't easilly be understood by the common man. Then there is the huge premium for Blue-ray.

But are spinning platters really a viable option for "premium" digital storage in the 21st century? CD's are far from indestructable. Do we really want 20 GB or more on a medium that can't be read below freezing because of vapor on the surface? Or to be fumbling around with these 5 inch platters for another 20 plus years? It may be an incorrect assumption, but I don't expect compressing 4-10 times more data into the same space will be condusive to lowering the error rate. The only advantages to these mediums are that they look the same as what the majority of consumer associate with music and movies, and likelyhood of production costs of the disc's dropping to a similar level in the foreseeable future.

- James

borromini · 03-22-2006, 12:43 PM

Microsoft and Apple are industrial companies?

Loran1 · 03-22-2006, 06:23 PM

I remember, very painfully, the Beta vs VHS war. I decided on a Beta machine because I heard the resolution was a bit better than VHS and it was backed by Sony, a company I trusted. I also bought a Sony camcorder with a built-in Beta cassette slot, making recording and viewing on my Betamax a snap. I thought I had a great combination. Boy, was I wrong. Slowly, at first, there were less and less Beta movies available in the rental stores. Later there were just a few in a corner somewhere, and then they were gone. Like someone said, the main reason VHS won out was its longer recording time, a feature nobody ended up using anyway due to the poor quality at the lower speed. I knew it was over when I bought a major appliance that came with a VHS tutorial tape.

I had to sell both the Betamax and the camcorder real cheap, and buy a VHS machine. Before I sold the Betamax I re-recorded all my personal tapes onto the VHS machine, loosing some resolution in the process, of course. I eventually threw away my collection of Beta movies.

Well, I’m going to wait a bit longer this time before I make another bad decision.

IMpoor · 03-22-2006, 06:52 PM

Most, or none, of us will buy either one right away. Number one it will cost to much & number 2 the lack of movie titles available will not make it worth it. although the delay in the Blu-Ray player will affect market share I am sure it will not play as big as a factor as one might think. Plus the fact that it will be built into the PS3 will make a big difference. I remember when the PS2 came out it was one of the best ways to get a DVD player because of the price of DVD players back in the day. On paper Blu-Ray seems to be the winner because of the fact it can hold more data. I may be assuming to much but if one holds more data then it is likely that the movie can be less compressed on one format vs another. My vote is BR but to be perfectly honest I would not be surprised if it ends up being the same as a DVDR+/- where buy the time I by either one I there will be a combo drive that does both. I know these are already in development by companies like LG. Then the only thing that would matter would be which one gives me teh best picture at the best price for the movies I want to see.

Oh yeah and I have seen 5th element to many times to get excited about it in HD. It was a good movie but come on already. Milla is much better in the resident evil flicks.

AudialDelta · 03-23-2006, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borromini

Microsoft and Apple are industrial companies?

They purchase and develop at the multi-thousand per item level. I used the term to refer to "big business" more so than the actual products we see as consumers. But I am sure there are more than a few forklifts, dump trucks, welding machines, etc. in the property rooms of those two companies.

Nevada_MO_Guy · 03-23-2006, 01:38 AM

I think Blue Ray.

HD-DVD will be getting crowded pretty quick with an HD movie "a 135 minute movie with a compression rate of 12 Mbps means around 12-13 GB just for the video data. Add to this around 5 GB for a DVD quality soundtrack, space for supplementary soundtracks (either for other languages or other sound compressions), and the 30 GB a HD-DVD can hold become more than crowded."

Blue Ray has the capacity for more...and consumers always want more...."And Blu-Ray is not going to stop here. 100 and 200 GB discs are under study, evolving from dual-layer to 4 or 8 layer."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-c...-DVD-631.shtml

**PFC5** · 03-23-2006, 03:28 AM

Those secondary languages will not be in the HD audio formats. They rarely are even in DD5.1 on current SD DVDs. They will be on the discs with the region coding for that language I imagine and English would be relagated to a lower audio codec in those regions.

I think there will be room to spare on each format with BR having more unused space since they have a larger capacity. A lot of the extras they have on current SD DVDs are just advertising for the studios as it is, I certainly do not want more advertising that I cannot skip over which seems to be the current trend with the latest new releases. Damn that first Pepsi ad on that VHS movie way back when.

Nevada_MO_Guy · 03-23-2006, 08:46 AM

http://www./announcement/...enuscreen/3115

µCOM-4 · 03-23-2006, 09:10 AM

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ifa2005/nec_03.jpg

µCOM-4 · 03-23-2006, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevada_MO_Guy

I think Blue Ray.

HD-DVD will be getting crowded pretty quick with an HD movie "a 135 minute movie with a compression rate of 12 Mbps means around 12-13 GB just for the video data. Add to this around 5 GB for a DVD quality soundtrack, space for supplementary soundtracks (either for other languages or other sound compressions), and the 30 GB a HD-DVD can hold become more than crowded."

Blue Ray has the capacity for more...and consumers always want more...."And Blu-Ray is not going to stop here. 100 and 200 GB discs are under study, evolving from dual-layer to 4 or 8 layer."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-c...-DVD-631.shtml

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ces2006/hddvd_04.jpg

45GB, 60GB and 90GB HD DVD...

cop3911 · 03-24-2006, 09:55 AM

1st Question: If any one should known will HD DVD's Movies play on Blue ray DVD players & vice vers Blue ray Movies on HD DVD Players. So which ever one comes out on top you will not be out the money pay paid on movies that you by.

2nd Question: How can you ask people to vote which way they think things will turn out when Blue Ray isn't on the market yet to make a fair judgement .

SLedford · 03-24-2006, 10:04 AM

Eventually a universal player will come out that will play both formats, but right now each format's players will only play their own disks (HD-DVD players will only play HD-DVD, and vice versa). That is why many (possibly most) of the folks who would normally jump in early are waiting this war out.

As far as your second point, HD-DVD is not out either. Both are just ideas at this point. The products are also evolving - what will appear in the stores this year (hopefully) will be different from what is being sold next year.

I enjoy reading the mini-battles that appear in this and other forums, but both sides are using speculation and limited information in their arguements. It's "just for fun" right now. Things will become clearer when product actually makes it to stores and the discussions more meaningful.

djconfirm · 03-26-2006, 11:44 PM

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/15/ul...f_disc_player/

Here's a report of an announcement by LG that they will build components that make universal players [and maybe burners] much easier to build. Right out of the gate...

Why do we need two formats when all the players/burners that we are going to buy are going to support both formats??

With all the legacy that these drives need to drag along, it seems that each new generation requires not one, but two anchors on the chain...

I know - I know... Don't ask stupid questions...

dj

HD_Lunatic · 04-10-2006, 05:09 PM

Thanks,
That's the one I'm buying!!!

View Poll Results: POLL: Which DVD format will become the standard?
HD-DVD/AOD	565	60.69%
Blu-Ray	335	35.98%
EVD	1	0.11%
FVD	2	0.21%
Other	28	3.01%
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03-13-2006, 05:57 PM	#61
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 30,625	Every post shows that you seem to have a vested interest in BR winning, and have a hidden agenda. Just keep posting, so you can prove my point more and more. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

03-22-2006, 12:24 AM	#62
AudialDelta HD Audio Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA Posts: 35	The industrial companies, Microsoft, Apple, and the movie, music, and video game industry will have a large influence on this. But Sony's inability to provide a working product, for maybe 6 months of more after the release of HDDVD may kill it's technology. The other issue is Sony's typical lack of end user support and designing products that can't easilly be understood by the common man. Then there is the huge premium for Blue-ray. But are spinning platters really a viable option for "premium" digital storage in the 21st century? CD's are far from indestructable. Do we really want 20 GB or more on a medium that can't be read below freezing because of vapor on the surface? Or to be fumbling around with these 5 inch platters for another 20 plus years? It may be an incorrect assumption, but I don't expect compressing 4-10 times more data into the same space will be condusive to lowering the error rate. The only advantages to these mediums are that they look the same as what the majority of consumer associate with music and movies, and likelyhood of production costs of the disc's dropping to a similar level in the foreseeable future. - James __________________ Audial Delta, Hear the difference!

03-22-2006, 12:43 PM	#63
borromini HT Frontiersman Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 9,910	Microsoft and Apple are industrial companies? __________________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

03-22-2006, 06:23 PM	#64
Loran1 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern California Age: 73 Posts: 203	I remember, very painfully, the Beta vs VHS war. I decided on a Beta machine because I heard the resolution was a bit better than VHS and it was backed by Sony, a company I trusted. I also bought a Sony camcorder with a built-in Beta cassette slot, making recording and viewing on my Betamax a snap. I thought I had a great combination. Boy, was I wrong. Slowly, at first, there were less and less Beta movies available in the rental stores. Later there were just a few in a corner somewhere, and then they were gone. Like someone said, the main reason VHS won out was its longer recording time, a feature nobody ended up using anyway due to the poor quality at the lower speed. I knew it was over when I bought a major appliance that came with a VHS tutorial tape. I had to sell both the Betamax and the camcorder real cheap, and buy a VHS machine. Before I sold the Betamax I re-recorded all my personal tapes onto the VHS machine, loosing some resolution in the process, of course. I eventually threw away my collection of Beta movies. Well, I’m going to wait a bit longer this time before I make another bad decision. __________________ Pioneer PDP5030HD TV Panasonic TH-50PZ700U TV Panasonic DMP-BD30K Blu-ray player Polaroid 15" LCD TLA-0511C

03-22-2006, 06:52 PM	#65
IMpoor High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 312	Most, or none, of us will buy either one right away. Number one it will cost to much & number 2 the lack of movie titles available will not make it worth it. although the delay in the Blu-Ray player will affect market share I am sure it will not play as big as a factor as one might think. Plus the fact that it will be built into the PS3 will make a big difference. I remember when the PS2 came out it was one of the best ways to get a DVD player because of the price of DVD players back in the day. On paper Blu-Ray seems to be the winner because of the fact it can hold more data. I may be assuming to much but if one holds more data then it is likely that the movie can be less compressed on one format vs another. My vote is BR but to be perfectly honest I would not be surprised if it ends up being the same as a DVDR+/- where buy the time I by either one I there will be a combo drive that does both. I know these are already in development by companies like LG. Then the only thing that would matter would be which one gives me teh best picture at the best price for the movies I want to see. Oh yeah and I have seen 5th element to many times to get excited about it in HD. It was a good movie but come on already. Milla is much better in the resident evil flicks.

03-23-2006, 01:38 AM	#67
Nevada_MO_Guy Missouri_HD_Guy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri Age: 41 Posts: 930	I think Blue Ray. HD-DVD will be getting crowded pretty quick with an HD movie "a 135 minute movie with a compression rate of 12 Mbps means around 12-13 GB just for the video data. Add to this around 5 GB for a DVD quality soundtrack, space for supplementary soundtracks (either for other languages or other sound compressions), and the 30 GB a HD-DVD can hold become more than crowded." Blue Ray has the capacity for more...and consumers always want more...."And Blu-Ray is not going to stop here. 100 and 200 GB discs are under study, evolving from dual-layer to 4 or 8 layer." http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-c...-DVD-631.shtml

03-23-2006, 03:28 AM	#68
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 30,625	Those secondary languages will not be in the HD audio formats. They rarely are even in DD5.1 on current SD DVDs. They will be on the discs with the region coding for that language I imagine and English would be relagated to a lower audio codec in those regions. I think there will be room to spare on each format with BR having more unused space since they have a larger capacity. A lot of the extras they have on current SD DVDs are just advertising for the studios as it is, I certainly do not want more advertising that I cannot skip over which seems to be the current trend with the latest new releases. Damn that first Pepsi ad on that VHS movie way back when. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

03-23-2006, 09:10 AM	#70
µCOM-4 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 699	http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ifa2005/nec_03.jpg

03-24-2006, 09:55 AM	#72
cop3911 What is HD? Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1	HD DVD Vs Blue Ray 1st Question: If any one should known will HD DVD's Movies play on Blue ray DVD players & vice vers Blue ray Movies on HD DVD Players. So which ever one comes out on top you will not be out the money pay paid on movies that you by. 2nd Question: How can you ask people to vote which way they think things will turn out when Blue Ray isn't on the market yet to make a fair judgement .

03-24-2006, 10:04 AM	#73
SLedford HD Fan Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 1,023	Its all just for fun right now Eventually a universal player will come out that will play both formats, but right now each format's players will only play their own disks (HD-DVD players will only play HD-DVD, and vice versa). That is why many (possibly most) of the folks who would normally jump in early are waiting this war out. As far as your second point, HD-DVD is not out either. Both are just ideas at this point. The products are also evolving - what will appear in the stores this year (hopefully) will be different from what is being sold next year. I enjoy reading the mini-battles that appear in this and other forums, but both sides are using speculation and limited information in their arguements. It's "just for fun" right now. Things will become clearer when product actually makes it to stores and the discussions more meaningful.

03-26-2006, 11:44 PM	#74
djconfirm Dish Vip622, 42in Plasma Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Coos Bay, Or Posts: 11	LG will build components for agnostic players/burners http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/15/ul...f_disc_player/ Here's a report of an announcement by LG that they will build components that make universal players [and maybe burners] much easier to build. Right out of the gate... Why do we need two formats when all the players/burners that we are going to buy are going to support both formats?? With all the legacy that these drives need to drag along, it seems that each new generation requires not one, but two anchors on the chain... I know - I know... Don't ask stupid questions... dj

04-10-2006, 05:09 PM	#75
HD_Lunatic High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 87	Thanks, That's the one I'm buying!!!

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