Sometimes the only winning move...

scamp · 11-28-2006, 02:11 PM

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

I'm sorry Sony and I'm sorry Toshiba (et. el.) but you can each tout the wonders of your new hi-definition players until the cows come home and it won't make a bit of difference to me. I just want to watch movies. That's it. End of story. There is no way in hell I'm going to pay for a new player that will let me watch some movies but not others. It's absurd. It ain't gonna happen.

So here are your options:

1. Release ALL movies from ALL studios on both formats.
2. Release a good quality dual format player at a reasonable price
3. Give up entirely on one format or the other.

Until one of those scenarios happens, I'll just have to keep watching my "old" DVD's.

Oh and you can also plan on a little less revenue coming your way, because I'm also holding off on purchasing that new plasma set and any new DVD's until you solve this issue.

hdtv4me2 · 11-28-2006, 02:27 PM

Well options 1, 2 or 3 aren't going to happen anytime soon. I guess the only thing I can say is "more for us"!

GLOW · 11-28-2006, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scamp

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

I'm sorry Sony and I'm sorry Toshiba (et. el.) but you can each tout the wonders of your new hi-definition players until the cows come home and it won't make a bit of difference to me. I just want to watch movies. That's it. End of story. There is no way in hell I'm going to pay for a new player that will let me watch some movies but not others. It's absurd. It ain't gonna happen.

Makes sense to me. I'm thinking about just grabbing a cheap BDP1000 and/or A1 and waiting until a full-featured player is out. I hate having to settle for something that doesn't meet my needs. Neither format has made me want to run out and buy a player and discs. High-def movies can be very impressive but there are too many problems on both sides. HD DVD has awful studio support and not enough lossless soundtracks, Blu-ray is just getting over a rough transitional phase and doesn't have enough outstanding transfers for me to get excited about. Neither format is selling well, and there just aren't enough quality titles out on either side. I'm hoping in a year thing will be different. I won't hold my breath for a dual-format player. I'd rather just see HD DVD die. It never deserved to exist in the first place and IMO doomed both formats to a niche audience and a short existence. Microsoft used HD DVD to further their own agenda, downloadable movies. I feel sorry for the suckers who actaully trusted Amir and the gang about the wonders of VC-1 and HD DVD. I'm ready for some extensive HD VOD but I doubt we'll see it within the next couple of years... I'm hoping Apple can come up with a quality h.264 movie download service, I'm not interested in helping line Micro$oft's pockets anymore.

Steeb · 11-28-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Blu-ray is just getting over a rough transitional phase and doesn't have enough outstanding transfers for me to get excited about.

What was the transition? Why didn't HD DVD have a transitional period?

GLOW · 11-28-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeb

What was the transition? Why didn't HD DVD have a transitional period?

HD DVD's transitional period was before the format hit the market. It was the transition between everyone thinking "Why the hell would anyone want to support this crappy format?"

to "OMG, VC-1 rulez!!! 30GB is okay cuz efficient low bitrates are teh best!!! MPEG-2 is so inferior to VC-1!!! We luv u, Amir!!!"

The rest is history....

Steeb · 11-28-2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLOW

HD DVD's transitional period was before the format hit the market. It was the transition between everyone thinking "Why the hell would anyone want to support this crappy format?"

to "OMG, VC-1 rulez!!! 30GB is okay cuz efficient low bitrates are teh best!!! MPEG-2 is so inferior to VC-1!!! We luv u, Amir!!!"

The rest is history....

Right...

And what was BD's transition? You never answered my first question.

GLOW · 11-28-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeb

Right...

And what was BD's transition? You never answered my first question.

Poorly done transfers w/ great audio to awesome transfers w/ great audio

PFC5 · 11-28-2006, 03:16 PM

BD is still in transition because they released the format TWO years before it was ready. Lousy transfers, no HD audio decoders built in, very expensive players (2-3 times the money for a BD player over a HD-DVD player), lesds movies, no internet interactivity unless you replace the surrent offerings next year with the profile2 BD players, excuses, excuses excuses as to why HD-DVD has the BD format beat on all the above.

GLOW · 11-28-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Lousy transfers

Thousands of people would like to disagree with you on that. Don't worry, though, you should be safe on this forum.

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very expensive players (2-3 times the money for a BD player over a HD-DVD player)

The cheapest BD player is $500 and full-featured. The cheapest HD DVD player is $500 and doesn't have nearly the same amount of features. Don't say 360 add-on, we all know that is 1/2 of an HD player and it doesn't count as being $200 because you need to buy a $400 console first. The HD DVD equivalent of the $500 BD player costs $1000 and hasn't been released yet.

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excuses, excuses excuses as to why HD-DVD has the BD format beat on all the above.

Where are the excuses for why HD DVD hasn't garnered more studio support since it is selling SO EXTREMELY WELL. I remember quite a few people here claiming that Disney would be neutral by this Christmas... what happened to those claims? Don't give me any excuses why you still only have UNiversal.

stchman · 11-28-2006, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLOW

Thousands of people would like to disagree with you on that. Don't worry, though, you should be safe on this forum.

The cheapest BD player is $500 and full-featured. The cheapest HD DVD player is $500 and doesn't have nearly the same amount of features. Don't say 360 add-on, we all know that is 1/2 of an HD player and it doesn't count as being $200 because you need to buy a $400 console first. The HD DVD equivalent of the $500 BD player costs $1000 and hasn't been released yet.

Where are the excuses for why HD DVD hasn't garnered more studio support since it is selling SO EXTREMELY WELL. I remember quite a few people here claiming that Disney would be neutral by this Christmas... what happened to those claims? Don't give me any excuses why you still only have UNiversal.

Where can I get a BD player for $500?

mshulman · 11-28-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stchman

Where can I get a BD player for $500?

I think he's referring to the PS3. IF you can find one, its either $500 or $600. IF you actually can find one, it will be likely to be the $600 unit.

FYI - 360 with HD-DVD can be bought for just $500 as well. With the micro center deal on the 360, you could have had both for $400.

Steeb · 11-28-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Poorly done transfers w/ great audio to awesome transfers w/ great audio

Awesome transfers like the one for Talladega Nights?

1080i Ownz · 11-28-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeb

Awesome transfers like the one for Talladega Nights?

hahaha..... glown3d

junehhan · 11-28-2006, 07:51 PM

You do that, and we'll continue to enjoy watching the latest high definition movies on our high definition TV's with some people listening to the latest in lossless high def audio while you play the waiting game. I hope the wait isn't too long for your sake, as there are lots of people in the same boat as you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scamp

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

I'm sorry Sony and I'm sorry Toshiba (et. el.) but you can each tout the wonders of your new hi-definition players until the cows come home and it won't make a bit of difference to me. I just want to watch movies. That's it. End of story. There is no way in hell I'm going to pay for a new player that will let me watch some movies but not others. It's absurd. It ain't gonna happen.

So here are your options:

1. Release ALL movies from ALL studios on both formats.
2. Release a good quality dual format player at a reasonable price
3. Give up entirely on one format or the other.

Until one of those scenarios happens, I'll just have to keep watching my "old" DVD's.

Oh and you can also plan on a little less revenue coming your way, because I'm also holding off on purchasing that new plasma set and any new DVD's until you solve this issue.

GLOW · 11-28-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1080i Ownz

hahaha..... glown3d

Do you ever have anything important to add to a conversation other than "pwn3d" and "ROFL"? Your profile says you're almost 30 yet you post like you're a 14 yr old.......

11-28-2006, 02:11 PM	#1
scamp High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 76	Sometimes the only winning move... Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. I'm sorry Sony and I'm sorry Toshiba (et. el.) but you can each tout the wonders of your new hi-definition players until the cows come home and it won't make a bit of difference to me. I just want to watch movies. That's it. End of story. There is no way in hell I'm going to pay for a new player that will let me watch some movies but not others. It's absurd. It ain't gonna happen. So here are your options: 1. Release ALL movies from ALL studios on both formats. 2. Release a good quality dual format player at a reasonable price 3. Give up entirely on one format or the other. Until one of those scenarios happens, I'll just have to keep watching my "old" DVD's. Oh and you can also plan on a little less revenue coming your way, because I'm also holding off on purchasing that new plasma set and any new DVD's until you solve this issue.

11-28-2006, 02:27 PM	#2
hdtv4me2 Go Bruins! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,284	Well options 1, 2 or 3 aren't going to happen anytime soon. I guess the only thing I can say is "more for us"! __________________ Family Room Panasonic TH-50PX50U Samsung SIR-TS160 Toshiba HD-XA1 Sony HT-1750DP CM 4228 w/ CM7775 Master Bedroom Samsung TSN3084WHD Samsung SIR-TS360 Sony SLV-D360P Basement Samsung HLN507W Directv H10 Sony DVP-NS725P XBox360 with HD DVD Add On

11-28-2006, 03:16 PM	#8
PFC5 Former Super Moderator - RIP Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 38,295	BD is still in transition because they released the format TWO years before it was ready. Lousy transfers, no HD audio decoders built in, very expensive players (2-3 times the money for a BD player over a HD-DVD player), lesds movies, no internet interactivity unless you replace the surrent offerings next year with the profile2 BD players, excuses, excuses excuses as to why HD-DVD has the BD format beat on all the above. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

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