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Old 11-30-2012, 04:43 PM   #16
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I am surprised anybody today would own HD DVDs and somehow believe Oppo would make an HD DVD player but I guess if he hadn't followed the history, that could happen.
I didn't say I believed Oppo would make an HD DVD. I said I hope Oppo would include HD DVD playback capability in their high end model, since it already plays every other 5" shiny disc under the sun. It is too much too hope for? That's up for debate, but there are at least 20 million HD DVDs out there so I don't think it's out of realm of possibility.

Besides, HD DVD has over 100 exclusives on the format and a few dozen more that have superior PQ to the BD version so it would be a welcome feature for the true videophile.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:26 AM   #17
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Oppo can play every other shiny disc under the sun, so I think they should enable it for HD DVD playback as well. At least on their higher end model (like the 95 or 105). The format war is long over, geez, so I don't think there's any threat of a comeback if one high end player offers it and I think Oppo would benefit from it.
I don't think it would be any more likely than enabling a VHS-VCR to play Beta-Max.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:38 AM   #18
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Sacd and dvd-a, what else? How you can classify them as successful formats is beyond me.

Oh, so a few releases still trickle out? Whooptedoo, they still do on HD DVD as well.
Don't count out SACD just yet. There have been some high profile releases this year & a lot more scheduled in 2013. It seems to be resurrecting itself from the land of dead formats.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:47 AM   #19
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Don't count out SACD just yet. There have been some high profile releases this year & a lot more scheduled in 2013. It seems to be resurrecting itself from the land of dead formats.
Glad to hear it. I'm sure audiophiles are very pleased and hopefully the release trend will continue up.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:55 AM   #20
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I didn't say I believed Oppo would make an HD DVD. I said I hope Oppo would include HD DVD playback capability in their high end model, since it already plays every other 5" shiny disc under the sun. It is too much too hope for? That's up for debate, but there are at least 20 million HD DVDs out there so I don't think it's out of realm of possibility.

Besides, HD DVD has over 100 exclusives on the format and a few dozen more that have superior PQ to the BD version so it would be a welcome feature for the true videophile.
I didn't say successful, you said failed. SACD and DVD-A are the tiniest of niche formats in existence, only HD DVD was tinier and it disappeared. Disappearance after a brief existence is what I would call failed. This isn't a black and white situation, with only failed and successful, there is room between those catagories. I wouldn't call Blu-ray a financial success by any stretch, but it isn't a failed product, it is the most successful product of its type, 1080p packaged media, and a mainstream product. It is not the financial success that DVD and CD were during their run, not even close.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:38 PM   #21
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I didn't say successful, you said failed. SACD and DVD-A are the tiniest of niche formats in existence, only HD DVD was tinier and it disappeared. Disappearance after a brief existence is what I would call failed. This isn't a black and white situation, with only failed and successful, there is room between those catagories. I wouldn't call Blu-ray a financial success by any stretch, but it isn't a failed product, it is the most successful product of its type, 1080p packaged media, and a mainstream product. It is not the financial success that DVD and CD were during their run, not even close.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:46 PM   #22
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I don't think any existing disc drive can play all formats including HD DVD. I believe the only players ever capable of playing Blu-ray and HD DVD could not play SACD, which has a CD mimic layer on DVD media and the special purpose laser & drive assemblies to handle both blue laser formats are different than the assemblies used by Oppo and the couple other companies making universal players now.

Someone more technical that I am can explain the different requirements for HD DVD compared to Blu-ray to explain why the technical challenge would kill the possibility which is already dead for practical reasons, such as no HD DVDs have mean manufactured in about 4 years. I have read that some discs written in HD DVD format on DVD9 media have been offered and I might have even missed a release of a real HD DVD but sales of a few hundred discs does not create demand for a new HD DVD player.

Whatever HD DVDs being used today are being used by people like me, we already have players and won't pay the price necessary to add HD DVD to a premium priced player, increasing the price even more. Of course there are exceptions, just as there is a tiny market for 8-track players today, but it isn't one that will be handled by a premium quality audio hardware manufacturing company.

No chance it ever happens, no company will ever make a universal player with HD DVD. Modifying a CBHD player to play HD DVD would happen first and I can't imagine that will happen.
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I just remembered my LG BH200 would not play the CD layer of hybrid SACD. I tried an SACD in two BH200s just now, the DVD icon lights up rather than CD and it aborts to the home screen without loading. I know LG knows how to make DVD players that will load the CD layer of SACD and when I discovered this issue years ago, I sent LG a support request for a firmware update to fix the issue. It either wasn't fixable or not of enough importance to matter. Like Panasonic, LG never made an SACD player to the best of my knowledge but both companies made DVD players that would play the CD layer of hybrid SACD.
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I don't think any existing disc drive can play all formats including HD DVD. I believe the only players ever capable of playing Blu-ray and HD DVD could not play SACD, which has a CD mimic layer on DVD media and the special purpose laser & drive assemblies to handle both blue laser formats are different than the assemblies used by Oppo and the couple other companies making universal players now.

Someone more technical that I am can explain the different requirements for HD DVD compared to Blu-ray to explain why the technical challenge would kill the possibility which is already dead for practical reasons, such as no HD DVDs have mean manufactured in about 4 years. I have read that some discs written in HD DVD format on DVD9 media have been offered and I might have even missed a release of a real HD DVD but sales of a few hundred discs does not create demand for a new HD DVD player.

Whatever HD DVDs being used today are being used by people like me, we already have players and won't pay the price necessary to add HD DVD to a premium priced player, increasing the price even more. Of course there are exceptions, just as there is a tiny market for 8-track players today, but it isn't one that will be handled by a premium quality audio hardware manufacturing company.

No chance it ever happens, no company will ever make a universal player with HD DVD. Modifying a CBHD player to play HD DVD would happen first and I can't imagine that will happen.
I think a lot of the BDP-103 and BDP-105 owners would like it to have HD DVD playback capability. The highest end owners are also those most likely to own HD DVD or have owned. Like I said, HD DVD still has a lot of exclusives and the way things are going that it will always have some exclusives. The player cost $1000, and it probably won't cost more than $50-$75 to add HD DVD functionality to it, not that much in proportion to the cost of the player. They can also market it as the only player that will play every 5 inch optical disc format ever sold in the U.S., past or present.

I disagree that there is no chance, but I do think it's a small chance. BTW, what happened to Denon players? They were upwards of $3,000 or so, certainly adding $75 in cost to such a price tag would hardly be noticed.

I don't anybody who owns a CHBD player. I think that format is dead or almost dead anyway, so I don' think anyone will trouble themselves over trying to mod that player when so few are sold and future sales look shaky.
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Sacd and dvd-a, what else? How you can classify them as successful formats is beyond me.

Oh, so a few releases still trickle out? Whooptedoo, they still do on HD DVD as well.
could be me, but the Japs are spitting out sacd's like crazy, and dvd audio is still being made, By none other than sony! putting out the re done ELP albums, and more coming. indepndent makers are putting them out still.
Wally world had Lynyrd Skynard dvd audio, no one else had it. And Steve Wilson is doing more.
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I think the real stumbling block is not that an HD DVD playback feature is not marketable, but rather the licensing issues. I don't think Toshiba would allow it.
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Best best Bruce would be to build a HTPC with both BD and HD-DVD drives ( or a dual one if it can still be found).
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Best best Bruce would be to build a HTPC with both BD and HD-DVD drives ( or a dual one if it can still be found).
I've got plenty of drives for an HPTC, and actually now I'm set up to enjoy HD DVD without any hardware or discs at all. I've got about 200 HD DVD isos saved to a few hard drives (mostly Warner titles for backup purposes) and the software TMT5 will play them just fine. I just need to get a faster computer to eliminate the judder.
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