Analysts agree Blu ray victory will help PS3 outsell Xbox 360

Hitachi65SWX20B · 02-23-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by awol

Is it that they hate BD? or is it that they hate the slow read speads of the current BD drive in the PS3? It is currently slower than what's possible with DVD, but it will get better. Just like DVD was slower than CD at the time it first came out. I think it's highly possible MS will go with BD for their next console. Either that or a completely proprietary hi capacity disc format.

I think Microsoft is going to pick over HD DVD bones here and use that in the next xbox. By doing that they will also stop piracy of games because no one will have the equipment to burn HD DVD games. If they go that route and if blu ray truly takes off and becomes mass market or close to it they'll use a combo drive using HD DVD for games and blu ray for movies. You heard it here first!

Hitachi65SWX20B · 02-23-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOW

Thanks for posting those links, kamspy. I think some people on this forum don't want to believe that you need more than a standard DVD-9 to fit a 1080p/60 game with high quality visuals and audio. In the next gen, more space WILL be needed and the only real option is Blu-ray.

then why is it that the X360 has more 1080p /60Fps games and dev's like EA and such give X360 1080p/60Fps and the same game on the ps3 has 1080p/30 Fps?

eiger · 02-23-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by awol

And the reason you think this is???

I too think both of the next Sony and MS consoles will utilize a higher speed BD drive. Nintendo I'm not so sure about unless their next console is a little more higher tech than a GameCube on a diet as it is now with the Wii.

Can you tell me what incentive they have to build one? Entertainment and Devices boasted great profits for the first time this last year and it wasn't because of their HD-DVD Add on.

DVD has proven to continue to be a very succesfull and now DeFacto format that still is the most universal and widely accepted formats available that fits the needs of what they do best. Games.

The moment that Microsoft decides to implement BD in their platform they immediately have high royalties and licensing fees that they would pay out the ass for. Microsoft sees this as a loss and they would rather take that money that they would much rather be making by selling games or HD content over XBL. The only way I see it possible is if the demand was high enough, manufacturing costs were low, and there was a potential profit and BD becomes more of a standard. Now I know your going to say, "yah well what about disc capacity". By the time the next gen console becomes available, we'll see HDD drives boasting MUCH higher capacity, advancements in hardware such as smarter GPU processing, smarter caching which will reduce the need for extra storage on physical media.

Just take a look at the recent partnerships with Netflix and other cable companies. Microsoft is big enough and has enough cash to influence the shift to HD over Digitial Distribution and still be the ultimate gaming console and media center without ever moving to Blu-Ray. As unfortunate as it is, I believe Microsoft really sees HDM as a temporary fad and the real story is in High Definition delivered digitally.

Just my opninion though.

ssjLancer · 02-24-2008, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitachi65SWX20B

then why is it that the X360 has more 1080p /60Fps games and dev's like EA and such give X360 1080p/60Fps and the same game on the ps3 has 1080p/30 Fps?

Apparently you cant see me. But the 360 does not have any natively 1080p games. Those are all upscaled 1080p.

EddieDZ · 02-24-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

Apparently you cant see me. But the 360 does not have any natively 1080p games. Those are all upscaled 1080p.

i think it also might be that those devs know how to utilize the 360 more/better over the PS3 during those times since the PS3 was out in the market less time then the 360 and alot of devs have said its easier to program for the 360 also.. . easier to program=easier to make games=cost less to make games=can make games in upscale 1080p ... for the PS3 devs where still learning its tricks. i think this year will be the year for PS3. i cant wait.

bboncorr · 02-25-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

Apparently you cant see me. But the 360 does not have any natively 1080p games. Those are all upscaled 1080p.

And you learned this from where? why do people come here ever month with this nonsense trying to pass it off as a fact. well here is a fact,

The 360 can upscale games to 1080p but there have been games on the 360 which does 1080p native for over a year now.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/sh...put-201816.php

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=12664

the 360 has had the ability to play games in a 1080p native since NBA Street Home Court. that game was released Feb. 2007. Not only has the 360 done 1080p native but but to this point it has also handled 1080p 60fps a whole lot better then the ps3. that's not even debatable considering all the 1080p 60fps games on the ps3 which have frame rate issues when setting the rez that high.

Come with the Facts or don't come at all.

bboncorr · 02-25-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EddieDZ

i think it also might be that those devs know how to utilize the 360 more/better over the PS3 during those times since the PS3 was out in the market less time then the 360 and alot of devs have said its easier to program for the 360 also.. . easier to program=easier to make games=cost less to make games=can make games in upscale 1080p ... for the PS3 devs where still learning its tricks. i think this year will be the year for PS3. i cant wait.

I belive it's going to take a whole lot longer then a year. you are stating it like the 360 is a cake walk. what you are not realizing is the ps3 isn't getting nearly the same support that MS is giving to its devs. sony is basicaly telling devs figure it our for yourself so of course there will be a learning curve. the problem with that is when the comp is working with the devs and you are not there is greater chance for improvment on the console which is getting more support. it's also easier for devs to take a game from the 360 to a PC and vice versa then it would be for the ps3.

i fully understand that the tech is there but there are so many factors which is holding the ps3 back.

less support to the devs, way better building and shading programs on the 360, physical design which holds the ps3's power back from reaching its full potential (one of the main reasons a smooth 1080p 60fps has been a hard achievment for devs, slow load times, needing to download content on the HDD, and devs being forced to place copied content all over the disks to help the load times, ect...), sony's unwillingness to have functions with devs on how to work with the ps3, sony's odd decision to keep secrets over the consoles structure (no upscaler and a few other minor features which took a decent ammount of time for sony to announce to the devs).

i'm not attacking sony only making a breakdown of why it will be hard for sony to overcome the gaming gap that MS has built for itself. i honestly don't feel MS would have nearly the ammount of great games if they decided to not work with devs like sony has done.

hey if sony does it then great for everyone with a ps3, and that includes ME. it would outstanding to use my ps3 for more then a BD player for when company comes over. i rarely use my ps3 for even a BD player anymore so i'm sure it's getting plenty of rest before this gaming Boom we are all hoping for. it will be like owning a brand spanking new ps3.

ssjLancer · 02-25-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bboncorr

And you learned this from where? why do people come here ever month with this nonsense trying to pass it off as a fact. well here is a fact,

The 360 can upscale games to 1080p but there have been games on the 360 which does 1080p native for over a year now.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/sh...put-201816.php

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=12664

the 360 has had the ability to play games in a 1080p native since NBA Street Home Court. that game was released Feb. 2007. Not only has the 360 done 1080p native but but to this point it has also handled 1080p 60fps a whole lot better then the ps3. that's not even debatable considering all the 1080p 60fps games on the ps3 which have frame rate issues when setting the rez that high.

Come with the Facts or don't come at all.

Ok thats 2 games(non graphically intensive games) you named that are natively 1080p.. anything else? the PS3 has at least a dozen.
If MS designed the 360 to handle 1080p games dont you think they would have gave it HDMI inputs from the start since very few HDTV's can take 1080p over component?

steve444 · 02-25-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bboncorr

And you learned this from where? why do people come here ever month with this nonsense trying to pass it off as a fact. well here is a fact,

The 360 can upscale games to 1080p but there have been games on the 360 which does 1080p native for over a year now.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/sh...put-201816.php

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=12664

the 360 has had the ability to play games in a 1080p native since NBA Street Home Court. that game was released Feb. 2007. Not only has the 360 done 1080p native but but to this point it has also handled 1080p 60fps a whole lot better then the ps3. that's not even debatable considering all the 1080p 60fps games on the ps3 which have frame rate issues when setting the rez that high.

Come with the Facts or don't come at all.

I was going to compliment this but then I read the last line.

You sound like a high school kid

steve444 · 02-25-2008, 08:51 AM

This is NOT a fanboy question or a dump on the 360. This is a legit question. So for all of you that want me to learn more about the 360, here's your chance:

Now that the HD-DVD is leaving us shortly, I have to assume the 360 cannot play High Def movies?
Does it upscale DVD's to 720P or higher? If it does, what was the whole point of having a HD-DVD player in the first place?

Thanks!

Cygnus · 02-25-2008, 09:27 AM

And lets not forget that sony rushed the PS3 out with sloppily written dev kits and tools. And sony has not nearly been as helpful with 3rd parties as M$...

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Originally Posted by EddieDZ

i think it also might be that those devs know how to utilize the 360 more/better over the PS3 during those times since the PS3 was out in the market less time then the 360 and alot of devs have said its easier to program for the 360 also.. . easier to program=easier to make games=cost less to make games=can make games in upscale 1080p ... for the PS3 devs where still learning its tricks. i think this year will be the year for PS3. i cant wait.

Cygnus · 02-25-2008, 09:35 AM

Why do you think anyone wants you to learn about 360??

You have some level of education and are familiar with the internet: Google is your friend..

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Originally Posted by steve444

This is NOT a fanboy question or a dump on the 360. This is a legit question. So for all of you that want me to learn more about the 360, here's your chance:

Now that the HD-DVD is leaving us shortly, I have to assume the 360 cannot play High Def movies?
Does it upscale DVD's to 720P or higher? If it does, what was the whole point of having a HD-DVD player in the first place?

Thanks!

bboncorr · 02-25-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

Ok thats 2 games(non graphically intensive games) you named that are natively 1080p.. anything else? the PS3 has at least a dozen.
If MS designed the 360 to handle 1080p games dont you think they would have gave it HDMI inputs from the start since very few HDTV's can take 1080p over component?

that was just a small taste of 1080p native games. I only listed that just to show you the 360 is more then capable of 1080p 60fps and has been for over a year now. man are you being a total homer or are you seriously in the dark on this issue? honestly the XBOX360 has way more then a handful of Native 1080p games, much much more.

again you are showing your ignorant side. sony owned pattents to HDMI builds. this helped Sony cut costs since they were developing it from within. MS did not have that luxery and would have only highered the price of the systems. also remember when the xbox360 was released 1080p and HDMI 1.3 were not finalized as industry specs. nobody knew for sure if 1080p was going to be a final rez so why bother with HDMI when you know it would have driven the console price up and at that time nobody owned 1080p tvs. full 1080p tvs were not a common thing. at that time the majority of HDTV's were 1080i then upscaled to 1080p. then there was HDMI 1.3. HDMI 1.3 wasn't even finalized when the ps3 was released so MS had no way of knowing it would be backwards compatable. when the 360 was released HDMI 1.3 was not backwards compatable but as time went on the specs changed.

so lets say MS released a HDMI 360 only to find 4 years later every TV is being built with HDMI 1.3 and it's not backwards compatable. what kind of sticky situation would MS be in at that point. Sony had the advantage of building the specs eventhough the PS3 is not really HDMI 1.3 with full features.

like someone else said GOOGLE SEARCH is your friend. don't take info from sony fanboy sites and run around forums like these otherwise you're going to get called out on the B.S..

tell me something do you own a 360 or ever play any of the games? why not look on the back of all those games and see how many native 1080p games there are. that articles are from 2006-early 2007 and native 1080p has been a part of the 360 since then. just walk into a gamestop or ebgames and look at the back of all those boxes. also just for the record unless you're playing on a 60" tv 1080p really doesn't add anything to the movie or game especially if you're sitting 10' or more away from the tv. anything else is a myth created by these fanboy sites.

Noct · 02-25-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by steve444

Does it upscale DVD's to 720P or higher? If it does, what was the whole point of having a HD-DVD player in the first place?

If you think that an upconverted SD movie looks the same as a 1080p resolution HD/BD DVD you are in the wrong forum my man. (Lets not forget audio quality as well)

Outside of that the 360 can play lots of HD content. The HD drive isn't going anywhere, the major studios are just going to stop releasing new disks in the second half of this year. There is also a wealth of downloadable HD content on the 360 Marketplace, as well as the strong possibility of an add-on BD drive coming this year as well. You can also stream anything you like off a PC, or play files directly off a USB drive, CD/DVD, Ipod, PSP etc...

They only HD media a 360 cannot currently play is BD, and most industry insiders speculate that is only a matter of time.

bboncorr · 02-25-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by steve444

This is NOT a fanboy question or a dump on the 360. This is a legit question. So for all of you that want me to learn more about the 360, here's your chance:

Now that the HD-DVD is leaving us shortly, I have to assume the 360 cannot play High Def movies?
Does it upscale DVD's to 720P or higher? If it does, what was the whole point of having a HD-DVD player in the first place?

Thanks!

WoW steve you have been around these forums for how long now? i'm surprised this would even be a question for you. it's like this,

upscaling is nowhere near the quality of HD media (bd or HDDVD). when your HDTV upscales SD to HD does it look like a BD or HDDVD? of course it doesn't. there is only so much the player could do to upscale the image. also if that's the case then why is there a upscaler in the PS3 when it has BD. HD DVD and BD are no different image and audio wise? because no upscaler can make a movie look nearly as good as true HD.

if it wasn't that way then why would anyone bother buying a $1,000 player when you can get maybe the best DVD upscalers at $150.

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02-25-2008, 08:51 AM	#55
steve444 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 61	This is NOT a fanboy question or a dump on the 360. This is a legit question. So for all of you that want me to learn more about the 360, here's your chance: Now that the HD-DVD is leaving us shortly, I have to assume the 360 cannot play High Def movies? Does it upscale DVD's to 720P or higher? If it does, what was the whole point of having a HD-DVD player in the first place? Thanks!