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High Definition is the definition of life.
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Kind of interesting if this happens. What about Sony's claims that the extra storage on the BlueRay disc's, would be needed for next generation gaming. I guess they would sell the system for around $399, and then you will see the 360 drop its price, and Sony will still be behind.
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The Bringer of Balance
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Hmm now that would be interesting if it happened. Sony is pretty stubborn. If thats true then they would be admitting that they lied about BR is needed...
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Witty,sarcastic reply of the day-"Sony will still be behind until it sells more consoles"
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America's Team
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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For some reason the link isn't working for me. Can I be a pain in the arse and ask somebody to post the article?
Thanks!
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Gadgetnutz.com reports: "Sony is rumored to be making drastic changes to recapture the market before losing even more of it's command share to the likes of Nintendo (the success story of the holiday season) or the XBox 360 (still suffering in the land of the rising sun, but gaining momentum everywhere else). In a move that is "aimed at family pricing," Sony is rumored to be working on a Playstation 3 that does not include the Blu Ray drive. Whether this will result in the current low-end model having a change, or a newer "entry level" Playstation 3, remains to be seen. However, this is in stark contrast to their previous, egocentric, statements regarding "what kind of consumer"* will be looking at the Playstation 3." Dismal PS3 Launch Forces Sony to Discard Blu Ray GadgetNutz's storybreaking reporter, The Bandito, has uncovered a developing story concerning Sony via his network of industry insiders. On the heels of various industry reports of the lackluster sales of Sony's new Playstation 3 console up to, during, and through the Christmas season, it's no wonder that Sony feels internal pressure to reverse it's course to more profitable waters. Obviously, the number one deficit of the new electronic entertainment device is the sheer number of newly introduced technologies, each with it's own seemingly continuous chain of production pitfalls. This same collection of newly deployed technologies directly impacts the pricing, further straining the retail sales of the Playstation 3. Considering that HDDVD technology is moving towards a broader market of consumers, Blu Ray is taking a considerable hit regardless of the Playstation branding. One doesn't have to pay close attenion, or even take a second glance, to see that Sony, as a large corporation, has dropped the ball in it's own court. It has been reported time and time again that Sony has been facing financial difficulties, having to lay off workers, close plants, and refocus parts of their business. What only a few expected, Playstation 3 sales failed to match even the reduced supply during this holiday season. The affect of this has rippled through the major electronics retailers, creating a need to ship stock from store to store, and further impacting what profit margins retailers expected to see from the launch of a major new platform. The slick new Nintendo Wii and the powerhouse Microsoft XBox 360 managed to dominate the market, taking full advantage of the price differential, supply problems, and even the imagination of the consumer market. The season, in reality, isn't even over, and there is already a new captain at the helm, an almost unprecedented event indicating changes to come. At a cost of over two hundred dollars per drive, the Blu Ray is the force behind the massive cost of the Sony Playstation 3. It is speculated that Sony is bleeding some three hundred bucks per unit, and continues the wild trend of manufacturers losing cash on the console in expectations to get their money back on the software. However, with a scant dozen titles or so, Sony holds little hope of a quick turn around in their fortunes. From it's core, the powerful Cell processor,with it's poor production yields, has added pitfalls to it's on rollout that is compounded by the difficulty in mass producing the Blu Ray in the Playstation 3. The tremendous cost of product, let alone support and delivery costs, may have been a factor in the recent executive level staff changes, but that change (of executives) has pushed the importance of other changes up the ladder of importance. Sony is rumored to be making drastic changes to recapture the market before losing even more of it's command share to the likes of Nintendo (the success story of the holiday season) or the XBox 360 (still suffering in the land of the rising sun, but gaining momentum everywhere else). In a move that is "aimed at family pricing," Sony is rumored to be working on a Playstation 3 that does not include the Blu Ray drive. Whether this will result in the current low-end model having a change, or a newer "entry level" Playstation 3, remains to be seen. However, this is in stark contrast to their previous, egocentric, statements regarding "what kind of consumer"* will be looking at the Playstation 3. To further fuel the fire, Toshiba has been reported to be getting ready to announce at CES (The Consumer Electronics Show) a new HDDVD player in the sub-two hundred dollar range. If these reports hold to be true, Sony's Blu Ray hopes may be dashed in even more markets than just that of the video-game arena. The steep pricing of Blu Ray players already make the Playstation 3 the entry level model, and Toshiba may have just put the nail in the coffin of this format. This holiday season was Sony's chance to leap ahead of the HDDVD format, establishing Blu Ray in the consumer market. Supply problems alone would have likely created problems with Sony's hopes about Blu Ray, but with lackluster sales it is nearly a forgone conclusion. This puts Sony in a terrible position of not only trying to turn their ship around, but if they aren't careful--it could very well sink. A Playstation 3 without Blu Ray technology may save the Playstation from the fate previously seen by Sega's Saturn, but it will be the death nail in the Blu Ray coffin. *For original quote, see Previous Article There you go you pain in the arse...
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America's Team
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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I just bought my PS3 5 days ago, and I love it. However, this article kinda bums me out a bit.
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HD = 65 beautiful inches
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PSN is Free
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Saint John, NB Canada
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i cant see that happening.. if that does happen then developers will be forced to make their games in two different formats! one on blu-ray disc and the other on DVD.. and the DVD version will obviously have limited features due to limited space... maybe even downgraded graphics?.. and even if they do cut out the blu-ray drive its not like they can cut the price down to like $299. it'll still be a expensive system right along the line of the 360($399us, $499can)
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High Definition is the definition of life.
Join Date: Sep 2005
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i've got to imagine games like madden that are developed for 360 then ported to ps3 still only take up 8.5 GB of that massive BR disk. |
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High Definition is the definition of life.
Join Date: Aug 2006
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I'd say that article is nothing but rubbish and completely unsubstantiated. The worst thing Sony can do it fragment their user base by forcing developers to release games on two different types of media. This would be a nightmare for retailers where store retail space is precious, and would make things crazy for developers who would need to program multiple disc versions of a game, and then get them published on different formats. This might be a conspiracy theory, but i'm guessing that sony might have been testing possible leaks within their ranks by deliberately leaking false rumors to certain individuals to see if they will leak confidential inside secrets. If this rumor does become true, i'll buy you a beer the next time any of you guys stop by Cincinnati............
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High Definition is the definition of life.
Join Date: Sep 2004
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I don't believe it either, but I see less of a problem with releasing games: all games would go to regular dvd, and current ps3s would only use the bluray for movies.
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High Definition is the definition of life.
Join Date: Mar 2005
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one thing i like about BR is extras in highdef too. although it is not the deal breaker, HD DVD still a sensible choice for masses, and if Toshiba brings aplayer in $250 range it will kill Bray, I think Bray is in trouble.
only studio support can save it, but it still need to be seen how long can studios support SONY. Even though PS3 is better than Xbox360 (Xbox live and more games are bigger advantage for Xbox360) it is hard to justify the cost of PS3, for me it is good game and entertainment center.
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The Bringer of Balance
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Wow, so you really did believe the sony lies that blur-ray was needed for their games??
This shows that sony may be admitting that they made a huge mistake by trying to force yet another proprietary and expensive crap on consumers. Consumers rejected sony again Quote:
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High Definition is the definition of life.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: McAllen, TX
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I really laughed when I read your abreviation for blu-ray. Bray-ing is exactly what Sony has been doing since this whole mess started.
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Sega does what Nintendont
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: U.S. of A.
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Impossible, they are using BR for the disks the games are being stored on.
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