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Old 12-08-2006, 04:22 AM   #1
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Default Why do people say the PS3 is expensive?

If anything the xbox is a lesser value.

Xbox with ad on comes to the same price as the ps3...
cept the xbox has a 20gig HD?

Somebody shed some light. I'm not a hater for I like both systems.
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:05 AM   #2
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If anything the xbox is a lesser value.

Xbox with ad on comes to the same price as the ps3...
cept the xbox has a 20gig HD?

Somebody shed some light. I'm not a hater for I like both systems.

Well because PS3 forces the consumer to pay for a bluray player even if they don't want it. The 360 HD add on is optional, people who want it can buy it, those who just want games can have that too. I use my 360 purly for gaming, I would be rather upset if I had to pay $200 more for a player I would never use.

And the value gets worse, the 360 comes bundled with all the extra you need right out of the box. Mine came with HD Component cables, Headset, Remote, and Ethernet cable.

The PS3 comes with none of these. That's probably another $200 worth of extras that Sony makes you pay extra for. It blows me away that Sony can't even throw an HD cable in the box. Then again that's another $50 - $100 bucks Sony can drag out of you. Another $50 for a headset, probably $30 for a remote, $20 for an ethernet cable if you don't have an extra one lying around.

So yes the PS3 is expensive.

And yes you are a hater or you wouldn't have brought it up.
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Old 12-08-2006, 07:51 AM   #3
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I respectfully disagree with you on a couple points. The first item is the assumption that everyone is buying the 600 dollar version of the console. The 500 dollar version (should be more to the tune of 450 like japan's but I'll leave it at that) offers blu-ray at only a 100 dollar premium over the 360 (and is just as capable as the 60GB IMO) so it is not necessarily a 200 dollar ripoff as stated (only a 100 dollar "ripoff").

Yes, it is good that the 360 made the HD-DVD drive optional since it is only going to be used for movies only. Personally, I would have paid extra (and probably would have purchased one) to have it built into the console and have MS use it as the format for their games. I think High Density formats make manufacturing and logistics concerning manufacturing much less of a pain in the butt. The added bonus is you can put multiple regions of a game on one disk to help cut manufacturing costs and game manufacturers don't have to concentrate so much on compression if they have to compress data less.

I DO agree with you that sony should have at least included some form of high def cable (components). Components are cheap enough to manufacture where it would not kill them to throw a set in. However, component cables bought for the PS2 work on the PS3 (Which I am currently using). If you don't have these you can get them for five dollars or one penny shipped on eBay like I did. Same way for HDMI cables (monoprice.com, bluejeanscable.com)

The official Microsoft remote was only included with the original shipments of the system. Currently if you want to buy it it goes for 30 dollars (official). The Official PS3 remote is only 25. Of course third party remote prices are incredibly variable so I'll compare only the official options.

Existing PS2 headsets, or any USB headset for that matter, will be recognized by the PS2 hardware. Again very cheap-> free if you know how to use eBay to your advantage.

The PS3 DOES come with an Ethernet cable.

It all boils down to the fact/mistake that sony assumes you had a PS2 with extra accessories that can be used on PS3. So while I agree with you on the premium I do not agree with you that all the accessories that do not come with the PS3 add up to 200 dollars.
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360 is starting to come out with bundles, so yes IMO "AT THIS CURRENT MOMENT IN TIME" the 360 premium is a better value cause you get games with it. however give it time, give it months or maybe 1yr and we will start to see the same bundles for the PS3. You do get slightly afew more things the 360 doesnt have, for the $200(PS3 60g) extra compare to the 360preimum you get 4usb ports, WiFi, multimemory card slots and a 3xtimes larger HDD.(plus blu-ray player) personally thats a steal for only $200 more. and again you can just go with the $500 version which is only $100 more then the premium 360 and you get pretty much the same thing as the 360 except a blu-ray player too. i think this is why alot of people find the 60gb more of a value.

the other problem is is that all these 360boys are saying "Microsoft is giving you the choice to get the HDDVD add on" .. so all those people are compareing the 360 without the HDDVD add on to the PS3 HOWEVER all those people are going out and getting the HD-DVD add on anyway, i'd estimate 90%+ of the people that have a 360 have already gotten the HD-DVD add on($200) which IN THE END it adds up to the same damn thing as the PS3.

conclusion. PS3 and 360 are pretty evening in price range, the only winner in terms of price is the Wii at a mere $250.
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Eddie: I wouldn't say anything about HD-DVD sales without a link on sales stats. Personally I'd love to say the same thing but I have no proof of sales numbers of the drive yet.
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I think the reason why sony didn't bother to put in any component cables is because they want to go HDMI. WHy didn't they put HDMI cables in there then?
Well it's because not all TVs can support HDMI.
Sony doesn't know how long you need.
And some people have different brands that they want to purchase, and different quality preference. People always say, " I can't believe they didn't throw any cables in there." Well, those are the reasons plain and simple.
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There was still nothing stopping them by throwing in component cables IMO. Not trying to defend 360 fanboys but they do have a valid point on that front.
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I think the reason why sony didn't bother to put in any component cables is because they want to go HDMI. WHy didn't they put HDMI cables in there then?
Well it's because not all TVs can support HDMI.
Sony doesn't know how long you need.
And some people have different brands that they want to purchase, and different quality preference. People always say, " I can't believe they didn't throw any cables in there." Well, those are the reasons plain and simple.
There have always been choices for hooking up consoles. The same argument could be made for the XBOX 360, yet the Core system comes with composite A/V cables and the Premium has the component cables (with optical port.)

I can get an HDMI cable for a few dollars. Sony could get one for pennies. Same with the component cable - you know their cost for those cables is probably around a buck or two. Sony was just being cheap.
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Why do people say the Playstation 3 is expensive?

Simple. They are idiots.
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:42 AM   #10
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I find it almost humorous that the majority of the ones complaining the most about the price are 360 owners who do not have any intention of buying a PS3 as if to attempt to dissuade those of us who own a PS3 and are happy with them form wanting to keep them? I personally feel such topics as price should be held only to those who forked over the cash for the system and not those who are shamelessly trying to bash it. I have one, I am VERY happy with it and the value/price point for ME is very nice. If you complain about the price do it by not buying thing as opposed to flooding the forums with the same nonsensical tyraids that have been occurring since well before the launch. yes, that was me being very polite because I am personally sick of such cyclical arguments.
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I find it almost humorous that the majority of the ones complaining the most about the price are 360 owners who do not have any intention of buying a PS3 as if to attempt to dissuade those of us who own a PS3 and are happy with them form wanting to keep them? I personally feel such topics as price should be held only to those who forked over the cash for the system and not those who are shamelessly trying to bash it. I have one, I am VERY happy with it and the value/price point for ME is very nice. If you complain about the price do it by not buying thing as opposed to flooding the forums with the same nonsensical tyraids that have been occurring since well before the launch. yes, that was me being very polite because I am personally sick of such cyclical arguments.

Totally agree. Infact, that is the point i'm trying to get across. People that are complaining that it doesn't come with this and that are 360 owners. I guarentee that sony owners can shell out 5-100$ for hdmi cables if they can wait 3 days in the cold for a ps3.

I think they're just jealous because the 360 only went for 800 or 900 on ebay whereas Sonys went for 1500 or 5grand average. It appears that 360owners seem a little nervous for what sony can bring to the table.
I mean, come one they're already talking about 360s winning the war. Sony has been out 4 weeks and people are saying, sony is done with. LOL!!!!
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I find it almost humorous that the majority of the ones complaining the most about the price are 360 owners who do not have any intention of buying a PS3 as if to attempt to dissuade those of us who own a PS3 and are happy with them form wanting to keep them? I personally feel such topics as price should be held only to those who forked over the cash for the system and not those who are shamelessly trying to bash it. I have one, I am VERY happy with it and the value/price point for ME is very nice. If you complain about the price do it by not buying thing as opposed to flooding the forums with the same nonsensical tyraids that have been occurring since well before the launch. yes, that was me being very polite because I am personally sick of such cyclical arguments.
Let's not forget the topic - Why do people say its expensive?

Simple reason - Its the highest price console this generation and I believe for any generation. And the more expensive of the two units is $200 more than its competition.

In addition it was released a year after the 360 and doesn't really have much more to offer other than bluray. From a gaming standpoint, I think they are both fairly equal. 360 however excels at online gaming.

So, if you can only afford one console and are not interested in bluray, then the PS3 is expensive compare to the alternative. If you want bluray, then the PS3 is a good deal.

In regard to the arguments about people having the 360 getting the addon as well, there is one major difference. You don't have to buy the add on when you buy the 360. You could get a 360 today and get a game or two. Then in a few months, you might decide you want the HD-DVD player and you could get that.

PS3 requires spending $500-600 up front. And then (as mentioned) unless you have stuff from a PS2, you'll need additional cables. And 360 at this time is coming bundledin many places with a game.
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Hero:
What I made were purely observations based on my time spent here, not accusatory comments. If they came across that way my apologies as I was ranting a'la Godson (he's better at ranting than I am BTW. I'm still learning the fine art). The comment in your reply I am referring to was the eBay price. Most PS3's went unpaid at payment time and thus only made a couple hundred over retail which was about the same as a 360. That would not make someone jealous unless they actually paid that much and then found one the next day at MSRP. I just get aggravated because sometimes the maturity level is really high here and others it seems as if ten year old school kids are on the forums making random, un supported comments that one console is better than the other in a very "just because it is" method and then some go even further to make up speculations that are not valid.

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Yes and it was answered improperly. After I corrected the First reply this started spiraling.
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Oh yeah, another thing, in the add on the left of this page, http://www.highdefforum.com/gaming-systems-48/
(which is the page before this) it says xbox can play blu-ray movies. Is that true?

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Totally agree. Infact, that is the point i'm trying to get across. People that are complaining that it doesn't come with this and that are 360 owners. I guarentee that sony owners can shell out 5-100$ for hdmi cables if they can wait 3 days in the cold for a ps3.

I think they're just jealous because the 360 only went for 800 or 900 on ebay whereas Sonys went for 1500 or 5grand average. It appears that 360owners seem a little nervous for what sony can bring to the table.
I mean, come one they're already talking about 360s winning the war. Sony has been out 4 weeks and people are saying, sony is done with. LOL!!!!
I totally disagree.

Look at the 2 consoles. Gaming is very similiar between the two - graphics, gameplay itself..etc. (Personally I hate the controller though).

Compare the 2 feature for feature as well. 360 has more features and they are more developed. And Sony hasn't impressed me much on what they are doing. I find online play to be one of the most important aspects and they completely failed to do anything worthwhile here. From everything I have read, seen..etc.. they have simply copied many of Microsoft's features, but they didn't do it very well.

So, When you can get a Picaso original for $400 or a copy for $600, which would one would you consider expensive?
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