Crysis 2 DX11 input lag

John Rambo · 02-04-2013, 09:25 AM

In preparation of Crysis 3's upcoming release, I decided to replay the old Crysis games to catch up on the story. I made the following discoveries

1) Crysis 1 is in fact a terrible game
2) Crysis 2 has unplayable input lag in DX11 mode

There's nothing you guys can do to help with #1. Its just a bad game. It's poorly optimized, the controls are too sluggish, the aiming is inaccurate, the weapon ballistics are off, the enemies vision is too good, etc.

What I'm concerned with is #2. The game is unplayable in DX11 mode due to some strange input lag. When I move the joystick (or mouse), there is a noticeable lag between the movement of the stick and the movement of the cursor. It makes the game unplayable. If I disable DX11, this issue goes away.

I've read some things on the google machine about this potentially being linked to a certain block of settings (vsync, 60hz, dx11) and was wondering if anyone here had come across this?

railven · 02-04-2013, 10:12 AM

Disable in-game vsync and see if that helps. A lot of the input lag stems from poorly implemented v-sync. If you have Dead Space installed - that is one of the biggest offenders.

From my understanding of how it works, the poorly implemented v-sync grabs 60 frames for the refresh, but it still renders higher so you get a disconnection of input. Since input is on it's own timer, say you were rendering 80 FPS, between Frames 1-5 you moved left 2 degrees, it takes 5 frames for the motion to feel smooth, but because of the bad v-sync, it grabes Frames 1 and 4 which might have a large MS gap, thus you get a jerky feeling + a delayed response.

For starters, v-sync ALWAYS adds input lag. The question is how sensitive you are to it. It's just the nature of v-sync. Since it ties your frame rate to your monitor's refresh rate, so does it tie your input commands, however, bad v-sync is really REALLY bad at exagerrating the input lag.

John Rambo · 02-04-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by railven

Disable in-game vsync and see if that helps. A lot of the input lag stems from poorly implemented v-sync. If you have Dead Space installed - that is one of the biggest offenders.

From my understanding of how it works, the poorly implemented v-sync grabs 60 frames for the refresh, but it still renders higher so you get a disconnection of input. Since input is on it's own timer, say you were rendering 80 FPS, between Frames 1-5 you moved left 2 degrees, it takes 5 frames for the motion to feel smooth, but because of the bad v-sync, it grabes Frames 1 and 4 which might have a large MS gap, thus you get a jerky feeling + a delayed response.

For starters, v-sync ALWAYS adds input lag. The question is how sensitive you are to it. It's just the nature of v-sync. Since it ties your frame rate to your monitor's refresh rate, so does it tie your input commands, however, bad v-sync is really REALLY bad at exagerrating the input lag.

So could I expect driver level Vsync to possibly be better?

I will try this tonight...

Also, in this case, its a hugely noticeable delay that would present a problem to anyone

railven · 02-04-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

So could I expect driver level Vsync to possibly be better?

Driver level v-sync should normally always be better since it caps the frame output.

I believe NV has triple buffering in the CP, so I'd enable that through too.

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

I will try this tonight...

Also, in this case, its a hugely noticeable delay that would present a problem to anyone

Yeah, DS1+2 were the exact same way. Horrible v-sync that capped you at 30 FPS and introduce game breaking input lag.

I'm starting to suspect the same thing will happen with DS3.

Pinoy · 02-04-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by railven

Driver level v-sync should normally always be better since it caps the frame output.

I believe NV has triple buffering in the CP, so I'd enable that through too.

Yeah, DS1+2 were the exact same way. Horrible v-sync that capped you at 30 FPS and introduce game breaking input lag.

I'm starting to suspect the same thing will happen with DS3.

Gah...I hated vsync in DS1 on PC (didn't notice it so much on console) Was the worse feeling ever..being hunted while walking in mud.

John Rambo · 02-04-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

Driver level v-sync should normally always be better since it caps the frame output.

I believe NV has triple buffering in the CP, so I'd enable that through too.

Ok good I'll give that a shot. The jump to DX11 mode is pretty noticeable.

And I think I'm going to skip over Crysis 1/warhead. Maybe I'll enable some cheats and just whiz through it. I can't believe I used to like this game. Its just bad.

jkkyler · 02-04-2013, 12:39 PM

JR- are you playing with the BLack Rock (I believe it is black rock if not then something similar) HD texture pack add-on As good as the game looked before it pretties it up even more.

railven · 02-04-2013, 01:06 PM

Isn't it called something like Mando Texture Pak? I never went back to replay Crysis 2 after the DX11 patch.

I was one of the few people here who slammed Crysis 1. The AI was cheap as shit, it looked pretty but the AI could spot you from a fucking year away and they had auto aim cranked to 11.

I don't have much interest in Crysis 3, but if it's on sale I'd probably snatch it up.

jkkyler · 02-04-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

Isn't it called something like Mando Texture Pak? I never went back to replay Crysis 2 after the DX11 patch.

I was one of the few people here who slammed Crysis 1. The AI was cheap as shit, it looked pretty but the AI could spot you from a fucking year away and they had auto aim cranked to 11.

I don't have much interest in Crysis 3, but if it's on sale I'd probably snatch it up.

I think it might be Maldo (developed by black rock??)

edit : here is a link it is maldoHD and you can see some actual before after screenshots - pretty damn sweet (I have it installed). You have to uninstall it for MP but nobody plays crysis 2 mp as it is essentially cod - small arenas

railven · 02-04-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jkkyler

I think it might be Maldo (developed by black rock??)

edit : here is a link it is maldoHD and you can see some actual before after screenshots - pretty damn sweet (I have it installed). You have to uninstall it for MP but nobody plays crysis 2 mp as it is essentially cod - small arenas

What link?

John Rambo · 02-04-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jkkyler

JR- are you playing with the BLack Rock (I believe it is black rock if not then something similar) HD texture pack add-on As good as the game looked before it pretties it up even more.

I think I have something like Moldano HD texture pack but I'm pretty sure I turned it off.

I only played through Crysis 2 once, in regular DX9 mode right after launch. After that, I installed the above texture mod, along with DX11 mode, and the game hasn't run right since. It crashes, lags, etc. So I never played it again

John Rambo · 02-04-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

Isn't it called something like Mando Texture Pak? I never went back to replay Crysis 2 after the DX11 patch.

I was one of the few people here who slammed Crysis 1. The AI was cheap as shit, it looked pretty but the AI could spot you from a fucking year away and they had auto aim cranked to 11.

I don't have much interest in Crysis 3, but if it's on sale I'd probably snatch it up.

Yep, just googled, its MaLDoHD (dumbass thinks its cool to capitalize random letters)

Crysis 1 is total shit. The AI is ridiculous, but I think the aiming is terrible. I'm always having trouble hitting targets in that game

awol · 02-04-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

Yep, just googled, its MaLDoHD (dumbass thinks its cool to capitalize random letters)

Crysis 1 is total shit. The AI is ridiculous, but I think the aiming is terrible. I'm always having trouble hitting targets in that game

*cough – no halo style aiming assist – *cough

John Rambo · 02-04-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by awol

*cough – no halo style aiming assist – *cough

I'm talking mouse aiming. Its just awful in Crysis. Whatever the reason, its just hard to hit people without wasting a shit ton of bullets. Don't have that problem in any of the other several dozen KBM FPS games I own on PC... Just Crysis

And yes, console shooters with gamepads require aim assist. All have it. Don't make me beat you to death with facts and logic.

jkkyler · 02-04-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

What link?

Oops

here you go
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/10/pr...ancement-pack/

It is worth playing this if you can run it maxxed out it is gorgeous.

02-04-2013, 12:39 PM	#7
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02-04-2013, 09:25 AM	#1
John Rambo Fact Police Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,258	Crysis 2 DX11 input lag In preparation of Crysis 3's upcoming release, I decided to replay the old Crysis games to catch up on the story. I made the following discoveries 1) Crysis 1 is in fact a terrible game 2) Crysis 2 has unplayable input lag in DX11 mode There's nothing you guys can do to help with #1. Its just a bad game. It's poorly optimized, the controls are too sluggish, the aiming is inaccurate, the weapon ballistics are off, the enemies vision is too good, etc. What I'm concerned with is #2. The game is unplayable in DX11 mode due to some strange input lag. When I move the joystick (or mouse), there is a noticeable lag between the movement of the stick and the movement of the cursor. It makes the game unplayable. If I disable DX11, this issue goes away. I've read some things on the google machine about this potentially being linked to a certain block of settings (vsync, 60hz, dx11) and was wondering if anyone here had come across this? __________________ Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better, its not! -Dr. Seuss

02-04-2013, 10:12 AM	#2
railven PLS C SIG: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,904	Disable in-game vsync and see if that helps. A lot of the input lag stems from poorly implemented v-sync. If you have Dead Space installed - that is one of the biggest offenders. From my understanding of how it works, the poorly implemented v-sync grabs 60 frames for the refresh, but it still renders higher so you get a disconnection of input. Since input is on it's own timer, say you were rendering 80 FPS, between Frames 1-5 you moved left 2 degrees, it takes 5 frames for the motion to feel smooth, but because of the bad v-sync, it grabes Frames 1 and 4 which might have a large MS gap, thus you get a jerky feeling + a delayed response. For starters, v-sync ALWAYS adds input lag. The question is how sensitive you are to it. It's just the nature of v-sync. Since it ties your frame rate to your monitor's refresh rate, so does it tie your input commands, however, bad v-sync is really REALLY bad at exagerrating the input lag.

02-04-2013, 01:06 PM	#8
railven PLS C SIG: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,904	Isn't it called something like Mando Texture Pak? I never went back to replay Crysis 2 after the DX11 patch. I was one of the few people here who slammed Crysis 1. The AI was cheap as shit, it looked pretty but the AI could spot you from a fucking year away and they had auto aim cranked to 11. I don't have much interest in Crysis 3, but if it's on sale I'd probably snatch it up.