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Old 12-19-2012, 10:40 AM   #1
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This seems to be the hot button topic and rightly so, I know Fridays shootings scared the hell out of me... Even despite the gruesome facts that are known, is restricting firearms the answer?

I have started looking into times when Assault Rifles were banned here in the US and where guns are outlawed in other countries. However that does not seem to detour acts of violence such as Fridays Newtown shooting..

I myself own a Sig Sauer P250 and a DPMS AR15. Over the last two years I have really gotten into guns and enjoy going shooting at least twice a month. I do not carry my Sig on me nor do I keep it in my car, in Arizona you no longer need a CCW to carry a concealed weapon. Anyone at anytime can be carrying (except where there are signs permitting it).

Anyways, while I am okay with limiting clip size on Assault Rifles, I do not think the answer to ban them will really do us any good. There are people out there who will get there hands on a gun regardless of the laws in place.

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I agree with you Mase, except for limiting magazine size. That will do nothing. The majority of crimes committed with a firearm is with a handgun. While this tragedy is awful, why doesn't anyone say anything about the homicides in Chicago? Averaging 41 a month in a city with some of the most strictest gun laws in the country. They will probably surpass 500 by years end. That is sad. There are a ton of resposible gun owners in this country who aren't committing crimes. Let's not punish the majority for the actions of a few. What needs to be done is something with people with mental health issues. Oh, and let's not blame violent video games either. Sometimes people just do things because they are evil and nothing will ever prevent it from happening.
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I think GUN CONTROL is for sure the answer!!!

Teachers should be armed and taught how to shoot and control their guns!

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Perhaps all the kids should be armed with semi-automatics as well.

"You lookin' at ME" (says Tommy, a seven year old with a Glock.)
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I think GUN CONTROL is for sure the answer!!!

Teachers should be armed and taught how to shoot and control their guns!
Well look at the guy that walked into that gun store and tried to rob it. Didn't everyone in there have a piece and open up on him?
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Perhaps all the kids should be armed with semi-automatics as well.

"You lookin' at ME" (says Tommy, a seven year old with a Glock.)
Then guns will be used to settle everything from "Hey did you steal my lunch?", to "Wat you lookin at ho?".
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Perhaps all the kids should be armed with semi-automatics as well.

"You lookin' at ME" (says Tommy, a seven year old with a Glock.)
I saw on the news this morning that a 7 year old decided to "arm himself" with his father’s hand gun in wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy.. I guess after showing a few fellow classmates of his self-defense ploy, he then threatened some that he would shoot them if they told on him... Hmm, that take a bit of the self-defense part out of it I guess.. Luckily he brought the wrong ammo with him.
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I say NO! If ONE person was armed in the Colo. Theater that night, it would have ended right there. We had local a dude walk in a wireless phone store and start shooting the CS reps, There was an off duty cop in the store who ended it before anyone but the shooter was killed. One rep was shot, and the shooter had a list of them in his pocket. It's the inability of the US to stop guns from getting to mentally unstable people. The kid in the school shooting, his mom had all the guns needed. And she KNEW he was not stable! SHE KNEW!! Take out guns and it just opens the door for anyone to take what thay want. As for me, I will never willingly give up my guns.
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Perhaps all the kids should be armed with semi-automatics as well.

"You lookin' at ME" (says Tommy, a seven year old with a Glock.)
Yeah...

I said don't call me fat, beeatch!



The reality for me is "gun control" wouldn't have stopped this. The kid stole the guns from his mother who purchased them legally.

I do think there are stipulations that can be put in place that make it harder for someone to "quickly" kill someone. But no, it wouldn't have helped in this case.
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I say NO! If ONE person was armed in the Colo. Theater that night, it would have ended right thereSee my response below. We had local a dude walk in a wireless phone store and start shooting the CS reps, There was an off duty cop in the store who ended it before anyone but the shooter was killed.A professional LEO trained to assess and react in such a situation One rep was shot, and the shooter had a list of them in his pocket. It's the inability of the US to stop guns from getting to mentally unstable people. The kid in the school shooting, his mom had all the guns needed. And she KNEW he was not stable! SHE KNEW!! Take out guns and it just opens the door for anyone to take what thay want. As for me, I will never willingly give up my gunsgun control does not mean giving up your guns.
And what happens if that one armed person in the theater gets off a few rounds and hits 2 kids and a mother - what then. LEO are trained to assess and determine when force is necc. and to what degree it is applied. I don't think gun control is the answer to a societal problem but I have no problem with gun registration (so we can figure out where these guns are and where they have been). I think every new gun sold should be registered to a user and a ballistics match on file (prior to any sale) in a fed database so if a crime is committed a ballistics match is already on file. Won't help prevent shootings but will help in the aftermath or give law enforcement a leg up on locating these guns.

Edit:In the theater example above for instance what when the police show up and there is a shootout between the assailant and the armed theater patron. How are the police to know who is the bad guy and who is the 'defender' . WHat if they shoot the armed theater patron who pulled out a piece in defense - can they be sued by that person's family. I think there are a lot of issues you haven't though of. Essentially you want to allow vigilantes and deputize the general public. There is a reason we have trained people for just such occasions. They can't be everywhere and you do have a right to defend yourself but arming more people isn't the answer.
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How do men conceal carry if they are out for a jog? Shoulder holster? Stick it in the back of their pants and hope it doesn't blow them a new a-hole? I really want to know how CCW guys can be quick to the draw if need be....

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What needs to be done is something with people with mental health issues.
What, like a 500 question test to prove you're mentally sound before you can purchase a firearm?

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I saw on the news this morning that a 7 year old decided to "arm himself" with his father’s hand gun in wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy.. I guess after showing a few fellow classmates of his self-defense ploy, he then threatened some that he would shoot them if they told on him... Hmm, that take a bit of the self-defense part out of it I guess.. Luckily he brought the wrong ammo with him.
Here's one of the biggest problems with guns.... DUMB PARENTS. The mother of the killer in CT who took her sons (one of whom was clearly not right in the head) to gun ranges deserved what happened to her imo. If you are going to be a gun owner, you better be responsible which means that your guns won't be accessible to anyone but you, no matter how hard they try. That means a GUN SAFE. Anything else can be broken into. Try to hide your guns from your kids and they will find them. I remember in grade school, I was over at a friend's house and he showed me a revolver his mom had hidden in a box of knitting stuff at the foot of her bed. He found it when he was looking for Christmas presents. If my friend had accidentally shot himself or went on a shooting rampage at school I would've blamed his mother.

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The reality for me is "gun control" wouldn't have stopped this. The kid stole the guns from his mother who purchased them legally.

I do think there are stipulations that can be put in place that make it harder for someone to "quickly" kill someone. But no, it wouldn't have helped in this case.
The killer shot each kid 3-11 times with a semi-automatic assault rifle. He was carrying 3 guns, 2 were handguns. The only time he used a handgun was when he blew his brains out. If he didn't have an AR-15 and his mom didn't train him to be a gun nut, I highly doubt this would've happened.
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BTW - everybody loves to throw out the term "assault rifle"
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The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", as in "to storm a position"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[3] as a new name for the Maschinenpistole 43,[nb 1] subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularise the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.

The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[4][5][6]

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire; (either fully automatic or burst capable)
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) that share designs with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.

The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[7]
People love to throw the assault rifle term around for effect when in fact the vast vast majority of the time the weapon in question (to include the guns we are talking about in the newtown shooting) DO NOT MEET THE ASSAULT RIFLE DEFINITION

There is no such thing as a 'semi-automatic' assault rifle
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The killer shot each kid 3-11 times with a semi-automatic assault rifle. He was carrying 3 guns, 2 were handguns. The only time he used a handgun was when he blew his brains out. If he didn't have an AR-15 and his mom didn't train him to be a gun nut, I highly doubt this would've happened.
But again... Gun control wouldn't have helped this. Unless you're suggesting Mom shouldn't have been allowed to buy the assault rifle. That, to me, is over stepping.

Should the guns have been controlled in the house better? Absolutely. Would it have stopped HIM from legally buying the guns had he decided to? No. So then you do end up punishing the group because of one prick's actions.

Background checks? Fine. I even thought it might be a good idea to limit the amount of ammo someone can buy like we do with pseudophedrine. But even then, there's obvious proof that this has only barely slowed them down. Not stopped them.

I don't say this to make light of the deaths and injuries of the victims. I really don't. But there's more to it than making it harder for someone to get a gun.
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How do men conceal carry if they are out for a jog? Shoulder holster? Stick it in the back of their pants and hope it doesn't blow them a new a-hole? I really want to know how CCW guys can be quick to the draw if need be....



What, like a 500 question test to prove you're mentally sound before you can purchase a firearm?



Here's one of the biggest problems with guns.... DUMB PARENTS. The mother of the killer in CT who took her sons (one of whom was clearly not right in the head) to gun ranges deserved what happened to her imo. If you are going to be a gun owner, you better be responsible which means that your guns won't be accessible to anyone but you, no matter how hard they try. That means a GUN SAFE. Anything else can be broken into. Try to hide your guns from your kids and they will find them. I remember in grade school, I was over at a friend's house and he showed me a revolver his mom had hidden in a box of knitting stuff at the foot of her bed. He found it when he was looking for Christmas presents. If my friend had accidentally shot himself or went on a shooting rampage at school I would've blamed his mother.



The killer shot each kid 3-11 times with a semi-automatic assault rifle. He was carrying 3 guns, 2 were handguns. The only time he used a handgun was when he blew his brains out. If he didn't have an AR-15 and his mom didn't train him to be a gun nut, I highly doubt this would've happened.
Um no. Maybe getting them treatment or comitted into an istitution(which is what his mother was trying to do). Let's not forget he was denied a firearms purchase prior to doing this. Like Awol said, he stole them. And we don't know how the weapons were stored. They may have been locked up. Who knows. An AR15 is just as deadly as a handgun. Don't forget the Virginia Tech shooter back in '07 used 2 Glock pistols to murder 34 people. Has nothing to do with having an AR15. The biggest school massacre occurred in 1927 when a nutjob killed 45 using dynamite. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters and Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. End result is still the same.
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The killer shot each kid 3-11 times with a semi-automatic assault rifle. He was carrying 3 guns, 2 were handguns. The only time he used a handgun was when he blew his brains out. If he didn't have an AR-15 and his mom didn't train him to be a gun nut, I highly doubt this would've happened.
That's hard to say though. If a person wants a gun bad enough, they'll get one. If there's a will there's a way. You guys live in a country where firearms are easily accessible (more so than up here anyways). Someone just said here at work that there are 85 guns per 100 people in the US, whoa.
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