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Old 07-10-2010, 12:34 PM   #1
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i copied this from another forum and wanted to share here to hear what others think. I copied the exact post and link, its not my reserch but i was completely Amazed!

" I have a sneaking suspicion MS are working very hard on head tracking 3D. If they can pickup minute enough details with the Kinect camera the effect of head tracked 3D will be astounding, and it works on plain old displays, so doesn't significantly impose on GPU power, and doesn't require expensive tv's.

Head Tracking for Desktop VR Displays using the WiiRemote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw

Johnny Chung Lee (the creator of the above video) now works for Microsoft. If MS do implement this form of 3D with Kinect that'll explain the no news (they'll save it for launch), as well as the highish street price. I doubt any gamer would have issue with paying $149 for an accessory that transforms their existing display into 3D glasses free display.

Between this possibility and the 3DS, Sony must be sh1tting themselves."
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It's nothing new really, has been done and shown off before on other platforms. Only real advantage Kinect would have over them is not having to have some sort of beacon on the users head. A disadvantage of this type of 3d is it only works for one person at a time, onlookers will not get the the full 3d effect. Actually they might get motion sick
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Ive never seen it before let alone on other platforms, not saying it hasn't been done but this is on a 40 wiimote with the exact principles the kinect is based on. This completely blows the new must have 3D tvs outta the water let alone all the other gear to make them work.

Games would only be one player like you said but movies would be completely different as all viewers share the same point of view, ie... movies aren't free roam like games.

Im sure if reserched properly some sort of work around could be had to make it work for two plus players during gaming.

To me, this is huge! if you really think about what jonny lee did with a 40 dollar wiimote and is now part of the kinect team. Something big is brewing in the world of gaming and 3D gaming. like my first post read, maybe this why MS didn't have much to say about glasses style 3D gaming at E3. they have something like this up their sleeve and are not about to unveil it yet.
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3D really sucks for me.

Probably means my Epson 1080p projector and HDMI 1.3a Onkyo is going to be obsolete and won't pass the needed signal
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Ive never seen it before let alone on other platforms, not saying it hasn't been done but this is on a 40 wiimote with the exact principles the kinect is based on. This completely blows the new must have 3D tvs outta the water let alone all the other gear to make them work.
VR head tracking on ps3 two years ago.

Head tracking on PC... no Kinect super camera required.

Don't get too excited just yet.

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Games would only be one player like you said but movies would be completely different as all viewers share the same point of view, ie... movies aren't free roam like games.
For the 3d effect the screen motion has to match the viewers motion. There is no way to simulate that for two people at the same time unless you want to tape their heads together.

And remember that unless the viewer is actually moving then there is NO 3d effect.
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Im sure if reserched properly some sort of work around could be had to make it work for two plus players during gaming.
Other than telling them to get two consoles and two tv's this will be 'NO'.
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To me, this is huge! if you really think about what jonny lee did with a 40 dollar wiimote and is now part of the kinect team. Something big is brewing in the world of gaming and 3D gaming. like my first post read, maybe this why MS didn't have much to say about glasses style 3D gaming at E3. they have something like this up their sleeve and are not about to unveil it yet.
Yeah, it's really cool. Don't get me wrong I think it would be really fantastic if MS could whip something up like this for Kinect. I'm just saying I don't think it'll be all the new OMG rage in gaming anytime soon
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Sounds really nice, but right now the Kinect only works if you're standing up.
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Neat.

Although I can watch 3D on my 3DTV while sitting comfortably on the couch without moving my head.
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Kinect also won't work with the 3DTVs we have today.
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This is friggin amazing!

No wonder one of the MS guys wanted to spill the beans but didn't...

gizmodo . com / 5565657/xbox-360-kinect-teases-the-next-era-of-computing

"Kinect isn't going to replace the controllers that have worked for those types of games for the last decade—that's not what we're trying to do. Kinect will work alongside those controllers for hardcore games. For throwing a grenade, for vocal commands, for..."

"For head tracking??"

"Yes, head tracking! Exactly." He gets a big smile. He wants to say more. Bound by Microsoft confidentiality agreements, he can't."

head tracking! woohoo!!!! i wish he could break NDA.
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree about head-tracking 3D being cool. I would think it to be terribly annoying to have to move my head all around the damn room while playing a game.

If Microsoft wants to make 3D games, that's fine by me, but they should put out an XBOX with the capability of displaying on a 3DTV so that the only "out of the ordinary" thing I have to do is put on shutter glasses.

I'm not interested in constantly moving my head around just to see 3D.
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree about head-tracking 3D being cool. I would think it to be terribly annoying to have to move my head all around the damn room while playing a game.

If Microsoft wants to make 3D games, that's fine by me, but they should put out an XBOX with the capability of displaying on a 3DTV so that the only "out of the ordinary" thing I have to do is put on shutter glasses.

I'm not interested in constantly moving my head around just to see 3D.
When I first wanted head tracking, it was merely for seeing the environment better. For example, to race, you could turn your head to the left or right to see to the left or right. Or for flight sims. To tilt your head up or around to see fighters coming from the side or behind. I could definitely use it for the Snoopy game.

Check out the TrackIR demos for the PC. That's what I was expecting and if that's all headtracking was, I would still love it. And it's a completely natural motion because it simply takes advantage of your vestibulocochlear reflexes. One of the reflexes that allow to keep tracking an object even when you're moving your head. Read what the fans of that system say about it.

Before seeing this demo, I had no clue that headtracking would give a 3D effect.

I still think real 3D is a big future when it doesn't require glasses. The next gen of game consoles will have enough horses to do 3D without sacrificing resolution and framerate like you see with the PS3.

Going back to SD level resolution to achieve 3D is not worth it. Read what happened to Killlzone and Motorstorm, the pinnacle of PS3 graphics and how the resolution is severely compromised because you ahve to render two sets of frames.

www . engadget . com/2010/06/16/playstation-3-in-3d-impressions-almost-but-not-quite/
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I don't have to read some Engadget article about some guys playing PS3 games underneath some bright lights (not the best idea) to know about 3D PS3 games, because I have a 3DTV and have played some 3D PS3 games.

The fact is that you don't really care about the drop in resolution because it's worth it, at least to me, for the 3D effect. In fact the games I've play look fine.

What does bother you is the drop in framerate. Unless somebody figures out how to really flex the PS3, this is the biggest issue, not resolution.

If you want 3D gaming and are picky about these things, then wait for the next generation of consoles...
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Head tracking has been around for ages in the PC realm and hasn't taken off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AO0F5sLdVM#t=50s

It looks pretty cool to me, but like Kinect, I'm not spending $150 on it.
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well if johnny lee does something like this with kinect (why else would MS hire him for project natal), Im sold! he managed to do that with a simple wiimote and wii, just imagine what he could do with something much more sophisticated like the kinects camera system and X360 CPU as apposed to the wiimote and a wii CPU.

for me, two days ago the kinect was just a motion controller for simple party style games. Today a huge door opened up on the possibility of what the future of the kinect could actually be and is completely capable of.

If you follow the trail of popcorn long enough, you'll see that this is where MS is going with the kinect. why else would they have hired johnny?
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He didn't really invent anything. Look at the link I posted. That's been around longer than the Wii remote. He just found a way to repurpose an everyday item. The Track IR technique (same as Jonny's) was first commercialized in 2001.

Can Microsoft take a 10 year old tech and bring it to the living room? I guess we'll see.
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