PSN subscriptions for 2010

Cygnus · 11-22-2009, 09:48 PM

I dunno... For this gen BD will be niche market; no real need for it esp since this gen is in the mature stage. 360 still has about a 7 million lead worldwide; a lead that takes some time to obtain. By the time this console gen ends, even if PS3 does catch up, 360 will be considered a success in sales (nearly doubling XB sales), and PS3 will be a disappointment (less than half of PS or PS2 sales).

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Originally Posted by PFC5

IMO, MS has to either be cheaper (including accessories) or they need to add BD playback to compete over the long run. AFAIK, PS3 is catching up with the 360 worldwide, so it is more likely a question of when, more than IF the PS3 catches up.

**PFC5** · 11-23-2009, 12:17 AM

I don't want to fight about the console war, but with the price drop on the PS3 to $300.00 now I suspect that the PS3 will begin to play catchup.

Also how many of those 360 sales are people re-buying it because the previous 360 broke? In the little time I have read the posts around here it seems many have bought more than one, and just about everyone has had the RRoD with their 360. It seems that quite a few of those sales were the result of repeat buying because of the poor build quality of the 360.

I am not a MS hater but the design of this 360 was poorly conceived and designed IMO. How can so many people be willing to get gouged repeatedly with ONLY these "official" accessories that are multiple times more expensive for the 360 because they are proprietary? Now they are banning consoles because they didn't use an "official" Hard drive that costs something like 3x the money it should? That alone would make me jump ship if I had bought a 360 before a PS3.

I guess we will see a lot of new 360 sales since the banning of over 1 million consoles and I bet many people will just buy another one which will pad those 360 sales once again. When do you guys decide enough is enough and jump off this roller coaster ride of getting gouged repeatedly? I just do not get this.

scsa · 11-23-2009, 04:35 AM

Amen PFC5. Oh and PFC5 you are right its really stupid that Microsoft can count those that they banned as people who are buying a new system its there fault we would have to buy a new one and yet they can count more people buying the 360 because of a stupid thing like banning.

MikeRox · 11-23-2009, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cygnus

I dunno... For this gen BD will be niche market; no real need for it esp since this gen is in the mature stage. 360 still has about a 7 million lead worldwide; a lead that takes some time to obtain. By the time this console gen ends, even if PS3 does catch up, 360 will be considered a success in sales (nearly doubling XB sales), and PS3 will be a disappointment (less than half of PS or PS2 sales).

It depends how long the gen continues to last regarding BDs relevance. It's only now IMO starting to come to the point in life for BD that DVD was at when the PS2 launched with DVD playback.

If the gen ends in 2011, it will be a close call. The way these systems are being spruced up with "relaunches" however, I can see it being 2012 onwards before new hardware releases. The US is clearly the only location the 360 will perform any better than 3rd.

Who's perspective are you talking from regarding sales? Doubling sales but not making any money will still be a dissapointment for Microsoft, especially given how the odds were stacked in their favour for a long period of time. Any console selling 50m units is an achievement, this gen the Wii has already exceeded that, and I can see the PS3 managing it in lifetime sales, the 360... also a possibility.

The 360 I don't see doing much more now until Natal and I think it's future performance depends on how well Natal is received and how well Natal functions.

The PS3 on the otherhand is just finally starting to come into its stride. March 2010 is the equivalent of September 2007 for the 360. So we shall see what happens then.

There is only 1 manufacturer this gen who hasn't had dissapointing sales and that is Nintendo plain and simple. I love the little double standard for MS whereby if they don't break even, they've done really well because they're the "new boys" while the other manufactuers are failing because they sold X million last gen. Each gen resets the stakes. Surely the rise and fall of Atari, Sega, Nintendo (rising again it woudl seem) etc. clearly demonstrates that there is no reason the 360 couldn't have been market leader this gen if handled correctly.

railven · 11-23-2009, 06:34 AM

Hey cool, I read my name twice! I'm a celebrity, can I get my own thread now?

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Hmm, To railven... I guess I was off in my prediction.

I HONESTLY cant be the only one who thought this was going to happen. But like everyone has said, now it just depends on what is offered in the pay service to justify it. Also, how much will it cost?

I'm sure you're aren't the only one, or first, to ponder this, but you were the first, that I read posting, to openly request a subscription service (and from my own personal experience, going from free to pay doesn't always increase functionality.)

I got nothing with anyone paying for a service they want/use. If Sony's PSN went pay-only, cross it off my list. I don't need it, even at $1 a month (XBL @ even $3, no dice!.) That's too much, for me, for a service I barely use (online on consoles) and I will never, EVER, pay to play consoles (or at that certain games) online.

Now, the hypocrit in me is I bend over and take it from Blizzard with their World of Warcraft subscription haha. But, I NEED that. Addiction is a bitch! haha.

MikeRox · 11-23-2009, 07:44 AM

thing is, if your playing world of borecraft (

J/K don't kill me) every night, you haven't got time to play real games online so its a waste of $$$. I'm regretting buying a 12 month XBL sub right now, as it's been playing online gaming for about 3 hours so far and I'm 7 months into it

. Really need to get some co-op goodness going soon on it. Hopefully Xmas week off will be a great chance to play online.

In general though I have to say, I just enver seem to get around to taking games online.

EddieDZ · 11-23-2009, 08:55 AM

my brother in laws 360 just choked.. he said it doesnt play any disc games but it also wont load up any games or demos on the HDD, he is on his 3rd 360!! he either now has to pay to get it fix or get a new one which will be his 4th 360 then!!.. i couldnt believe when he told me, and he literally just picked up MW2! sucks to be him.

Mase · 11-23-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

1)Also how many of those 360 sales are people re-buying it because the previous 360 broke? In the little time I have read the posts around here it seems many have bought more than one, and just about everyone has had the RRoD with their 360. It seems that quite a few of those sales were the result of repeat buying because of the poor build quality of the 360.

2) I am not a MS hater but the design of this 360 was poorly conceived and designed IMO. How can so many people be willing to get gouged repeatedly with ONLY these "official" accessories that are multiple times more expensive for the 360 because they are proprietary?

3) Now they are banning consoles because they didn't use an "official" Hard drive that costs something like 3x the money it should? That alone would make me jump ship if I had bought a 360 before a PS3.

4) I guess we will see a lot of new 360 sales since the banning of over 1 million consoles and I bet many people will just buy another one which will pad those 360 sales once again. When do you guys decide enough is enough and jump off this roller coaster ride of getting gouged repeatedly? I just do not get this.

1)
If you use this logic like I have tried to in the past it just shows how the 360 is more of a gaming device than the PS3. How can it have the highest attach rate and yet most of its sales are resells. Obviously we have no idea how many are resells, but using your logic it just shows that people who own a 360, buy and play a lot of games..

2)
No argument here, I dont have problems with mine, aside from my original that I gave to my friend after buying an Elite. But hey my launch 60Gb was slowly dying once I started gaming on it, sooo.. YLOD is starting to become a trend, I always said that its not apples to apples to compare console breakage, because the PS3 before 2009 was seldom used. Now that games are a plenty, there is a lot of horror stories...

3)
This has not been confirmed, so a link would be nice as the reports were people being banned for having modded consoles and playing backup games.. Not for having HDDs that were not liscened, in fact the only thing I heard was people losing out on using 3rd party memory cards, not HDDs...

4)
I dont feel bad for people who bought a used 360 and it was banned, or those who modded and were banned.. If you are not smart enough do your homework, than stuff like that can happen.. Also you are taking things out of context (jumping ship), not every 360 owner has these troubles, I honestly would not stay if it were this prevalent. You also seem to forget that the Sony as arrogant as they were has only barely started delivering on the promises they made over 3 years ago..

Its only the fanboys who would argue different as games were scarce (good ones) and multi plats were soo inferior I had ZERO intrest in gaming on my 60gb prior to this year.. In fact this year was a huge turning point for Sony and I hope they continue, but even with all of the 360's troubles we have still had a constant stream of solid titles and online experience. That is something we did not have to wait 2+ years for..

Dont get me wrong PFC5, I love what Sony has done this year and I game on it more than ever (which is probably why my 60Gb was dying) but its a trade off and one I accept. You are a PS3 only guy which means you can get used to inferior online services and gaming selection (Pre 2009 for gaming), while I went multi console and am glad I did, the PS3 for me was my intro to Blu Ray and a solid media center. The 360 came into the game with a solid strategy and did not pull a Sony where it promised everything but delivered very little.

Essentials were not tacked on later for Live, while Sony says rumble is last gen and people who play the Playstation dont need achievements, but yet that is what people want, its just Sony didnt give a damn.. They have been humbled and are better for it, but if I were a PS3 only guy I would be extremely bitter and would have jumped ship long ago... Its only now where I can honestly encourage others to go out and buy a PS3 because its catalog is filling up daily and the Slim is more solid than ever...

II SAL II · 11-23-2009, 10:57 AM

PS3 vs Xbox360

Xbox360 wins because of this:

railven · 11-23-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

thing is, if your playing world of borecraft (

J/K don't kill me) every night, you haven't got time to play real games online so its a waste of $$$. I'm regretting buying a 12 month XBL sub right now, as it's been playing online gaming for about 3 hours so far and I'm 7 months into it

. Really need to get some co-op goodness going soon on it. Hopefully Xmas week off will be a great chance to play online.

In general though I have to say, I just enver seem to get around to taking games online.

Neither console has any games that make me want to play CO-OP. I can't think of a single title on either console out at the moment that makes me think to myself "this is word playing online with a friend."

That is one of the big reasons why I won't pay for XBL. Give me some games worth playing online, and you'll get my $3 a month. Until then, I don't need to pay you to let me stream Netflix. I got two devices that can do that - free!

**PFC5** · 11-23-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mase

1) If you use this logic like I have tried to in the past it just shows how the 360 is more of a gaming device than the PS3. How can it have the highest attach rate and yet most of its sales are resells. Obviously we have no idea how many are resells, but using your logic it just shows that people who own a 360, buy and play a lot of games..

I bet many/most gamers spend more time playing games than playing movies anyway and this would likely use more power and tax a system than movies, but the 360 had a separate drive and didn't tax the 360 when playing HD DVDs like I am sure the PS3 does. The fact is that the 360 is a horribly designed machine with a very high breakdown ratio that even the big time 360 fans admit to because it is the truth. I have a launch 60GB PS3 that is used heavily for BD movies and gaming. Other than COD4,5 & 6, it is my kids who use the gaming and I am not much of a gamer otherwise anymore.

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2) No argument here, I dont have problems with mine, aside from my original that I gave to my friend after buying an Elite. But hey my launch 60Gb was slowly dying once I started gaming on it, sooo.. YLOD is starting to become a trend, I always said that its not apples to apples to compare console breakage, because the PS3 before 2009 was seldom used. Now that games are a plenty, there is a lot of horror stories...

It was always used by my kids and for a lot of BD movies since 11/2006 in my house also. They always use it for PS2 games also. I suspect sooner or later mine will break also, but I bet the breakage factor on the 360 is multiple times (maybe 3-4x) greater than on the PS3 based on what I have read.

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3) This has not been confirmed, so a link would be nice as the reports were people being banned for having modded consoles and playing backup games.. Not for having HDDs that were not liscened, in fact the only thing I heard was people losing out on using 3rd party memory cards, not HDDs...

I am only going by the threads and links from here. That is what was said and posted. If it is wrong then I will stand corrected. The problem is MS is so arrogant they refuse to say WHY the consoles are getting banned.

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4) I dont feel bad for people who bought a used 360 and it was banned, or those who modded and were banned.. If you are not smart enough do your homework, than stuff like that can happen.. Also you are taking things out of context (jumping ship), not every 360 owner has these troubles, I honestly would not stay if it were this prevalent. You also seem to forget that the Sony as arrogant as they were has only barely started delivering on the promises they made over 3 years ago..

I do feel bad for those who buy a banned used 360. Someone/parents trying to get a 360 when funds are tight for their kids who do not know about consoles being banned get screwed.

No question Sony is about as arrogant as they come for corps. I find it funny that MS who has in their history cried about open standards and now THEY are the ones going proprietary, while Sony who I have avoided for many years because they found ways to make their devices MORE proprietary than anyone else is not much more open with the PS3. The irony is just too funny for me.

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Its only the fanboys who would argue different as games were scarce (good ones) and multi plats were soo inferior I had ZERO intrest in gaming on my 60gb prior to this year.. In fact this year was a huge turning point for Sony and I hope they continue, but even with all of the 360's troubles we have still had a constant stream of solid titles and online experience. That is something we did not have to wait 2+ years for..

Not being a huge gamer this was/is lost on me compared to hard core gamers. All I know is with all the hardware troubles the 360 has had, the gouging proprietary accessories that if not used can get you banned without any recourse or someone to dispute it with would turn me off completely as a matter of principle regardless of how much I love the gaming console. I love movies and will not let the studios gouge me either. I would change hobbies on principle alone. But that is just me.

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Dont get me wrong PFC5, I love what Sony has done this year and I game on it more than ever (which is probably why my 60Gb was dying) but its a trade off and one I accept. You are a PS3 only guy which means you can get used to inferior online services and gaming selection (Pre 2009 for gaming), while I went multi console and am glad I did, the PS3 for me was my intro to Blu Ray and a solid media center. The 360 came into the game with a solid strategy and did not pull a Sony where it promised everything but delivered very little.

I am not the same level of gamer you are and maybe that is why it didn't bother me as much, but see my reply just above this one about principle being what would drive me away form the 360 even if I were.

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Essentials were not tacked on later for Live, while Sony says rumble is last gen and people who play the Playstation dont need achievements, but yet that is what people want, its just Sony didnt give a damn.. They have been humbled and are better for it, but if I were a PS3 only guy I would be extremely bitter and would have jumped ship long ago... Its only now where I can honestly encourage others to go out and buy a PS3 because its catalog is filling up daily and the Slim is more solid than ever...

I am thinking of getting a slim PS3 to replace the launch PS3 and move the original into the kid's tv/gaming room so they can still use it for PS2 games. I may wait another year though due to funds and Christmas coming.

**kamspy** · 11-23-2009, 03:54 PM

The format war never ends in gaming forums.

The 360 is a horribly engineered piece of electronics. People who flew of the EDD plantation say the marketing guys came up with the case and sent it over to hardware to be filled with HD fairy dust.

and this is why PS3 is better.

I didn't major in devices, but I do have an electrical engineering masters. For the life of me I can't tell you why that needs to be so big.

It's like they offloaded part of console to it as well as the a/c converter. My kilowatt PC PSU is smaller.

KEEBS1984 · 11-23-2009, 04:15 PM

Hey look! A format war thread I'm not apart of!

Feels kinda nice being on the outside lookin' in.

**kamspy** · 11-23-2009, 04:31 PM

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Hey look! A format war thread I'm not apart of!

Feels kinda nice being on the outside lookin' in.

....really, don't click this.

Spoiler:

MikeRox · 11-23-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kamspy

I didn't major in devices, but I do have an electrical engineering masters. For the life of me I can't tell you why that needs to be so big.

It's like they offloaded part of console to it as well as the a/c converter. My kilowatt PC PSU is smaller.

I think half the console's guts are inside that power brick.

11-23-2009, 12:17 AM	#32
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 31,324	I don't want to fight about the console war, but with the price drop on the PS3 to $300.00 now I suspect that the PS3 will begin to play catchup. Also how many of those 360 sales are people re-buying it because the previous 360 broke? In the little time I have read the posts around here it seems many have bought more than one, and just about everyone has had the RRoD with their 360. It seems that quite a few of those sales were the result of repeat buying because of the poor build quality of the 360. I am not a MS hater but the design of this 360 was poorly conceived and designed IMO. How can so many people be willing to get gouged repeatedly with ONLY these "official" accessories that are multiple times more expensive for the 360 because they are proprietary? Now they are banning consoles because they didn't use an "official" Hard drive that costs something like 3x the money it should? That alone would make me jump ship if I had bought a 360 before a PS3. I guess we will see a lot of new 360 sales since the banning of over 1 million consoles and I bet many people will just buy another one which will pad those 360 sales once again. When do you guys decide enough is enough and jump off this roller coaster ride of getting gouged repeatedly? I just do not get this. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

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11-23-2009, 10:57 AM	#39
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11-23-2009, 03:54 PM	#42
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