Rumor: Blu-ray Enabled Wii in 2010

railven · 11-03-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

I think it's a new Wii tbh. What does the Wii offer over the PS3 in 6 months time? The PS3 will have the same control system and I have no doubt Sony want their army of casual gamers back.

If Sony can get the PS3 to ~$200 that is probably a posibility.

Eitherway, I still think Nintendo should allow a firmware change to give us Component cable users 720p upscaling. Someone write an angry letter!

Mase · 11-03-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

If Sony can get the PS3 to ~$200 that is probably a posibility.

Eitherway, I still think Nintendo should allow a firmware change to give us Component cable users 720p upscaling. Someone write an angry letter!

Man this is just the start of the PS3 Tsunami, I expect next year to be even better with them taking the edge in the console race. I dont count the Wii to be honest, its 360, PS3 or bust..

Although I think the PCs have a slight sales lead atm, we will see what Microsoft and Sony do to counteract that

MikeRox · 11-03-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

If Sony can get the PS3 to ~$200 that is probably a posibility.

Eitherway, I still think Nintendo should allow a firmware change to give us Component cable users 720p upscaling. Someone write an angry letter!

Europe is Sony's core market (always has been where their market share is strongest) and is also the market where the Wii is yet to actually receive a price drop The PS3 is only actually £50-70 more expensive than a Wii at present.

Razor05 · 11-04-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

Europe is Sony's core market (always has been where their market share is strongest) and is also the market where the Wii is yet to actually receive a price drop The PS3 is only actually £50-70 more expensive than a Wii at present.

The closer that price point gets, the worse the Wii looks.

railven · 11-04-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor05

The closer that price point gets, the worse the Wii looks.

Anyone who loves their Wii with no sense of resentment should be taken outside and shot.

The Wii has been nothing but a plague to the gaming society.

Mike, I'm looking at you!

MikeRox · 11-04-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by railven

Anyone who loves their Wii with no sense of resentment should be taken outside and shot.

The Wii has been nothing but a plague to the gaming society.

Mike, I'm looking at you!

I disagree. The Wii has been the shot in the arm gaming needed to keep "mainstream" interested and ultimately keep the games industry at the size it is.

The direction Microsoft and Sony were taking was simply alienating as many people as it was pleasing and gaming was rapidly heading back to an elite hobby for "geeks" and kids.

If the Wii has made just 5% of it's userbase curious about "core" games, it has been a great benefit to the games industry. Hopefully it's also proven that this ridiculous constant need up tech to a ridiculous pricepoint whereby a console cannot sell at a break even price isn't necessary to attract a large audience.

What could anybody possibly resent the Wii for? Imagine Babiez? well, um, take a look at the PS1 and PS2 catalogues, I'm sure you'll find just as much shit on them, thats par for the course with a market leading system

Lack of HD? Theres the PS3 and 360 for you.

Price? Don't buy it. If everybody refuses to buy it at it's current price, it will drop. Thats economics 101.

Shitty motion controls? You might not want them, other people do. The number of games WITHOUT motion controls on the Wii is now shownig that there is a demand for both and the market can sustain both types of control. More importantly, the better selling titles (Mario Kart, Smash Bros, which have sold FAR more than their GC counterparts which were near identical visually interestingly...) actually give users the option of motion controls OR traditional controls etc.

railven · 11-04-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeRox

I disagree. The Wii has been the shot in the arm gaming needed to keep "mainstream" interested and ultimately keep the games industry at the size it is.

The direction Microsoft and Sony were taking was simply alienating as many people as it was pleasing and gaming was rapidly heading back to an elite hobby for "geeks" and kids.

If the Wii has made just 5% of it's userbase curious about "core" games, it has been a great benefit to the games industry. Hopefully it's also proven that this ridiculous constant need up tech to a ridiculous pricepoint whereby a console cannot sell at a break even price isn't necessary to attract a large audience.

What could anybody possibly resent the Wii for? Imagine Babiez? well, um, take a look at the PS1 and PS2 catalogues, I'm sure you'll find just as much shit on them, thats par for the course with a market leading system

Lack of HD? Theres the PS3 and 360 for you.

Price? Don't buy it. If everybody refuses to buy it at it's current price, it will drop. Thats economics 101.

Shitty motion controls? You might not want them, other people do. The number of games WITHOUT motion controls on the Wii is now shownig that there is a demand for both and the market can sustain both types of control. More importantly, the better selling titles (Mario Kart, Smash Bros, which have sold FAR more than their GC counterparts which were near identical visually interestingly...) actually give users the option of motion controls OR traditional controls etc.

I'd have to disagree with the argument of keeping gaming mainstream. The Wii hasn't done jack, the DS...maybe.

If you look at the numbers, just on software (factor out hardware because that does nothing to keep gaming mainstream, everyone and their mom can buy a Wii but if no one is buying the games, then it isn't helping gaming) the 360 makes up the lions share of software sales, with the PS3 second.

All the Wii did was lace Nintendo's pockets with money and has returned very little, if anything, back to the gaming community except convert ever other person into a "gamer." Shovelware is the only crap you'll find on it. It is the point where Nintendo themselves don't have to dev for it, since they can just fall back on hardware sales.

MikeRox · 11-05-2009, 04:17 AM

Nintendo's money has been primarily generated by titles like Mario Kart (17m and counting) more so than console sales.

The Wii userbase must be buying games, as there are approx 6 games per console. The reason 3rd parties are suffering is because as usual, Nintendo know their market, and their games are the ones that are selling for the most part (though a few 3rd parties have started seeing success as well when they've actually catered for the audience the Wii now has). Nintendo's failures this gen, Wii Music and Animal Crossing have each sold more (over 2.5m) than all but the biggest 360 and PS3 titles.

The Wii reintroduced 2 things that the Ps3 and 360 neglected. Pick up and play controls and "simple fun". The PS2 offered this, the PS1 did, the SNES/Genesis before that and definitely the NES and older Atari consoles. The PS3 and 360 however, outside of licensed movie tie ins etc, cater very little to the non realistic/violent/sports markets. The PS3 is certainly doing better than the 360, but clean fun titles have failed on the 360 as proven by the IMO criminally overlooked Kameo and Viva Pinata. These sorts of games just don't sell to the 360 userbase for some reason. Little Big Planets slower than anticipated sales reflect a similar trend in the PS3 market.

The Wii has kept games like Klonoa viable (one of the years best games) and delivered titles such as Little Kings Story. In the past 3 years, these titles would have been complete bombs at retail on the PS3 and 360. The PS3 however is certainly looking like it's now picking up the slack, Mod Nation Racers, that Dot Pixel Zelda clone that looks incredible being confirmed as getting an English translation etc.

The Wii has also provided a small haven and kept an old favourite genre of mine (on rails light gun shooters) viable and even given them a revival and reimage with Dead Space and the new Resident Evil games.

If that don't float your boat, fair enough. But the Wii isn't the gaming train wreck it's portraited to be. I'd much rather have each of my favourite Wii games in HD, but the market refused to make that viable in HD what with them not being 32 player online space marine shooter fests with Ferarris and Football players

Hopefully now that the PS3 userbase is growing (for some reason the Xbox userbase has always generally steered clear of the less mainstream "hardcore"gaming affair) these games will become viable in HD and I will no longer be forced to rely on my Wii to deliver my shot of traditional gaming goodness.

marcallo · 11-05-2009, 11:40 AM

I'll give you that. When I did play my wii I enjoyed it a lot. It just wore off. But Mario Galaxy is a great game, as is the mini game package that came with it. But when it comes to things like Fighting games and the like, I'd really rather just use a controller. The WII does give you that option though. You can plug a gamecube controller in and play mario Cart that way rather then with that silly wheel they put out.

In my house it's a dust collector to the point where I'm probably going to give it to my young cousins. But in some houses it's probably a great thing.

Mase · 11-05-2009, 02:23 PM

Its fun for a short period of time and some games are good on it, Zelda Twilight princess, Mario Kart/Galaxy, ect.. However as everyone has mentioned, it wears off, its just not a system that keeps you hooked or even playing it on a weekly basis.. I just look at my little brother and nephews, after they saved up for a 360 (they already had a Wii) and got one, they stopped playing their Wii altogether except for the random Mario Kart game 2-3 times a month. Where as their 360 gets booted up everyday, its not just adults who can see that the Wii does not have solid titles or marketing for solid titles and relies heavily on hype and shovelware for their sales...

Shark2k · 11-05-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mase

....its not just adults who can see that the Wii does not have solid titles or marketing for solid titles and relies heavily on hype and shovelware for their sales...

That isn't Nintendo's fault really. The majority of Nintendo made games are really great, solid games. It's not like Nintendo can make enough good games to sustain the Wii every year. More 3rd party developers really need to actually put effort into their games so that they are just as good as Nintendo. And to do that they need to not rush the games out just so they could try and make money. I've been playing de Blob on Wii and that is a really fun game. Obviously everyone might not like it, but I think it is enjoyable and it does have it's difficult parts.

I would say the 3rd party developers rely on the hype, but Nintendo actually makes good games (for the most part) when they put them out there. Nintendo, at least in the beginning of the consoles life, even offered to help developers with games to try and make them good. Maybe if the Wii did go HD, the developers might take it a little more seriously, who knows. Developers would possibly be able to put titles on the Wii that are on the other systems and would be able to add motion controls (that work really well hopefully) to add to the experience of the game.

Though, that's just my

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-Shark2k

Razor05 · 11-05-2009, 03:19 PM

Nintendo caters to their most lucrative audience...the younger generation. Rotten Ronnie's did the same thing, but eventually they had to change.

Shark2k · 11-06-2009, 06:14 PM

And just like I figured, this was not going to happen:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/11/06...-rumors-again/

-Shark2k

Millard19 · 11-07-2009, 02:34 AM

Wii's can't even play DVD's.. but now they want to have Blu Ray that plays movies? Even if true..expect bare minimum of features/options.. nothing like a PS3 that can also stream media from a computer and supports just about all video formats.

PS3 has had motion controls since day one.. they didn't steal anything from Wii.. The New wands may of been inspired by it though but they will far surpass the Wii and Natal in motion control abilities when they come out.

I will be sticking to the options fully loaded to the max PS3 for my media needs.

Shark2k · 11-07-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Millard19

Wii's can't even play DVD's.. but now they want to have Blu Ray that plays movies? Even if true..expect bare minimum of features/options.. nothing like a PS3 that can also stream media from a computer and supports just about all video formats.

PS3 has had motion controls since day one.. they didn't steal anything from Wii.. The New wands may of been inspired by it though but they will far surpass the Wii and Natal in motion control abilities when they come out.

I will be sticking to the options fully loaded to the max PS3 for my media needs.

First off, this was a rumor, it was shot down (again) by Reggie. Second off, Nintendo could have easily just used the Blu-ray format to allow for the greater capacity and again not let the system play Blu-ray movies. Lastly, the PS3 might have had motion controls since the day it was first released, but it did not have motion controls when it was first announced. That change came sometime after Nintendo announced the Wii was going to have a motion controlled controller. Get your facts straight next time.

-Shark2k

11-05-2009, 04:17 AM	#38
MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,417	Nintendo's money has been primarily generated by titles like Mario Kart (17m and counting) more so than console sales. The Wii userbase must be buying games, as there are approx 6 games per console. The reason 3rd parties are suffering is because as usual, Nintendo know their market, and their games are the ones that are selling for the most part (though a few 3rd parties have started seeing success as well when they've actually catered for the audience the Wii now has). Nintendo's failures this gen, Wii Music and Animal Crossing have each sold more (over 2.5m) than all but the biggest 360 and PS3 titles. The Wii reintroduced 2 things that the Ps3 and 360 neglected. Pick up and play controls and "simple fun". The PS2 offered this, the PS1 did, the SNES/Genesis before that and definitely the NES and older Atari consoles. The PS3 and 360 however, outside of licensed movie tie ins etc, cater very little to the non realistic/violent/sports markets. The PS3 is certainly doing better than the 360, but clean fun titles have failed on the 360 as proven by the IMO criminally overlooked Kameo and Viva Pinata. These sorts of games just don't sell to the 360 userbase for some reason. Little Big Planets slower than anticipated sales reflect a similar trend in the PS3 market. The Wii has kept games like Klonoa viable (one of the years best games) and delivered titles such as Little Kings Story. In the past 3 years, these titles would have been complete bombs at retail on the PS3 and 360. The PS3 however is certainly looking like it's now picking up the slack, Mod Nation Racers, that Dot Pixel Zelda clone that looks incredible being confirmed as getting an English translation etc. The Wii has also provided a small haven and kept an old favourite genre of mine (on rails light gun shooters) viable and even given them a revival and reimage with Dead Space and the new Resident Evil games. If that don't float your boat, fair enough. But the Wii isn't the gaming train wreck it's portraited to be. I'd much rather have each of my favourite Wii games in HD, but the market refused to make that viable in HD what with them not being 32 player online space marine shooter fests with Ferarris and Football players Hopefully now that the PS3 userbase is growing (for some reason the Xbox userbase has always generally steered clear of the less mainstream "hardcore"gaming affair) these games will become viable in HD and I will no longer be forced to rely on my Wii to deliver my shot of traditional gaming goodness. __________________ REGION B 4TW! Latest HD additions - I Love You Man - 17 Again - Born on the 4th of July - Paul Blart: Mall Cop - Monsters, Inc. HD Movies - Um... Lost count >_< bout 250 Latest Gaming Additions - Mirrors Edge - Scene It BOS - Wartech: Senko No Ronde - Lego Indiana Jones/Kung Fu Panda 2 pack - Silent Hill

11-05-2009, 02:23 PM	#40
Mase Way of the Samurai Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tempe,Az Posts: 2,567	Its fun for a short period of time and some games are good on it, Zelda Twilight princess, Mario Kart/Galaxy, ect.. However as everyone has mentioned, it wears off, its just not a system that keeps you hooked or even playing it on a weekly basis.. I just look at my little brother and nephews, after they saved up for a 360 (they already had a Wii) and got one, they stopped playing their Wii altogether except for the random Mario Kart game 2-3 times a month. Where as their 360 gets booted up everyday, its not just adults who can see that the Wii does not have solid titles or marketing for solid titles and relies heavily on hype and shovelware for their sales... __________________ PlayStation 3 : legnd Killer Xbox 360: Legnd K1ller Steam ID: Legnd_Killer Currently playing Uncharted 2(PS3) Borderlands (360) NBA2k10 (360) COD4/WaW (360)

11-05-2009, 03:19 PM	#42
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11-07-2009, 02:34 AM	#44
Millard19 What is HD? Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4	Wii's can't even play DVD's.. but now they want to have Blu Ray that plays movies? Even if true..expect bare minimum of features/options.. nothing like a PS3 that can also stream media from a computer and supports just about all video formats. PS3 has had motion controls since day one.. they didn't steal anything from Wii.. The New wands may of been inspired by it though but they will far surpass the Wii and Natal in motion control abilities when they come out. I will be sticking to the options fully loaded to the max PS3 for my media needs. __________________ PS3 Controllers

11-05-2009, 11:40 AM	#39
marcallo High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 457	I'll give you that. When I did play my wii I enjoyed it a lot. It just wore off. But Mario Galaxy is a great game, as is the mini game package that came with it. But when it comes to things like Fighting games and the like, I'd really rather just use a controller. The WII does give you that option though. You can plug a gamecube controller in and play mario Cart that way rather then with that silly wheel they put out. In my house it's a dust collector to the point where I'm probably going to give it to my young cousins. But in some houses it's probably a great thing.

11-06-2009, 06:14 PM	#43
Shark2k High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: West Orange, NJ Age: 23 Posts: 550	And just like I figured, this was not going to happen: http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/11/06...-rumors-again/ -Shark2k