PS58B850Y1W (Panasonic plasma, 8th gen): Kuro still king?

resle · 08-07-2009, 01:02 PM

Hi,
I was going to lay my hands on a Kuro 6090LH.... then the very day I went to buy it, I was introduced to the aforementioned 58 inches last gen plasma from Samsung.

I'd like to hear what you feel to say about a very basic comparison between the two.

Thanks,

andrea

Loves2Watch · 08-07-2009, 02:51 PM

Kuro is still the winner, by a long shot...

resle · 08-07-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

Kuro is still the winner, by a long shot...

Can you elaborate just a bit?

(My eyes would say the same, except for the "long shot" - I couldn't see all that difference. The specs seem to be somewhat in favour of the last gen samsung. One samsung tv's given advantage: almost half the power consumption of the Kuro, and considerably thinner)

Loves2Watch · 08-07-2009, 03:39 PM

Nothing can touch the black levels of the Kuro, nothing.

resle · 08-08-2009, 12:21 AM

So it's still all about black?

**PFC5** · 08-08-2009, 02:20 AM

Why would that change?

pappylap · 08-08-2009, 09:20 AM

I just love it when posters come on here and start trying to tear apart the KUROs when they have never experienced one in person in a home enviroment...

Just read every professional review of the Pioneer KUROs for the past two years and you may begin to understand.

resle · 08-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pappylap

I just love it when posters come on here and start trying to tear apart the KUROs when they have never experienced one in person in a home enviroment...

Just read every professional review of the Pioneer KUROs for the past two years and you may begin to understand.

I did that

Don't be too fast judging me! I am not trying to tear apart it at all - it's almost the opposite: I am trying to be absolutely sure that the money for it will be well spent.

I *do* have experienced it in a home environment, as a matter of fact. It's the new models, the one that came out from Samsung, Sony etc. - that I didn't experience. That's why I wonder.

I ask myself if black is still so important or other factors have been improved to the point of making blackness less relevant. I am just dubious because the Kuro is still an appliance from 2008, and usually electronic stuff tends to get old in just a couple years.

That's all!

Loves2Watch · 08-08-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by resle

I did that

Don't be too fast judging me! I am not trying to tear apart it at all - it's almost the opposite: I am trying to be absolutely sure that the money for it will be well spent.

I *do* have experienced it in a home environment, as a matter of fact. It's the new models, the one that came out from Samsung, Sony etc. - that I didn't experience. That's why I wonder.

I ask myself if black is still so important or other factors have been improved to the point of making blackness less relevant. I am just dubious because the Kuro is still an appliance from 2008, and usually electronic stuff tends to get old in just a couple years.

That's all!

Kuro is still the best, no doubt about it even with the newer LCD technology. LCD's can't compare on many levels (depth, color gamut, fast motion handling, off axis viewing and of course black levels) and never will be able to. Panasonic plasma is second, only to Kuro.

resle · 08-08-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks. I value a lot the opinion of someone that has 11,000 or 25,000 posts on a forum like this, and probably owns/owned lots of different AV equipment through the years. So be it. It's gonna be kuro 6090LH.

Crash7 · 08-08-2009, 03:05 PM

With the Kuro no longer in production, HD Guru calls the Panasonic V10 "The new king of HDTV's"

http://hdguru.com/the-new-king-of-hd...-reviewed/458/

resle · 08-09-2009, 02:50 AM

Oww, don't throw another competitor into my arena of uncertainity!

A last thing about the PS58B850Y1W: the SD scaler was *awesome*. That's something I never had the chance to see on the Kuro. Where I live (Italy), SD tv is going to be with us for a loooooooooong time.

lafay1 · 08-09-2009, 10:02 PM

I can't wait. Any news when delivery is planned?

08-07-2009, 01:02 PM	#1
resle How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	PS58B850Y1W (Panasonic plasma, 8th gen): Kuro still king? Hi, I was going to lay my hands on a Kuro 6090LH.... then the very day I went to buy it, I was introduced to the aforementioned 58 inches last gen plasma from Samsung. I'd like to hear what you feel to say about a very basic comparison between the two. Thanks, andrea

08-07-2009, 02:51 PM	#2
Loves2Watch SPAM Police Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ, NM, TX, MX Posts: 13,928	Kuro is still the winner, by a long shot... __________________ Theater 1 - Panasonic TH-85PF12U Plasma TV, 6 Conrad Johnson LP275M Amps, Anthem Statement D-2 Pre/Pro, 6 Thiel SCS4 Speakers, 2 REL T-1 Subs, Infinity Interlude 120S Sub, Simaudio MOON Orbiter Universal Disc Player, ELP Laser Turntable, 2 Dish Network ViP 622 DVR's, Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player, Onkyo DV-HD805 HD DVD Player. Friends don't let friends buy Korean brand TV's.

08-07-2009, 03:39 PM	#4
Loves2Watch SPAM Police Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ, NM, TX, MX Posts: 13,928	Nothing can touch the black levels of the Kuro, nothing. __________________ Theater 1 - Panasonic TH-85PF12U Plasma TV, 6 Conrad Johnson LP275M Amps, Anthem Statement D-2 Pre/Pro, 6 Thiel SCS4 Speakers, 2 REL T-1 Subs, Infinity Interlude 120S Sub, Simaudio MOON Orbiter Universal Disc Player, ELP Laser Turntable, 2 Dish Network ViP 622 DVR's, Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player, Onkyo DV-HD805 HD DVD Player. Friends don't let friends buy Korean brand TV's.

08-08-2009, 02:20 AM	#6
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08-08-2009, 09:20 AM	#7
pappylap Poopmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Way over Yonder Age: 4 Posts: 2,866	I just love it when posters come on here and start trying to tear apart the KUROs when they have never experienced one in person in a home enviroment... Just read every professional review of the Pioneer KUROs for the past two years and you may begin to understand. __________________ Bar Wench...Where's my Waffle! You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave.." 50"Pioneer KURO 111FD Pro Elite Pioneer BD320 Blu-ray player Pioneer VSX-919AH A/V Receiver 32" & 37" Olevia LCDs Sony DHG HDD 500 gig DVR Samsung DTBH260 Digital Tuner One Roll of Charmin Quilted Plus in each Bathroom...

08-08-2009, 12:21 AM	#5
resle How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	So it's still all about black?

08-08-2009, 01:33 PM	#10
resle How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Thanks. I value a lot the opinion of someone that has 11,000 or 25,000 posts on a forum like this, and probably owns/owned lots of different AV equipment through the years. So be it. It's gonna be kuro 6090LH.

08-08-2009, 03:05 PM	#11
Crash7 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 23	With the Kuro no longer in production, HD Guru calls the Panasonic V10 "The new king of HDTV's" http://hdguru.com/the-new-king-of-hd...-reviewed/458/ __________________ Panasonic TC-P54V10 Yamaha HTR-6160, LG BH-200, Motorola DCT-6412, JBL 7.1 speakers XBOX 360 Harmony One

08-09-2009, 02:50 AM	#12
resle How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Oww, don't throw another competitor into my arena of uncertainity! A last thing about the PS58B850Y1W: the SD scaler was awesome. That's something I never had the chance to see on the Kuro. Where I live (Italy), SD tv is going to be with us for a loooooooooong time.

08-09-2009, 10:02 PM	#13
lafay1 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 35	Panasonic 58 V10 I can't wait. Any news when delivery is planned?

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