Looking at the Nex 12G Panasonic Line, Thoughts?

**kamspy** · 02-12-2009, 02:40 PM

Here's the 720p 50"

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218061797099

That's my price range right now, and I want 50".

I'd prefer to buy for a B&M, and I've convinced my local BB to price match Crutchfield (not great, but a tad better than B&M).

The new 12G pannys have a new 'infinite black' technology even in the 720p series. Demonstrations showed that the darkest blacks were indeed as dark as if the screen were turned off.

There's also some 600hz subfield engine going on. Sounds like a gimmick to me.

But the black level thing does sound very interesting.

My demo-ing capability is zero at this price level. My Best Buy won't hook up dedicated sources to the TVs on the wall. Only the ones that are set-up with the couch and speakers and what not.

This isn't my main movie watching display, but I do watch a lot of TV in the room and want a decent picture.

ALSO:

The 65" 1080p S series is going to MSRP for $3,999

!!!!!

If I didn't have my Pio, I'd be ALL OVER THAT.

It comes out this summer.

Here's a post from creemail at AVS:

Quote:

Model Features Availability

TC-P54Z1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; Summer, 2009
Wireless HD (TM)Connectivity;
thin 1" Design Panel and Tuner
Box configuration; VIERA
CAST(TM); THX(R) Certified
Display; 600Hz Sub-field
Drive; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; 24P Cinematic
Playback, 4 HDMI inputs,
Swivel Base

TC-P65V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1
Infinite Black Panel

TC-P58V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600 Hz Sub-field drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P54V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; June, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1/
Infinite Black Panel

TC-P50V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; June, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1
Dynamic 1,000,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel, 2" Design
with Single-Sheet-of-Glass,
Swivel Base.

TC-P54G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; May, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P50G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P46G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P42G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native 40,000:1/Infinite Black Panel

TC-P65S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture Resolution;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P58S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P54S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; May, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P50S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs; Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P46S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs; Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P42S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P50X1 720p Resolution; Over 900 February, 2009
Lines of Moving
Resolution, 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); AR Filter; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P42X1 720p Resolution; Over 900 February, 2009
Lines of Moving
Resolution, 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); AR Filter; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-54PS14 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution;
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution; VIERA
Link(TM)z Sub-field Drive;
SD Photo Viewer; VIERA
Link;

TC-50PS14 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution;
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution; VIERA
Link(TM)z Sub-field Drive;
SD Photo Viewer; VIERA
Link;

TC-42PS14 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution;
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution; VIERA
Link(TM)z Sub-field Drive;
SD Photo Viewer; VIERA
Link;

TC-50PX14 720p Resolution; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution;
Contrast Ratio Native
15,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-42PX14 720p Resolution; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution;
Contrast Ratio Native
15,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-L37G1 1080p Resolution; 120Hz May, 2009
Motion Picture Pro3,
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); Contrast
Ratio 20,000:1; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Swivel Base; Narrow Bezel
Design, Fine Black Panel

TC-L32G1 1080p Resolution; 120Hz May, 2009
Motion Picture Pro3,
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); Contrast
Ratio 20,000:1; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Swivel Base; Narrow Bezel
Design, Fine Black Panel

TC-L37S1 1080p Resolution; Motion March, 2009
Focus technology;
Intelligent Scene
Controller, VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM);Contrast Ratio:
15,000:1 ; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC Input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs, Fine
Black Panel

TC-L32S1 1080p Resolution; Motion March, 2009
Focus technology;
Intelligent Scene
Controller, VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM);Contrast Ratio:
15,000:1 ; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC Input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs, Fine
Black Panel

TC-L37X1 720p Resolution; iPod March, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 12,000:1;
PC input; Game Mode; 3
HDMI inputs, Fine Black
Panel

TC-L32X1 720p Resolution; iPod March, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 12,000:1;
PC input; Game Mode; 3
HDMI inputs, Fine Black
Panel

TC-L26X1 720p Resolution; iPod May, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 12,000:1;
PC input; Game Mode; 2
HDMI inputs, Fine Black
Panel

TC-L19X1 720p Resolution; iPod August, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM); PC
input; Game Mode; 2 HDMI
inputs, Fine Black Panel

TC-32LX14 720p Resolution;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM),; VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 10,000:1;
Fine Black Panel

TC-26LX14 720p Resolution, VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); Contrast Ratio
10,000:1; Fine Black
Panel

So is the 50" x1 linked the best deal for me at my price point?

I've decided no Internet dealers for this purchase.

4Cowboys4Life · 02-12-2009, 04:13 PM

Once newer sets come to market, does anyone know about how long before reviews start coming out? Take for instance the CNET reviews.

sndper · 02-12-2009, 11:48 PM

Usually it will take 3-6 weeks for good reviews to start coming out. By good reviews I speak of cnet and the like. You will get customer reviews much quicker, but we all know how reliable those are.

**PFC5** · 02-13-2009, 12:18 AM

Kamspy:

The 600Hz Sub-field Drive item is the speed of the sub pixel refresh rate, and the higher the number (the way Panasonic has designed them) will increase the number of gradients for less banding which is almost non existent with the current 480Hz on my 2008 model already. On the higher end models with anti judder this is also supposed to eliminate the flicker that people complained about with the 2008 high end model according to Panasonic.

The Infinite Black is more marketing, and works like the Pioneer plasmas when the screen has completely black content it will reduce to a almost zero pre-charge rate for the pixels. The overall black levels are said to be improved, but still short of KURO 9G panel's black levels, but still better than the 2008 models of which I have one and love the black levels compared to the LCDs/DLP I have already.

I believe other than the 720p models which do not have the Neo PDP panels, the brightness is said to be 30% higher than 2008 models but with no additional power needed, or 30% less power required to have the same (very adequate brightness in a real home lighting situation) the 2008 model brightness.

Some KURO fans are disappointed in the lack of KURO matching black levels in these models, but I think Panasonic was smart to add the brightness to compete with LCDs on the ultra bright showroom floors first so they can increase sales while still beating all non-LED LCDs easily with black levels, and all the other issues with LCDs.

Hope this helps!

**kamspy** · 02-13-2009, 01:42 AM

Haven't been following LCD trends, but this one is another competitor for me.

52" Westinghouse (Sharp panel), $1,099 at costco

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpan...st/index4.html

**PFC5** · 02-13-2009, 01:45 AM

With what you had for issues with your other display and the kids touching it, etc, I would definitely look at glass panels over the LCD panels.

**kamspy** · 02-13-2009, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PFC5

With what you had for issues with your other display and the kids touching it, etc, I would definitely look at glass panels over the LCD panels.

Good Point!

I think I'm going to pick up the new 12G Panny tomorrow.

My local BB already has them in stock.

I'll be the test monkey on this one. Let you guys know how it stacks up against the Pio.

It's hard to shop for a secondary TV. Trying to find a happy medium for price/quality vs. utility. I'm not doing any real critical viewing on it.

Basically I just want 50" and no problems. I wish Costco's Pannys weren't stripped down.

**PFC5** · 02-13-2009, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamspy

Good Point!

I think I'm going to pick up the new 12G Panny tomorrow.

My local BB already has them in stock.

I'll be the test monkey on this one. Let you guys know how it stacks up against the Pio.

It's hard to shop for a secondary TV. Trying to find a happy medium for price/quality vs. utility. I'm not doing any real critical viewing on it.

Basically I just want 50" and no problems. I wish Costco's Pannys weren't stripped down.

Please let us know how it looks, but keep in mind that the 720p model is even further removed from the PQ of the 1080p models from what I have read for the 2009 models compared to the 2008 models.

It will be good to get someone I trust to discuss the differences even between the low end 720p Panasonic model with a high end Pioneer model. I wish I had a 2009 model so I could possibly help with the settings like I have done for many people here with the 2008 models like mine, but I am all set for displays for now with 4 HDTVs.

Loves2Watch · 02-13-2009, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sndper

Usually it will take 3-6 weeks for good reviews to start coming out. By good reviews I speak of cnet and the like. You will get customer reviews much quicker, but we all know how reliable those are.

Cnet and good reviews in the same sentence is an oxymoron. Look to PROFESSIONAL reviewers like in Home Theater Magazine, Sound and Vision Magazine, UltimateAV magazine and the like.

papapar · 02-16-2009, 08:20 AM

I noticed on the new tc p50x1 there is not an analog or rca audio out. will I be able to hear my wireless speakers with the old rca cables with the optical audio out.
papapar

erict · 02-26-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PFC5

Please let us know how it looks, but keep in mind that the 720p model is even further removed from the PQ of the 1080p models from what I have read for the 2009 models compared to the 2008 models.
It will be good to get someone I trust to discuss the differences even between the low end 720p Panasonic model with a high end Pioneer model. I wish I had a 2009 model so I could possibly help with the settings like I have done for many people here with the 2008 models like mine, but I am all set for displays for now with 4 HDTVs.

PFC5, can you elaborate on this. I'm looking at possibly purchasing the P42X1 for a second set.

**PFC5** · 02-26-2009, 07:50 PM

The new X1 series 720p models for 2009 will not have the new NeoPDP plasma panels like the 1080p models will have. That means they will not be 30% brighter or 30% more energy efficient like the 1080p models using the new NeoPDP tech.

They will still likely be an improvement over the 2008 720p models but will not be as much of a jump over the 2008 models that the 1080p models will be over the 2008 models.

**PFC5** · 03-04-2009, 05:16 PM

So Kampsy did you buy the X1?

Also here is some updated info I found on the new models with the MSRP on them:

http://hdguru.com/2009-hdtvs-are-shi...panasonic/392/

**PFC5** · 03-06-2009, 08:41 AM

More info on the line at HDGuru:

http://hdguru.com/panasonic-2009-pri...exclusive/395/

02-12-2009, 04:13 PM	#2
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02-12-2009, 11:48 PM	#3
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02-13-2009, 12:18 AM	#4
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	Kamspy: The 600Hz Sub-field Drive item is the speed of the sub pixel refresh rate, and the higher the number (the way Panasonic has designed them) will increase the number of gradients for less banding which is almost non existent with the current 480Hz on my 2008 model already. On the higher end models with anti judder this is also supposed to eliminate the flicker that people complained about with the 2008 high end model according to Panasonic. The Infinite Black is more marketing, and works like the Pioneer plasmas when the screen has completely black content it will reduce to a almost zero pre-charge rate for the pixels. The overall black levels are said to be improved, but still short of KURO 9G panel's black levels, but still better than the 2008 models of which I have one and love the black levels compared to the LCDs/DLP I have already. I believe other than the 720p models which do not have the Neo PDP panels, the brightness is said to be 30% higher than 2008 models but with no additional power needed, or 30% less power required to have the same (very adequate brightness in a real home lighting situation) the 2008 model brightness. Some KURO fans are disappointed in the lack of KURO matching black levels in these models, but I think Panasonic was smart to add the brightness to compete with LCDs on the ultra bright showroom floors first so they can increase sales while still beating all non-LED LCDs easily with black levels, and all the other issues with LCDs. Hope this helps! __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

02-13-2009, 01:45 AM	#6
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	With what you had for issues with your other display and the kids touching it, etc, I would definitely look at glass panels over the LCD panels. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

02-16-2009, 08:20 AM	#10
papapar What is HD? Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1	what is optical audio I noticed on the new tc p50x1 there is not an analog or rca audio out. will I be able to hear my wireless speakers with the old rca cables with the optical audio out. papapar

02-13-2009, 01:42 AM	#5
kamspy Esteban Moderatoro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati,OH Good Posts: 12 Posts: 13,040	Haven't been following LCD trends, but this one is another competitor for me. 52" Westinghouse (Sharp panel), $1,099 at costco http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpan...st/index4.html

02-26-2009, 07:50 PM	#12
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	The new X1 series 720p models for 2009 will not have the new NeoPDP plasma panels like the 1080p models will have. That means they will not be 30% brighter or 30% more energy efficient like the 1080p models using the new NeoPDP tech. They will still likely be an improvement over the 2008 720p models but will not be as much of a jump over the 2008 models that the 1080p models will be over the 2008 models. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

03-04-2009, 05:16 PM	#13
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	So Kampsy did you buy the X1? Also here is some updated info I found on the new models with the MSRP on them: http://hdguru.com/2009-hdtvs-are-shi...panasonic/392/ __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

03-06-2009, 08:41 AM	#14
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,349	More info on the line at HDGuru: http://hdguru.com/panasonic-2009-pri...exclusive/395/ __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

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