Loosing faith in my beloved Panny plasma.

frederick · 12-10-2008, 07:04 PM

About 1 month ago I purchased a TH 50FD18 panny from Costco. I was really pleased with it until I noticed pinkish edges on the panel when whites back grounds were displayed - I did post a thread regarding this which also included a link with someone else having the same issue, although there model number was different to mine.

My concern however is that if I return this set, will the next one be the same? EG is it normal to have a slight pink hue on white back grounds?
If so, then I wont bother and keep it!

As it stands Im thinking about returning the unit before my 90 days are up and purchasing a Sammy LN52A750 or 850 unit. Mainly because I wont have to worry about IR ( not the only person living in my house ) and the image does have a lovely 3d POP on it.

Halorocka888 · 12-10-2008, 07:23 PM

To be honest, i'm considering buying my LCD choice rather than a Panny Plasma.

It seems like the Burn-in risk is still noticeable and i've always had good experience with LCDs.

I love the picture quality, but there's still too much talk about treading lightly with plasma.

Loves2Watch · 12-10-2008, 07:32 PM

Hogwash there isn't any problems with burn in and IR with the new Panasonic plasma TV's and I have not seen one post on this forum stating otherwise.

I would suggest you take that Panny back and exchange it for another. That LCD you mention just can't compare.

Halorocka888 · 12-10-2008, 07:48 PM

Heard some talk about a break-in period? Maybe I was just crossing the lines between old and new models.

Talking specifically about a Z80U.

Loves2Watch · 12-10-2008, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halorocka888

Heard some talk about a break-in period? Maybe I was just crossing the lines between old and new models.

Talking specifically about a Z80U.

Of course it is recommended to break in a new plasma but many don't and have no problems.

Halorocka888 · 12-10-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

Of course it is recommended to break in a new plasma but many don't and have no problems.

Alright, just worried about it is all. Using it as a Monitor, 10% of the time, SD video (possibly upgrading to HD soon) 40% of the time, and gaming on the 360 50% of the time.

Just want to find a balance

Ruark · 12-10-2008, 08:53 PM

I'm really getting tired of some of these pro-plasma fanatics trying to turn every discussion into an exercise in pro-plasma propaganda, and constantly putting down LCDs as if they were ALL crummy. Let me tell you, the picture on my LN52A750 can be so realistic, it's scary sometimes.

Plasmas are much heavier, run hotter and use more electricity than LCDs. And yes, there are burn in problems with them as well. Here is an EXACT cut and paste from Samsung's web site - their FAQ page for plasma TVs:

"Are Plasma TVs Subject To Screen Burn In?

Yes, plasma TVs are subject to screen burn in.

If you have a plasma TV, we recommend that you limit your viewing of stationary graphics and images, such as the dark side-bars on nonexpanded standard format television programs, stock market reports, video game displays, station logos, web sites, and computer graphics and patterns to no more than 5% of the total television viewing per week.

Displaying stationary images that exceed the above guidelines can cause uneven aging of Plasma displays that leave subtle, but permanent burned-in ghost images in the Plasma picture. To avoid this, vary the programming and images you watch, watch mainly full screen moving images, and avoid stationary patterns or dark bars. On Plasma models that offer picture sizing features, use these controls to view different formats as a full screen pictures.

Important: Screen burn-in is not covered under your warranty."

Now, if you know this is totally untrue, Samsung would like to hear from you...

Ruark

Loves2Watch · 12-10-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruark

I'm really getting tired of some of these pro-plasma fanatics trying to turn every discussion into an exercise in pro-plasma propaganda, and constantly putting down LCDs as if they were ALL crummy. Let me tell you, the picture on my LN52A750 can be so realistic, it's scary sometimes.

Plasmas are much heavier, run hotter and use more electricity than LCDs. And yes, there are burn in problems with them as well. Here is an EXACT cut and paste from Samsung's web site - their FAQ page for plasma TVs:

"Are Plasma TVs Subject To Screen Burn In?

Yes, plasma TVs are subject to screen burn in.

If you have a plasma TV, we recommend that you limit your viewing of stationary graphics and images, such as the dark side-bars on nonexpanded standard format television programs, stock market reports, video game displays, station logos, web sites, and computer graphics and patterns to no more than 5% of the total television viewing per week.

Displaying stationary images that exceed the above guidelines can cause uneven aging of Plasma displays that leave subtle, but permanent burned-in ghost images in the Plasma picture. To avoid this, vary the programming and images you watch, watch mainly full screen moving images, and avoid stationary patterns or dark bars. On Plasma models that offer picture sizing features, use these controls to view different formats as a full screen pictures.

Important: Screen burn-in is not covered under your warranty."

Now, if you know this is totally untrue, Samsung would like to hear from you...

Ruark

BTW that info is from Samsung, who has had burn in and image retention issues in the past with their displays but we are talking Panasonic.

I never put down LCD TV's I own a few and recommend them as well. Plasma does have it's advantages as long as it is in an environment with controlled lighting.

Out of all of the different technologies I own (LCD, plasma, LCoS, CRT) and use/test on a daily basis, plasma is the most like CRT which we are all used to. Of the new technologies it also has the best black levels, better off axis viewing, virtually no response time and no motion blur/smear. These are all things that LCD is improving on but as of this time still lag behind plasma. In real world use a plasma TV may use a bit more electricity but over a years period of time it would amount to a few dollars more, if that. As for heat, LCD panels generate quite a bit of heat as well. The weight difference is true.

I'm sure your TV is great and in your environment it might be best but plasma has suffered from myths, old wives tales, bad press and misinformation when it is truly a winner. What we are trying to do here is to dispel any myths and give a new user or person trying to decide a factual representation of just what is available and the advantages of such.

If you don't personally like plasma TV's that's all fine and well but it doesn't mean that they are not good.

Ruark · 12-10-2008, 09:36 PM

I understand, L2W, and it's true there is a lot of myth about plasmas. They have improved exponentially over the last few years.

You said, "plasma is the most like CRT which we are all used to." Uh, like are you saying that's good? I keep seeing people who want their HDTVs to emulate CRTs, or "film" or whatever. But there are a heck of a lot of us out here who don't.

You said, "Of the new technologies it also has the best black levels, better off axis viewing, virtually no response time and no motion blur/smear."

My blacks are as black as black can get. Off axis viewing is virtually flawless at 180 degrees, where nobody is going to sit. Response time is 4ms. With the 120hz on High, there is absolutely no motion blur/smear, even with action sports.

As for burn-in on Panasonics, here's a cut and paste from them, as well:

"Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time..."

Well, that cancels out 99% of the TV stations out there...

Ruark

Loves2Watch · 12-10-2008, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruark

I understand, L2W, and it's true there is a lot of myth about plasmas. They have improved exponentially over the last few years.

You said, "plasma is the most like CRT which we are all used to." Uh, like are you saying that's good? I keep seeing people who want their HDTVs to emulate CRTs, or "film" or whatever. But there are a heck of a lot of us out here who don't.

You said, "Of the new technologies it also has the best black levels, better off axis viewing, virtually no response time and no motion blur/smear."

My blacks are as black as black can get. Off axis viewing is virtually flawless at 180 degrees, where nobody is going to sit. Response time is 4ms. With the 120hz on High, there is absolutely no motion blur/smear, even with action sports.

As for burn-in on Panasonics, here's a cut and paste from them, as well:

"Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time..."

Well, that cancels out 99% of the TV stations out there...

Ruark

Well you just don't seem to get it so I will let someone else try explaining it to you, if you are even open to the explanation.

BTW if you sat your nice LCD in the same room with my plasma you would see the difference and be amazed at how black black can be because a LCD just can't produce black like a plasma can.

Believe what you will.

Ruark · 12-10-2008, 09:47 PM

And just for completeness, here's a cut and paste from Sony about burn-in on plasmas:

"WARNING: There is a risk of hardware damage. Using a video game console with a plasma or CRT projection television may cause image retention and is not recommended.

WARNING: There is a risk of hardware damage. Extended viewing of programs or movies in aspect ratios that are different from the aspect ratio of the TV may cause image retention. "

I can keep this up all day...

Ruark

iserum · 12-10-2008, 10:04 PM

last week i said same thing about LCD vs plasma comparison, LCD have closed gap quite against plasma. at stores LCD shines because they are brighter, average consumer is told that HDTV is about bright screens as these sets are set up in stores in torch mode to demand attention from consumers. Quality of Tv that LCD is trying to achieve is already achieved by plasma (at cheaper price). these are competing technologies and always be open for debates like this.

Halorocka888 · 12-10-2008, 10:08 PM

Another thing too, it's really personal preference.

For instance, I was sold on Plasma for a while, and am still deciding.

However, the main reason I was sold on Plasma is the no-response-time issue.

I use an 8ms LCD Samsung for a monitor, and I realized that I'm not sensitive.

So, there's that thrown out the window and equaling out the decision.

Many times it's preference over anything

Loves2Watch · 12-10-2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruark

And just for completeness, here's a cut and paste from Sony about burn-in on plasmas:

"WARNING: There is a risk of hardware damage. Using a video game console with a plasma or CRT projection television may cause image retention and is not recommended.

WARNING: There is a risk of hardware damage. Extended viewing of programs or movies in aspect ratios that are different from the aspect ratio of the TV may cause image retention. "

I can keep this up all day...

Ruark

Of course Sony would post that, they don't sell plasma TV's. And notice the key words are MAY not will. All displays are subject to image retention.

And to add to my previous post if I could purchase a CRT TV that could display 1920x1080 in a fixed resolution with a flat screen, I would have many of those.

Then read this and argue with them - http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/y...ich-to-choose/

Halorocka888 · 12-10-2008, 11:45 PM

The article is great!

However, I do have some questions, specific to a buy of mine.

The Panny Z80U, has little or no risk of permanent image retention, correct? I can deal with the break in period, but if there's a constant risk of this happening, I may have to go LCD.

12-10-2008, 07:04 PM	#1
frederick High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 114	Loosing faith in my beloved Panny plasma. About 1 month ago I purchased a TH 50FD18 panny from Costco. I was really pleased with it until I noticed pinkish edges on the panel when whites back grounds were displayed - I did post a thread regarding this which also included a link with someone else having the same issue, although there model number was different to mine. My concern however is that if I return this set, will the next one be the same? EG is it normal to have a slight pink hue on white back grounds? If so, then I wont bother and keep it! As it stands Im thinking about returning the unit before my 90 days are up and purchasing a Sammy LN52A750 or 850 unit. Mainly because I wont have to worry about IR ( not the only person living in my house ) and the image does have a lovely 3d POP on it.

12-10-2008, 07:32 PM	#3
Loves2Watch SPAM Police Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ, NM, TX, MX Posts: 13,972	Hogwash there isn't any problems with burn in and IR with the new Panasonic plasma TV's and I have not seen one post on this forum stating otherwise. I would suggest you take that Panny back and exchange it for another. That LCD you mention just can't compare. __________________ Theater 1 - Panasonic TH-85PF12U Plasma TV, 6 Conrad Johnson LP275M Amps, Anthem Statement D-2 Pre/Pro, 6 Thiel SCS4 Speakers, 2 REL T-1 Subs, Infinity Interlude 120S Sub, Simaudio MOON Orbiter Universal Disc Player, ELP Laser Turntable, 2 Dish Network ViP 622 DVR's, Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player, Onkyo DV-HD805 HD DVD Player.

12-10-2008, 10:04 PM	#12
iserum High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,955	last week i said same thing about LCD vs plasma comparison, LCD have closed gap quite against plasma. at stores LCD shines because they are brighter, average consumer is told that HDTV is about bright screens as these sets are set up in stores in torch mode to demand attention from consumers. Quality of Tv that LCD is trying to achieve is already achieved by plasma (at cheaper price). these are competing technologies and always be open for debates like this. __________________ Panasonic 50PX80U/Pioneer BDP-51FD /Toshiba HD A1/Tivo HD SAMSUNG LNT-4661F/ Pioneer BDP-51FD/Dell XPS, Nvidia 9500 GT SONY BRAVIA 40V2500/40 GB PS3, WII, Intel Core 2 Duo with Nvidia 6800 Yamaha RXV1700 Def. Tech. Mythos III, V & Gems, Super Cube III Harmony Remote One Power Conditioner: Belkin PF40

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12-10-2008, 07:23 PM	#2
Halorocka888 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	To be honest, i'm considering buying my LCD choice rather than a Panny Plasma. It seems like the Burn-in risk is still noticeable and i've always had good experience with LCDs. I love the picture quality, but there's still too much talk about treading lightly with plasma.

12-10-2008, 07:48 PM	#4
Halorocka888 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	Heard some talk about a break-in period? Maybe I was just crossing the lines between old and new models. Talking specifically about a Z80U.

12-10-2008, 08:53 PM	#7
Ruark High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 125	I'm really getting tired of some of these pro-plasma fanatics trying to turn every discussion into an exercise in pro-plasma propaganda, and constantly putting down LCDs as if they were ALL crummy. Let me tell you, the picture on my LN52A750 can be so realistic, it's scary sometimes. Plasmas are much heavier, run hotter and use more electricity than LCDs. And yes, there are burn in problems with them as well. Here is an EXACT cut and paste from Samsung's web site - their FAQ page for plasma TVs: "Are Plasma TVs Subject To Screen Burn In? Yes, plasma TVs are subject to screen burn in. If you have a plasma TV, we recommend that you limit your viewing of stationary graphics and images, such as the dark side-bars on nonexpanded standard format television programs, stock market reports, video game displays, station logos, web sites, and computer graphics and patterns to no more than 5% of the total television viewing per week. Displaying stationary images that exceed the above guidelines can cause uneven aging of Plasma displays that leave subtle, but permanent burned-in ghost images in the Plasma picture. To avoid this, vary the programming and images you watch, watch mainly full screen moving images, and avoid stationary patterns or dark bars. On Plasma models that offer picture sizing features, use these controls to view different formats as a full screen pictures. Important: Screen burn-in is not covered under your warranty." Now, if you know this is totally untrue, Samsung would like to hear from you... Ruark

12-10-2008, 09:36 PM	#9
Ruark High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 125	I understand, L2W, and it's true there is a lot of myth about plasmas. They have improved exponentially over the last few years. You said, "plasma is the most like CRT which we are all used to." Uh, like are you saying that's good? I keep seeing people who want their HDTVs to emulate CRTs, or "film" or whatever. But there are a heck of a lot of us out here who don't. You said, "Of the new technologies it also has the best black levels, better off axis viewing, virtually no response time and no motion blur/smear." My blacks are as black as black can get. Off axis viewing is virtually flawless at 180 degrees, where nobody is going to sit. Response time is 4ms. With the 120hz on High, there is absolutely no motion blur/smear, even with action sports. As for burn-in on Panasonics, here's a cut and paste from them, as well: "Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time..." Well, that cancels out 99% of the TV stations out there... Ruark

12-10-2008, 09:47 PM	#11
Ruark High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 125	And just for completeness, here's a cut and paste from Sony about burn-in on plasmas: "WARNING: There is a risk of hardware damage. Using a video game console with a plasma or CRT projection television may cause image retention and is not recommended. WARNING: There is a risk of hardware damage. Extended viewing of programs or movies in aspect ratios that are different from the aspect ratio of the TV may cause image retention. " I can keep this up all day... Ruark

12-10-2008, 10:08 PM	#13
Halorocka888 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	Another thing too, it's really personal preference. For instance, I was sold on Plasma for a while, and am still deciding. However, the main reason I was sold on Plasma is the no-response-time issue. I use an 8ms LCD Samsung for a monitor, and I realized that I'm not sensitive. So, there's that thrown out the window and equaling out the decision. Many times it's preference over anything

12-10-2008, 11:45 PM	#15
Halorocka888 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	The article is great! However, I do have some questions, specific to a buy of mine. The Panny Z80U, has little or no risk of permanent image retention, correct? I can deal with the break in period, but if there's a constant risk of this happening, I may have to go LCD.