Why more LCD than Plasma?

gosmosis · 03-06-2008, 07:04 PM

Sorry to post such a boring thread and I'm sure this subject has been beat to death.....

But, I couldn't find a specific thread addressing this.

If many of the "experts" claim plasma PQ is superior to LCD, then why are there so many more LCD's to choose from? Please tell me this isn't another Blu-ray vs HD thing.

Let me say this; I don't know if those who say Plasma is better are "experts", but I certainly never hear anyone say LCD is better. (PQ)

So - what gives? Will plasma give a better PQ? Does plasma deal with black, dark, shaded areas better than LCD? If this is the case, why wouldn't plasma be the one?

Finally - if plasma gives a better PQ - am I a fool to buy one? I mean, lets say that plasmas go out and are discontinued, is it bad to buy one now? Seems there are some pretty good prices on the plasmas. I've already owned an LCD. What would I immediately notice if I had a good plasma?

Thanks!
Gene

Scottnot · 03-06-2008, 08:20 PM

Frankly, once you've properly calibrated the set, and assume that you have some light in your viewing room, I do not believe that you will see any difference.

I prefer LCD over plasma. Admittedly this is based on seeing a lot of big screen plasmas is bright rooms, stretched SD content and other crap that people do with $5K sets, but I've never been impressed. Also, not been impressed looking in the big box show rooms.

scootski · 03-06-2008, 08:26 PM

the man above is correct.
Agree 100 percent.

I have a LCD 720... Sony KDL40S3000....
i am beyond happy with it.
Absolutely satisfied.

The only this is... you have to make some
adjustments to please YOURSELF.

A beautiful HDTV and picture presentation.
I got it all now !

pappylap · 03-06-2008, 08:35 PM

Care to do a little reading? I have never seen a professional reviewer score an LCD above a Plasma for PQ... overall value maybe, but PQ no...and as to why so many LCDs until recently Plasmas were not available in sizes less than 42 inches there is a large market for sets 32" and smaller....

http://gizmodo.com/336498/best-plasm...ct-plasma-wins

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...-round-ii.html

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/21...-still-better/

scootski · 03-06-2008, 08:39 PM

LCDs have the lowest failure rate.

somewhere between 2 to 4 percent.

Oh, they also use LESS HOUSE CURRENT (watts) too !

pappylap · 03-06-2008, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scootski

LCDs have the lowest failure rate.

somewhere between 2 to 4 percent.

Care to share where this comes from? or is it a personal opinion?

Plasma HDTV unit sales reached an all-time quarterly high in the fourth quarter of 2007.

That's according to a study from Quixel Research, as reported by TWICE Magazine.

The study said overall sales increased five percent from last year's fourth quarter. But it added that revenue fell in 2007 because Plasma makers had to lower prices to keep pace with LCD flat-panel sets.

Quixel also suggested that the 1080p Plasma, which is priced more expensively than the 720p model, apparently is not raising average street prices.

"There were very few 1080p models to support growth," the study said, TWICE reported.

Quixel said Plasma sales in the 50 to 59 inch category rose 47 percent from the third quarter to the fourth quarter.

But the 40 to 49 inch category fell 22 percent from 2006 to 2007.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/plasmasales021308.htm

Sonny300 · 03-06-2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pappylap

Care to share where this comes from? or is it a personal opinion?

Well, in my case , I know that my elec bill is going nowhere but up. So, there is no way I would go plasma,specially after just changing most of my bulbs to CFB`s. to try and beat back

that expense.

imho plasma is kinda dinasauric

huge waste of power. with not a whole lot of benefit.

Codes20 · 03-06-2008, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonny300

Well, in my case , I know that my elec bill is going nowhere but up. So, there is no way I would go plasma,specially after just changing most of my bulbs to CFB`s. to try and beat back

that expense.

imho plasma is kinda dinasauric

huge waste of power. with not a whole lot of benefit.

If your electric bills goes up more than $5 a month with a plasma, you have larger issues to worry about. They use more power, but not that much more. Hearsay strikes again!

pappylap · 03-06-2008, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonny300

Well, in my case , I know that my elec bill is going nowhere but up. So, there is no way I would go plasma,specially after just changing most of my bulbs to CFB`s. to try and beat back

that expense.

imho plasma is kinda dinasauric

huge waste of power. with not a whole lot of benefit.

This rumor has already been debunked on more than one occassion...

Here are some more steller reviews Gosmosis to dispell any doubts...
from the article...

Quote:

Greatest flat panel ever.
Forgive my dipping into hyperbole for the caption, but there really wasn't another way to go. It's not just the fact that the PRO-110FD creates a beautiful image. It's that the image it creates is such a step above every other flat panel on the market that it is not even comparable. There's that hyperbole again. I'll stop and let the performance speak for itself

.

http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/907kuro/

http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisp...07piokuro6010/

Codes20 · 03-06-2008, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scootski

LCDs have the lowest failure rate.

somewhere between 2 to 4 percent.

Oh, they also use LESS HOUSE CURRENT (watts) too !

Where is this information from? I know plenty of LCD (and plasma) failures, as I deal with them on almost a daily basis.

Panasonic was recently rated as the most reliable set at less than 2% failure rate. Sony LCD were 3-4%, others slightly higher. This was from Consumer Reports, so take that for what it's worth.

gosmosis · 03-06-2008, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codes20

If your electric bills goes up more than $5 a month with a plasma, you have larger issues to worry about. They use more power, but not that much more. Hearsay strikes again!

All these opinions are fine. And I can appreciate Sound and Vision's opinion.

Still - why are there so many more LCD's being offered at the BB and CC type places? What is driving that? IMO, when I originally started looking at HDTV, seemed to me they were all too high priced - then all of a sudden the LCD's in Xmas 07 came more affordable. Maybe I answered my own question. Is that it - was it a price war? Still - seemed like overnight there were tons of LCD's and only a "few" plasmas (again, talking about BB and CC)

pappylap · 03-06-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonny300

Well, in my case , I know that my elec bill is going nowhere but up. So, there is no way I would go plasma,specially after just changing most of my bulbs to CFB`s. to try and beat back

that expense.

imho plasma is kinda dinasauric

huge waste of power. with not a whole lot of benefit.

Hey Sonny, I though you settled on a Toshiba LCD...
you could benefit from the articles as well happy reading.....

Codes20 · 03-06-2008, 09:26 PM

I work in sales (BB) and I will try sell plasma more. People hear the bad rep that plasma has gotten with burn in issues, longevity, etc and don't even want to consider a plasma. After I show them the two side-by-side, they will 90% of the time tell me that plasma looks better. I used to be an LCD fan over plasma, until I purchased my plasma. Now I won't get anything but.

No ghosting, better black levels, more natural picture and colors. This, to me, is why plasma wins.

pappylap · 03-06-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gosmosis

All these opinions are fine. And I can appreciate Sound and Vision's opinion.

Still - why are there so many more LCD's being offered at the BB and CC type places? What is driving that?

Think of it this way Gosmos....do they sell more Hondas and Fords or Farrari and Lamborghini?.....

Sonny300 · 03-06-2008, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pappylap

Hey Sonny, I though you settled on a Toshiba LCD...
you could benefit from the articles as well happy reading.....

Yep, and I couldn`t be happier with my 42167 tosh. No buying a setup disc, or any of that crap. mostly just plug and play.

Just totally awesome,and you haven`t heard from me for awhile because it is in bad taste, me thinks to just herald something that ya have had a really good experience with. and specially when ya ain`t that knowledgeable about with other brands.

I am not trying to bad-mouth anything, just that as a retired person, I am always looking at ways to cut back on my elec comsumption, not add to it.

So , plasma is not for me. Ya see, pappylap, we installed that beautiful machine in the rec-room where the wood-burning insert is, so no need for anymore heat

03-06-2008, 07:04 PM	#1
gosmosis <<PRIEST>> Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Central Illinois Age: 46 Posts: 4,695	Why more LCD than Plasma? Sorry to post such a boring thread and I'm sure this subject has been beat to death..... But, I couldn't find a specific thread addressing this. If many of the "experts" claim plasma PQ is superior to LCD, then why are there so many more LCD's to choose from? Please tell me this isn't another Blu-ray vs HD thing. Let me say this; I don't know if those who say Plasma is better are "experts", but I certainly never hear anyone say LCD is better. (PQ) So - what gives? Will plasma give a better PQ? Does plasma deal with black, dark, shaded areas better than LCD? If this is the case, why wouldn't plasma be the one? Finally - if plasma gives a better PQ - am I a fool to buy one? I mean, lets say that plasmas go out and are discontinued, is it bad to buy one now? Seems there are some pretty good prices on the plasmas. I've already owned an LCD. What would I immediately notice if I had a good plasma? Thanks! Gene

03-06-2008, 08:35 PM	#4
pappylap Poopmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Way over Yonder Age: 4 Posts: 2,843	Care to do a little reading? I have never seen a professional reviewer score an LCD above a Plasma for PQ... overall value maybe, but PQ no...and as to why so many LCDs until recently Plasmas were not available in sizes less than 42 inches there is a large market for sets 32" and smaller.... http://gizmodo.com/336498/best-plasm...ct-plasma-wins http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...-round-ii.html http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/21...-still-better/ __________________ One bird in bush worth two grasshoppers on blade of grass You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave.." 50"Pioneer KURO 111FD Pro Elite Pioneer BD320 Blu-ray player Pioneer VSX-919AH A/V Receiver 32" & 37" Olevia LCDs Sony DHG HDD 500 gig DVR Samsung DTBH260 Digital Tuner One Roll of Charmin Quilted Plus in each Bathroom...

03-06-2008, 09:26 PM	#13
Codes20 In need of speakers Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MN/CA Age: 24 Posts: 1,338	I work in sales (BB) and I will try sell plasma more. People hear the bad rep that plasma has gotten with burn in issues, longevity, etc and don't even want to consider a plasma. After I show them the two side-by-side, they will 90% of the time tell me that plasma looks better. I used to be an LCD fan over plasma, until I purchased my plasma. Now I won't get anything but. No ghosting, better black levels, more natural picture and colors. This, to me, is why plasma wins. __________________ Downsized and sold many things as I am moving soon and starting my career.

03-06-2008, 08:20 PM	#2
Scottnot Progress Not Perfection Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,985	Frankly, once you've properly calibrated the set, and assume that you have some light in your viewing room, I do not believe that you will see any difference. I prefer LCD over plasma. Admittedly this is based on seeing a lot of big screen plasmas is bright rooms, stretched SD content and other crap that people do with $5K sets, but I've never been impressed. Also, not been impressed looking in the big box show rooms.

03-06-2008, 08:26 PM	#3
scootski US Coast Guard -retired- Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northshore Lake Superior, Minneosta, USA Posts: 700	the man above is correct. Agree 100 percent. I have a LCD 720... Sony KDL40S3000.... i am beyond happy with it. Absolutely satisfied. The only this is... you have to make some adjustments to please YOURSELF. A beautiful HDTV and picture presentation. I got it all now !

03-06-2008, 08:39 PM	#5
scootski US Coast Guard -retired- Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northshore Lake Superior, Minneosta, USA Posts: 700	LCDs have the lowest failure rate. somewhere between 2 to 4 percent. Oh, they also use LESS HOUSE CURRENT (watts) too !