Why more LCD than Plasma?

pappylap · 03-07-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank123

There's a place in our area that sells apples. They have a huge orchard and have many different varieties. They have Golden delicious, Jonagold, Jonathan, McIntosh, Gala, Fuji--just all kinds of apples. I happen to like the Jonagold, myself. Now that doesn’t mean that the Jonagold is the better apple. It's just the one that I happen to like. My wife likes the Golden Delicious. I don't think that I am better at judging apples than my wife. She just happens to like the Golden delicious and I happen to like Jonagold. Because I like one type of apple and my wife likes another, it doesn’t mean that one or the other is better. It just means that we all have different tastes. That’s the way it is with apples. Now--we have Plasma and we have LCD. I wonder if comparing Plasma and LCD is something like comparing apples.

No Frank its not like apples, you see an apple is still an apple doesnt matter Jonagold or Golden Delicious they are both apples....An LCD and Plasma are very different animals they both produce video imagery but they go about it in very different ways...the LCD uses a backlight to produce the images you see on the screen and depending on the manufacturer and quality of the set the amount of backlight bleeding and consisitant temperature (6500K) throughout the panel can vary greatly. A perfect sky blue in the center of the screen may turn to purple toward the edges of the screen. The individual pixels must turn on and off in order to produce the images and this can result in motion artifacts or judder thats why response time is a major concern when considering LCD...a Plasma individually charges and lights each indiviual cell filled with phosphrous gas and ther are about 2 million of them in a 1080p..the cells once charged are always on, being used some more than others depending on how much charge they are recieving in order to produce the imagery your see so no motion artifacts due to cells switching off and on, and since each individual cell recieves its own power supply consistant temperature throughout the panel is much easier to achieve and maintain....They both produce images but as you can see in very different ways....

scootski · 03-07-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gosmosis

Maybe not an expert, but you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this subject. Thanks for that thorough, easy to understand comparison. Makes it much clearer to me at least. Luckily, my electric bill is out the roof anyway due to having teens in the house and high cost of heating. So, I could care less about a few cents per day. I need to save a few dollars a day to make any kind of difference.

Your comments about the downside of LCD is what I suspected. I also suspected that plasma excelled in those catagories. I didn't realise that plasma generated some heat though. Interesting.

So, I guess after reading all this, IMO, if LCD can vastly improve blacks and viewing angles - I would be very pleased

Hey, just crank-up the air-conditioner or your Central Air...
the power grids can handle it ! Shrub Jr will tell ya it's good
for bizz....

That'll CoooL down your room so you can
watch your heater...

mytime · 03-07-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by scootski

Hey, just crank-up the air-conditioner or your Central Air...
the power grids can handle it ! Shrub Jr will tell ya it's good
for bizz....

That'll CoooL down your room so you can
watch your heater...

I've had a LG plasma since may 07. Have not noticed it acting like a heater in any way. I would say my settop hd/dvr cable box puts off way more heat than my plasma.

scootski · 03-07-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mytime

I've had a LG plasma since may 07. Have not noticed it acting like a heater in any way. I would say my settop hd/dvr cable box puts off way more heat than my plasma.

well, for what it's worth...

the average Crockpot draws about 220W on High Heat.

So, now you can figure out how many Crockpots your
plasma is worth... in hams, beef, chicken or whatever....

mytime · 03-07-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scootski

well, for what it's worth...

the average Crockpot draws about 220W on High Heat.

So, now you can figure out how many Crockpots your
plasma is worth... in hams, beef, chicken or whatever....

Who would stick a ham in a Crockpot?

mobiushky · 03-07-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scootski

well, for what it's worth...

the average Crockpot draws about 220W on High Heat.

So, now you can figure out how many Crockpots your
plasma is worth... in hams, beef, chicken or whatever....

Are you still trying to push this BS? I thought you were done trying to mislead people with bad information that you have no proof for.

Fact, TV's draw power. Can't change that.

Fact, LCD's also generate heat, nearly as much in fact because even though the light source may not be as hot, the internal electronics and amplifiers do, and something's gotta power up that ballast.

Fact, LCD's generally draw full power anytime they are on where Plasmas do not.

Seriously, this is pathetic. You need to stop trying to spread BS like it's fact.

As for the OP, just pick for yourself.

mytime · 03-07-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mobiushky

Are you still trying to push this BS? I thought you were done trying to mislead people with bad information that you have no proof for.

Fact, TV's draw power. Can't change that.

Fact, LCD's also generate heat, nearly as much in fact because even though the light source may not be as hot, the internal electronics and amplifiers do, and something's gotta power up that ballast.

Fact, LCD's generally draw full power anytime they are on where Plasmas do not.

Seriously, this is pathetic. You need to stop trying to spread BS like it's fact.

As for the OP, just pick for yourself.

Amen.

mobiushky · 03-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Many on this forum have proven Scootski to be completely wrong time and time again. It amazes me sometimes that we still have to see this BS.

AS for the comment about the 220Watt crock pot, Uh, my 40" LCD is rated at 235Watts. And according to crutchfield, they found that LCD panel ratings are often lower than actual measured power draw. So by that logic, does that make my lcd a crock pot also?

mytime · 03-07-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mobiushky

Many on this forum have proven Scootski to be completely wrong time and time again. It amazes me sometimes that we still have to see this BS.

AS for the comment about the 220Watt crock pot, Uh, my 40" LCD is rated at 235Watts. And according to crutchfield, they found that LCD panel ratings are often lower than actual measured power draw. So by that logic, does that make my lcd a crock pot also?

This I have seen. So many his posts are opinion not fact. Plasma or LCD? To each his own, but to make the same comments that have been proven wrong again and again. Well what can you do?

Scottnot · 03-07-2008, 03:09 PM

The placebo effect at work:

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Originally Posted by mytime

I would say my settop hd/dvr cable box puts off way more heat than my plasma.

Fact: Just about any electronics gear will give off about 90% of consumed power as heat.

Fact: Your settop hd/dvr cable box consumes approximately 30-40W of power and so give off perhaps 27-37W as heat.

Fact: Your LG plasma consumes approximately 300-400W of power and so gives off perhaps 270-370W as heat (dispersed over a much wider area of course, but still heat generated and given off).

You haven't noticed?

Scottnot · 03-07-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mobiushky

So by that logic, does that make my lcd a crock pot also?

Of course it does . . . mine too.

Anyway, I'm gonna cook up a lamb roast tonight on my combination LCD TV/Crockpot . . . . any of you guys or gals wanna come over for some good eats, just bring your own beer.

mytime · 03-07-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottnot

The placebo effect at work:

Fact: Just about any electronics gear will give off about 90% of consumed power as heat.

Fact: Your settop hd/dvr cable box consumes approximately 30-40W of power and so give off perhaps 27-37W as heat.

Fact: Your LG plasma consumes approximately 300-400W of power and so gives off perhaps 270-370W as heat (dispersed over a much wider area of course, but still heat generated and given off).

You haven't noticed?

Not really, But then again have not stood over my plasma with a hygrometer. I might though to see how much heat is being put out. I'm not saying that my plasma does not put out heat. I just would not compare it to a heater. I don't doubt what you say at all. Thank you for the info.

mobiushky · 03-07-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottnot

Of course it does . . . mine too.

Anyway, I'm gonna cook up a lamb roast tonight on my combination LCD TV/Crockpot . . . . any of you guys or gals wanna come over for some good eats, just bring your own beer.

SWEET lamb! While we're there, let's fire up the crock pot and we can all sit around and watch it bubble. That's more fun than HDtv anyway! Party!

GoDJ416 · 03-07-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mobiushky

Many on this forum have proven Scootski to be completely wrong time and time again. It amazes me sometimes that we still have to see this BS.

AS for the comment about the 220Watt crock pot, Uh, my 40" LCD is rated at 235Watts. And according to crutchfield, they found that LCD panel ratings are often lower than actual measured power draw. So by that logic, does that make my lcd a crock pot also?

He has posted nothing but distorted truths and bs since he joined...

scootski · 03-07-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GoDJ416

He has posted nothing but distorted truths and bs since he joined...

your opinion... uncalled for.

I posted some techinical stuff.
However since i am done shopping for HDTVs,
i no longer have a need for this type of forum.

This forum reminds of a CB radio forum...

73, Scootski

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