LCD sets (32" and up) that display closed captions via component

Buran

Hi everyone! I became aware of this site via an article in the NY Times, and it looks like a great place to hope I can get some help on a problem I'm having.

I have an LG 32LX1D that is great except for one problem that I just discovered -- I've had a DVD player hooked up by S-Video for a long time, and I tried connecting it via component a few days ago. The picture looks MUCH better on component, naturally -- but the closed captions are lost. I know component can carry closed captions because this same player and set of component cables show captions on my JVC CRT SD TV without any problem whatsoever. But my HDTV can't do it.

I'm hard of hearing and need captions 100% of the time on TV. I have need of hooking a DVD player up to an HDTV, preferably LCD. So I am in the bind of needing to replace it if I don't want washed-out color.

If you have a DVD player connected to a set via component, try to turn on closed captions. (NOT the subtitles on the DVD!).

(If you ask "aren't they the same?" let me explain why they are not:

Closed captions for the hearing impaired (their full name) are the ones that are TV-side. They're always easy to read because they are always white against a black background, and they are designed for the hard of hearing and contain sound effect descriptions that aren't in the subtitles.

Subtitles are part of the video stream and are overlaid by the player, and are usually white, occasionally with a black border, and are sometimes hard to read. They are also missing a lot of information that is in the captions.

So, while they're easily confused, they're not the same -- and I really want the good stuff.

In other words, what I'm looking for is if you see any captions if you turn the captions on (ON or CC1) on your TV, from a DVD player connected by component cables.)

If closed captions display for you via component, please let me know the make and model of TV/tuner you are using. I'd prefer something 32" or larger. If at all possible, test with a few different DVDs and make sure that all of them show the captions. Also see if your set can display them at different resolutions -- I just picked up a Helios H2000 and I want to use the upscaling feature to display video at 1080i and still see captions.

The set also should have HDMI in, not just DVI.

Thanks.

LazerGuided

Interesting. I have a 32" Sharp Aquos 1080p. And to be honest I don't know it does CC or not. I see Captioning setup, but it doesn't give me the option to turn it on.

I will see if my manual gives me some better clues.

XDRoX

Unfortunately neither one of my players are hooked up through component, however I did try both of them.

Sony DVP-NS77H upconverting standard definition player connected through HDMI.

Toshiba A2 high definition player connected through HDMI.

Neither played the closed captions.

XDRoX

Hey, I can't even get my TV to display CC on regular TV programming. The set in my bedroom has it on, but not the one in the living room
I don't get it???
I do have the set in the living room hooked up through component, maybe that's why.
I know I'm doing it correctly.
Strange...

360kid

I did some research and this player will trnasmitt CC via component cables. It is a Philips upconvert player for under $50;

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5584897



Also, check out this website, a much better place for questions like yours.

www.alldeaf.com

This is the site that I found the player info on. It does transmitt CC, (I know the difference between CC and subtitles too).

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Buran

It's the TV that doesn't do it. The player does just fine - see my comment about my old TV.

Also, HDMI can't transmit captioning. There is no standard for doing so. it HAS to be component.

360kid

Furthur search at www.alldeaf.com shows that some Sony's HDTV support CC over component and Vizio does as well.

I have a Vizio and I checked it out, Vizio does support CC over component. In fact my Vizio has Digital CC via component as well as a 10 setting adjustment for CC such as letter colore, font size, opacity, background color, etc.

I suggest you get a Vizio. Check out Sams Club and Costco, Vizio's are awesome and affordable.

Send me a private message and I can go through my own LCD's, a Vizio, settings for CC.

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Buran

Hey, that sounds great. I'll send you a message, and I'll also look into the set you described in your sig.

I did register over there -- thanks, everyone, for the recommendation! Looks like a lot of stuff to chat about over there, too!

BobY

Well, you learn something new every day!

I thought CC was strictly for broadcast, I didn't realize there were DVD players that transmitted CC (obviously it must be encoded on the disc) and I'm particularly surprised there is some protocol for transmitting CC over Component Video and HDMI, although it makes sense.

http://www.allformp3.com/dvd-faqs/145.htm

Although Wikipedia says HDMI does not support traditional CC...

The info does say not all discs have CC and not all DVD players support CC, but that all new TV's do support CC--maybe that's only over Composite or S-Video?

Buran

HDMI designers were shortsighted when they left out closed captioning. That upsets me quite a bit.

In NTSC video, the caption data is encoded in Line 21 of the Vertical Blanking Interval, so in theory any source that can transmit standard NTSC video can transmit captions. The only reason I can think of that some sets don't do it in component video is because the TV maker got cheap and decided not to include a decoder that "listens" to that input. If a $200 JVC CRT can do it, why can't a $1000 flatpanel? Crazy.

BobY

On most DVD players the Composite/S-Video output and Component Video outputs are active at the same time (although when Component Video is enabled it screws up the Composite Video timing).

Perhaps if you have both Composite/S-Video and Component Video hooked up at the same time and CC enabled on the TV, the TV will read the CC info from the Composite/S-Video input?

Or perhaps if you have both Composite/S-Video and HDMI hooked up at the same time and CC enabled on the TV, the TV will read the CC info from the Composite/S-Video input?

It's really unlikely, but it's worth trying...

Buran

They're already both hooked up, and of course, it doesn't work.

The TV manual also says it won't work in component.

I am never buying LG again.

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ernesty

Hi Buran,

You seem to know about trouble shooting with closed caption with HD TV's via cable boxes (Comcast). I have come to believe my cc is not working either because of how the tv is set up with the cable box; or maybe there is another issue. When I go to my tv remote, furnished with the tv, press the closed caption button, the closed caption menu item is muted. The comcast guy told me he thougth it was therefore in the way the tv is set up and has nothing to do with the cable box set up to the tv. He said I should call the tv manufacturer to find out how to unmute it so it can be used. (In other words, the closed caption menu selection is grayed over unlike many other menu items which are not and easily used.) THe tv is a Samsung model LN-840510. Any thougths or ideas?

andie

i had no CC on my new 32HL67U ..called Cablevision they said it was the HD cablebox, suggested a different model, did the change and new hd box displays CC.