Half Empty or half full? Why 768x1024 is HD

John C · 02-24-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S0LE_SURVIV0R

Ward you are insane in my opinion, calling 768p sets EDTV's. Go get some help along with the people who believe the Earth is flat.

He doesn't believe it. He is just purposefully baiting people with the intention only of annoying rather than discussing or informing. He has seen that people take his ramblings seriously and he is just enjoying pushing everyone's buttons.

tanaka · 02-24-2006, 07:04 PM

Ward wrote:
"If you purchase any plasma under 50" you will be purchasing an EDTV."

wrong.

regards,
tanaka

S0LE_SURVIV0R · 02-24-2006, 07:25 PM

Hi Tanaka,
Is that your pic?
I think you're right John C, he can't be that dumb to believe that. A lot of people just like to stir shit for attention.

techjunky · 02-24-2006, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl7vk

PCMag called your TV a 4000 dollar paperweight.

Regards,
-Thomas

Can't you just "think" these comments to yourself? I would still take his set over yours anyday. Sorry but it's true.

And, don't believe everything you read!

FSTFUGGER · 02-24-2006, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl7vk

PCMag called your TV a 4000 dollar paperweight.

Regards,
-Thomas

HHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

Ward Cleaver · 02-25-2006, 04:08 AM

1024 x 768 is not true HD.

To display true HD you must have a tv that is capable of displaying a minimum resolution of 1280 x 720.

Every plasma tv under 50" on the market today has a resolution below 1280 x 720.

Regards,
-Ward

tanaka · 02-25-2006, 06:41 AM

pathetic

regards,

tanaka

S0LE_SURVIV0R · 02-25-2006, 07:00 AM

Ward, You're starting to get the rep of a shit stir-er.
You have no credibility on this forum anymore.
Sincerely,
Sole

ikjadoon · 06-12-2007, 08:16 PM

Hi. I'm new to the forum, so don't murder me.

I tried reading the whole thread, but the bickering was too much, so I stopped on page 3, lol.

I gotta agree with this Ward fellow. Whatever you think HDTV-ready means, it doesn't really matter. Any TV that doesn't have enough lines can't be called an HDTV. I wish I could say this in a nicer manner, but if you think 1024x768 is HDTV (as defined by ATSC), you're wrong.

(One could argue 1366x768 is also not HD because the pixel count is wrong. I could stand by that person, too. But a majority of people consider 1366x768 HD because it has more than enough lines to count as HD.)

HD-Ready is 99% of time used to designate the lack of an ATSC tuner. I have never heard it used in any other fashion by any person anytime, anywhere. Dunno know even why it is mentioned in this topic.

What the poop is this talk about true HD? There is no such thing. You have HD and then you have no HD. Plain and simple. You have two sets of resolutions that both qualify as HD and those two resolutions and those two alone compromise HD.

Let's just do some math, eh?

1280 x 720 = HD (Say yes or no) YES

1024 = 1280 (Say yes or no) NO
1366 = 1280 (Say yes or no) NO

In reality, then, only displays with 1280x720 or 1920x1080 can qualify as being HD. All the rest must resize, in some way or another. Even these HDTVs with these two resolutions must resize to accommodate the other, (A 1920x1080 HDTV trying to display a 1280x720 image or vice versa). One can easily argue: why does a TV who resizes an image not qualify as HDTV? Simple: because it must alter the image for it to fit.

Now the question remains, why does 1366x768 qualify as HDTV in a person's mind, while 1280x720 does not in the same person? Neither qualify as HDTV as they both contain the wrong pixel count. I'll tell you why, but this is only my opinion:

1366x768 contains more lines than the standard (1280x720) and thus people believe that since it not only matches the HDTV standard, it exceeds it, that it is then OK to qualify them as HDTV. When you go below the standard, it just doesn't feel 'right' to call it HDTV.

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~

z28rod · 06-12-2007, 08:53 PM

"Every plasma tv under 50" on the market today has a resolution below 1280 x 720."

Arnt panny's new 50" 1080p capable?

ikjadoon · 06-12-2007, 09:18 PM

Quick edit:

...now the question remains, why does 1366x768 qualify as HDTV in a person's mind, while 1024x768 does not in the same person? Neither qualify as HDTV as they both contain the wrong pixel count. I'll tell you why, but this is only my opinion...

My bad.

Plasma's, for some reason or another, want to stick to 1024x768. Why would they do this at all? Look at all the unrest it's causing!

~Ibrahim~

borromini · 06-12-2007, 09:34 PM

Man I can't believe this thread was resurrected...too much pain...leave it alone...don't start the debate all over again.

ikjadoon · 06-12-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borromini

Man I can't believe this thread was resurrected...too much pain...leave it alone...don't start the debate all over again.

lol, my bad. I just wanted this Ward guy to know that he isn't alone in the fight.

~Ibrahim~

Amateur · 06-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Hahaha, I just read alot of what was posted and I have to say it is a little obvious that Ward was just messing with your heads. I am sure by now he knows Panasonic and Pioneer are both coming out with 42 inch plasmas that have 1920x1080 resolution. Actually the Panasonic is available right now, you just have to look hard for it.

I have a question though. Why can LCDs (42" and below) produce a higher resolution and not plasmas (42" and below)?

cheezz · 06-13-2007, 02:11 AM

Where beez our man the Beaver?

02-24-2006, 07:25 PM	#138
S0LE_SURVIV0R Watch this in HD! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boston Age: 45 Posts: 287	Hi Tanaka, Is that your pic? I think you're right John C, he can't be that dumb to believe that. A lot of people just like to stir shit for attention. __________________ Sony 40 LCD flat panel XBR & Panasonic 37 768p Plasma HD TIVO The human eye can barely perceive a 1366x768 resolution 10 feet away from a 50 inch see http://proav.pubdyn.com/2005_January...rallaxview.htm 720p Fastest & Best Temporal Resolution Sony "The world's greatest high definition television"

02-25-2006, 04:08 AM	#141
Ward Cleaver 1024 x 768 Is Not True HD Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 263	1024 x 768 is not true HD. To display true HD you must have a tv that is capable of displaying a minimum resolution of 1280 x 720. Every plasma tv under 50" on the market today has a resolution below 1280 x 720. Regards, -Ward __________________ The ATSC (the body whch sets the standards for HDTV) recognizes only two standards for HDTV...1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080 www.atsc.org The ATSC standards for HDTV are recognized by the FCC. Last edited by Ward Cleaver; 02-25-2006 at 04:15 AM.

02-25-2006, 07:00 AM	#143
S0LE_SURVIV0R Watch this in HD! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boston Age: 45 Posts: 287	Ward, You're starting to get the rep of a shit stir-er. You have no credibility on this forum anymore. Sincerely, Sole __________________ Sony 40 LCD flat panel XBR & Panasonic 37 768p Plasma HD TIVO The human eye can barely perceive a 1366x768 resolution 10 feet away from a 50 inch see http://proav.pubdyn.com/2005_January...rallaxview.htm 720p Fastest & Best Temporal Resolution Sony "The world's greatest high definition television"

06-12-2007, 09:34 PM	#147
borromini HT Frontiersman Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 9,825	Man I can't believe this thread was resurrected...too much pain...leave it alone...don't start the debate all over again. __________________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

06-13-2007, 02:11 AM	#150
cheezz High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 938	Where beez our man the Beaver? __________________ Word for today is "LEGS" Now go and spread the word ================== Sony LCD KDL32XBR6 Moto DCT 3416 I Sony LCD KDL46XBR2 Moto DCH-3416, Panny BD55/Tosh HD-XA2 Xbox 360 Elite My New Year's Resolution is 1920 x 1080

02-24-2006, 07:04 PM	#137
tanaka Paradigm Studios' Babey! Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 210	Ward wrote: "If you purchase any plasma under 50" you will be purchasing an EDTV." wrong. regards, tanaka

02-25-2006, 06:41 AM	#142
tanaka Paradigm Studios' Babey! Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 210	pathetic regards, tanaka

06-12-2007, 08:16 PM	#144
ikjadoon How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 21	Hi. I'm new to the forum, so don't murder me. I tried reading the whole thread, but the bickering was too much, so I stopped on page 3, lol. I gotta agree with this Ward fellow. Whatever you think HDTV-ready means, it doesn't really matter. Any TV that doesn't have enough lines can't be called an HDTV. I wish I could say this in a nicer manner, but if you think 1024x768 is HDTV (as defined by ATSC), you're wrong. (One could argue 1366x768 is also not HD because the pixel count is wrong. I could stand by that person, too. But a majority of people consider 1366x768 HD because it has more than enough lines to count as HD.) HD-Ready is 99% of time used to designate the lack of an ATSC tuner. I have never heard it used in any other fashion by any person anytime, anywhere. Dunno know even why it is mentioned in this topic. What the poop is this talk about true HD? There is no such thing. You have HD and then you have no HD. Plain and simple. You have two sets of resolutions that both qualify as HD and those two resolutions and those two alone compromise HD. Let's just do some math, eh? 1280 x 720 = HD (Say yes or no) YES 1024 = 1280 (Say yes or no) NO 1366 = 1280 (Say yes or no) NO In reality, then, only displays with 1280x720 or 1920x1080 can qualify as being HD. All the rest must resize, in some way or another. Even these HDTVs with these two resolutions must resize to accommodate the other, (A 1920x1080 HDTV trying to display a 1280x720 image or vice versa). One can easily argue: why does a TV who resizes an image not qualify as HDTV? Simple: because it must alter the image for it to fit. Now the question remains, why does 1366x768 qualify as HDTV in a person's mind, while 1280x720 does not in the same person? Neither qualify as HDTV as they both contain the wrong pixel count. I'll tell you why, but this is only my opinion: 1366x768 contains more lines than the standard (1280x720) and thus people believe that since it not only matches the HDTV standard, it exceeds it, that it is then OK to qualify them as HDTV. When you go below the standard, it just doesn't feel 'right' to call it HDTV. Thanks! ~Ibrahim~

06-12-2007, 08:53 PM	#145
z28rod I love my plasma Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 51 Posts: 1,699	"Every plasma tv under 50" on the market today has a resolution below 1280 x 720." Arnt panny's new 50" 1080p capable?

06-12-2007, 09:18 PM	#146
ikjadoon How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 21	Quick edit: ...now the question remains, why does 1366x768 qualify as HDTV in a person's mind, while 1024x768 does not in the same person? Neither qualify as HDTV as they both contain the wrong pixel count. I'll tell you why, but this is only my opinion... My bad. Plasma's, for some reason or another, want to stick to 1024x768. Why would they do this at all? Look at all the unrest it's causing! ~Ibrahim~

06-13-2007, 01:02 AM	#149
Amateur My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9	Hahaha, I just read alot of what was posted and I have to say it is a little obvious that Ward was just messing with your heads. I am sure by now he knows Panasonic and Pioneer are both coming out with 42 inch plasmas that have 1920x1080 resolution. Actually the Panasonic is available right now, you just have to look hard for it. I have a question though. Why can LCDs (42" and below) produce a higher resolution and not plasmas (42" and below)?