Are Panasonic EDTV'S Good And Is EDTV HD?

techjunky · 02-14-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rickbbb

techjunkie..I think YOU need the Beaver too .

My wife is in the other room, and she I'm quite sure that the "Beav" will make an appearence tonight!

If you can't add anything related to the topic at hand, don't post! Oh........ What's that dear? I'll be right there!

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by techjunky

Here is some more info I dug up on EDTV.

OK let's name the most worthy EDTV contenders:

the Panasonic TH-42PWD7UY plasma TV
the NEC 42VR5 plasma TV
the Fujitsu P42VHA40US plasma TV
There's another EDTV screen size but the manufacturers are not really up to the same standards as the Panny and the NEC. The Daewoo 46 inch plasma TV can be useful for viewing distances greater than 12 feet. It's a low budget, no frills plasma. We only mention it if you don't want to step up to the 50 inch HDTV size.

Standard TV has 525 lines of interlaced video. Interlacing means that the video (which is split into 2 fields) gets shown alternately. Of the 525 lines only 480 have a video signal. That’s the 480i you see floating around in all the EDTV vs HDTV specifications.

While standard TV has worked well for years TV sets have gotten bigger and the deficiencies of SD (standard TV) have become magnified.

There's no question that in EDTV vs HDTV the HDTV (for now) is the ultimate in PQ (picture quality). HDTV stands for High Definition TV. EDTV is the 2nd best PQ that we have. EDTV stands for Enhanced Definition TV.

EDTV has the same 480 lines as SD, but they are progressive scan. SD uses 480i (interlaced) and EDTV uses 480p (progressive scan). DVD players uses progressive scan to display PQ and EDTVs do a great job of displaying them.

Progressive scanning means that instead of splitting the signal into two fields and showing half the lines at a time, all 480 lines of video are shown at once. That’s one of the reasons why DVDs look so sharp on your SD TV.

So the big question is --which format should you go with-- EDTV vs HDTV??? Well the truth is it depends upon 3 things......

your budget
your seating distance
your viewing habits
Right now there is very limited TV content available in HDTV format. So you won't get the full viewing impact of HDTV. Another factor weighing in against HDTV is how much DVD viewing do you do?

A controversial point disputed by many HDTV owners is that some TV experts believe that shows watched from a DVD player on EDTV displays better.

Why? Because there's no scaling to be done by the EDTV. An HDTV needs to re-process the signal before it can display it to you. As said before a DVD player's natural resolution matches that of the EDTV format.

Perhaps the most important factor is the viewing distance. How good the PQ is has a lot to do with seating distance. It's a fact that if you sit 8 feet or more from you TV you won't be able to tell the difference in sharpness between a 42-inch EDTV and a 42-inch HDTV side by side.

If you get close to an EDTV say 6 feet or less you start to see the screen door effect (SDE). That's when you start to see the actual pixels on the EDTV.

If you watch sports, the Discovery channel and other channels that will eventually swing into HD programming and you sit close to you TV then HDTV may be for you.

At this point in time EDTV vs HDTV depends mostly upon your viewing distance. If you have the bucks or you sit close to you TV than the EDTV vs HDTV choice is HDTV.

That was actually a decent post. Good points. I sit 12 ft. from my set, so I guess that makes sense. DVD's look spectacular. The closer you are the more pixels you need I guess.

FSTFUGGER · 02-14-2006, 09:30 PM

FYI-

852 x 480 is the ONLY "ED" resolution out there smart guy.

Anything higher is considered HD not ED. Ward, you find me anywhere on the panasonic site or anywhere that says a TV that shows higher resolution than 852 x 480 or 480P is called ED! The PD50U and PM50U are the only US consumer (not commercial), panasonic plasma EDtvs that panasonic sells. So, if they are the lower tier, then what's above that? Im willing to bet anything you find will be called HD. You couldn't be more wrong. The Panasonic PX50U which is the HD version of the PD50U has a resolution of 1024 x 768, or 720P which is "HD". The Panny EDtvs are the best ED plasmas on the market. for every negative review you can find, I bet I can find 10 glowing reviews.

Cnet's average rating from 49 users...
8.6 out of 10
http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH...-31325126.html

Before I bought this ED plasma, i read through all the available reviews here and do you know what the main reason I kept reading was that people didnt like about it????? NO PIP like last years model!

hdtvpros.com · 02-14-2006, 09:39 PM

Hay, Cass. Lets change the Forum name to

www.Flamewarhd.com

And for get about using this site to help people.

techjunky · 02-14-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

That was actually a decent post. Good points. I sit 12 ft. from my set, so I guess that makes sense. DVD's look spectacular. The closer you are the more pixels you need I guess.

So is that kind of like"The more beer you drink, the better she looks"?

zedd · 02-14-2006, 10:08 PM

In sure the person who asked the original question of this thread find ya alls childishness amusing, or at least i do. But, did anyone here answer the persons question?
The last person who responded before me who seems to have a coment on everything admitted in an earlier thread he doesnt own a flat panel tv even, he sold his projector to his buddie. oh yeah, im sorry, he's a saleman and has them in his store..not in his home.
In the next thread i post a nice aritcle that should help the original poster in this thread and hopefully quiet the rest of you children down.

I came here to learn, children such as many of you here make it almost impossible to do so.

Equally i dont like sheep either, those who come here to ask others what they should see or think or buy. They should get off there lazy butts and do their own homework such as many of us here have done.
It makes NO DIFFERENCE if someone owns top of the line or the bottom of it, they are all in the hi-def club and even if not derserve respect and if not themselfs respectfull, to be ignored...get a life and grow up people, you embarrass yourselfs and are to ignorant to realise it!

John C · 02-14-2006, 10:16 PM

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CEA said 85 percent of DTV displays sold in 2004 were capable of displaying a picture in HDTV resolution, while the remaining 15 percent were enhanced definition televisions (EDTV). With escalating volumes of smaller screen DTVs in the market this year, the percentage of HDTV sales is projected to shrink slightly to 64 percent , according to CEA forecasts. SOURCE , according to CEA forecasts.

With 7.3 million DTVs sold in 2004, a 15 percent marketshare for EDTV sets would amount to a little over a million units sold. Personally, I own a HDTV and am glad I do. Most people who bought over the last few years made the same decision as demonstrated by the stats above. But there were more than a million people in 2004 alone who decided to go a different direction. That doesn't make anyone right or wrong, we simply have different wants, needs, and priorities.

For whatever it is worth, I did not see anything wrong with Techjunky's review. There are strengths and weaknesses of every choice and we would not be giving people the information they needed if we only discussed the positive factors. People should know about the negatives to help them make an informed decision. Posting negative information about technologies on this forum is a good thing.

After that, there were a lot of negative comments that were personal in nature and that I would consider inappropriate. I am not a mod here so I have no authority to do anything except state my own opinion, but as a member of this community I will say that I hope we all do a better job going forward of having a vigorous debate about the technologies without repeatedly sinking into these mud slinging contests that keep emerging.

Ward Cleaver · 02-15-2006, 04:46 AM

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Posted By TechJunky - "At this point in time EDTV vs HDTV depends mostly upon your viewing distance. If you have the bucks or you sit close to you TV than the EDTV vs HDTV choice is HDTV."

My, that is certainly a complete turnaround from anything else you've ever posted out here concerning EDTV versus HDTV.

Regards,
-Ward

Ward Cleaver · 02-15-2006, 07:32 AM

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Posted By FstFugger - "852 x 480 is the ONLY "ED" resolution out there."

No plasma tv under 50" is capable of displaying true HDTV.
Any knowledgeable person out here on this forum will tell you the same thing.

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Posted By FstFugger - "...a resolution of 1024 x 768, or 720P...is "HD."

Perhaps you missed my earlier post that addressed this.
I will repeat it here for you and enlighten you a little bit...

Some manufacturers promote TVs with a maximum resolution of 1024 x 768 pixels as "HDTV ready." This is incorrect. Although the total number of vertical pixels is greater than the 720 minimum necessary for HDTV, at an aspect ratio of 16:9 it would need 1280 pixels horizontally to display a 720-line HDTV picture.

Regards,
-Ward

myers830 · 02-15-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChadT74

First off to respond to that one negative review posted, that guy is a tool, it CLEARLY says in the manual not to do what he did (side panel burn in); read the manual.

Wow I must say that a couple of you on this thread are really coming off as an under endowed male who is trying to make up for certain shortcomings by throwing around the huge number of pixels your TV can show...

I read this forum since I was interested in buying a flat panel TV due to the fact that I live in a condo and I wanted something I could hang on a wall. I appreciate the fact that many of you here are early adapters who strive to get the most out of your TVs and I have learned a ton, but the fact is that you are basically telling everyone to buy the best without considering their own situations.

Saying garbage like a 'good choice for fiscally Challenged’ is just down right insulting. I am in no way 'fiscally challenged' the fact that I could not see the $1K difference after looking at two TVs for 3 months on top of my limited usage of TVs makes me 'fiscally Challenged’? Thank food stamps and minimum wage so I could afford the marble bathrooms , granite countertops (and floor) in my kitchen which catch the shine of all stainless steel appliances quite nice. Oh and ghetto government assisted EDTV I bought (cash) because it is a good choice for the fiscally challenged.

I got to where I am because I am able to think for myself and not piss money away and yes I am getting HD signals on my EDTV and if it never gets any better I will be very happy with my TV. "Diz iz a goud pictzure" is exactly what the cable installer said when he saw the first HD broadcast was received by my TV. Ok so maybe I'll never rub one out to a Discovery HD documentary on groundhogs because the picture is AMAZING but everyone who has seen my TV along with (most importantly) myself enjoy the images. Yes for some of you you’d pay the extra for the higher quality picture, but just because someone has a different opinion or situation does not mean they are wrong.

I run with the big dogs every day, I don't need to pay a certain amount for a TV to validate me.

You are NOT fiscally challenged...you are a smart cookie. I made the ED decision 2 years ago, and back then I could not see enough picture quailty difference that justified spending (back then) an extra $1500 to have an HD plasma. People to this day (that have HD sets of other brands) come over to my house and are floored by the awesome picture my Panny ED plasma has...on BOTH SD and HD formats. They hav eno clue it's an ED set. I also said recently that I would probably not buy another ED set IF, (and only IF) the price differential were to be less than $500 between the two. Well the price differential is still about $800-$1000, so for my money I would still take that $1000 and put it in my pocket. I know most would not...but I love my ED plasma and I know I made the right choice for me. The colors, blacks, grays are just incredible.

JMM

rickbbb · 02-15-2006, 09:20 AM

He's right.The EDTV Plasma Panasonic has a fantastic picture.It even looks BETTER than most HDTV pictures I've seen.
I've read all your opinions about this topic and they are all quite informational and give me something to think about before I buy my next tv.
Thankyou all.

Ward Cleaver · 02-15-2006, 12:14 PM

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Posted By Rickbbb - "The EDTV Plasma Panasonic has a fantastic picture. It even looks BETTER than most HDTV pictures I've seen."

That is your opinion based on your own subjective criteria.

I have never seen an EDTV that rivals the resolution of an HDTV when the two are compared side by side.

Bottom line, an HDTV is capable of displaying HD....EDTV is not.

Regards,
-Ward

rickbbb · 02-15-2006, 12:30 PM

Yadah,yadah,yadah Ward...and blah,blah,blah.......and yawn.

hdtv4me2 · 02-15-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FSTFUGGER

The Panasonic PX50U which is the HD version of the PD50U has a resolution of 1024 x 768, or 720P which is "HD". !

That resolution is true for the 42 inchers and smaller but the 50" is 1366 x 768. By definition, to be considered HD, resolution must be at least 1280 x 720.

sl7vk · 02-15-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hdtv4me2

That resolution is true for the 42 inchers and smaller but the 50" is 1366 x 768. By definition, to be considered HD, resolution must be at least 1280 x 720.

Don't you think that screen size plays a role in all of this? Just for the sake of argument.
42" HD Plasma 1024 x 768 = 786,432 pixels
50" HD Plasma 1366 x 768 = 1,050,624 pixels

That is to say that you get 22% more pixels. Yet there is 40% larger viewable area? So in reality the 42" 1024 x 768 gives you more pixels per square inch then the 50"... Right? Again, just for the sake of argument...

02-14-2006, 09:30 PM	#63
FSTFUGGER Panasonic "ED" Plasma! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 94	FYI- 852 x 480 is the ONLY "ED" resolution out there smart guy. Anything higher is considered HD not ED. Ward, you find me anywhere on the panasonic site or anywhere that says a TV that shows higher resolution than 852 x 480 or 480P is called ED! The PD50U and PM50U are the only US consumer (not commercial), panasonic plasma EDtvs that panasonic sells. So, if they are the lower tier, then what's above that? Im willing to bet anything you find will be called HD. You couldn't be more wrong. The Panasonic PX50U which is the HD version of the PD50U has a resolution of 1024 x 768, or 720P which is "HD". The Panny EDtvs are the best ED plasmas on the market. for every negative review you can find, I bet I can find 10 glowing reviews. Cnet's average rating from 49 users... 8.6 out of 10 http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH...-31325126.html Before I bought this ED plasma, i read through all the available reviews here and do you know what the main reason I kept reading was that people didnt like about it????? NO PIP like last years model! Last edited by FSTFUGGER; 02-14-2006 at 09:44 PM.

02-15-2006, 09:20 AM	#71
rickbbb Phillips 47 Inch LCD HDTV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern California Age: 51 Posts: 2,108	Edtv He's right.The EDTV Plasma Panasonic has a fantastic picture.It even looks BETTER than most HDTV pictures I've seen. I've read all your opinions about this topic and they are all quite informational and give me something to think about before I buy my next tv. Thankyou all. __________________ \

02-15-2006, 12:30 PM	#73
rickbbb Phillips 47 Inch LCD HDTV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern California Age: 51 Posts: 2,108	Ward Cleaver Yadah,yadah,yadah Ward...and blah,blah,blah.......and yawn. __________________ \

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