Are Panasonic EDTV'S Good And Is EDTV HD?

ChadT74 · 02-14-2006, 08:46 AM

First off to respond to that one negative review posted, that guy is a tool, it CLEARLY says in the manual not to do what he did (side panel burn in); read the manual.

Wow I must say that a couple of you on this thread are really coming off as an under endowed male who is trying to make up for certain shortcomings by throwing around the huge number of pixels your TV can show...

I read this forum since I was interested in buying a flat panel TV due to the fact that I live in a condo and I wanted something I could hang on a wall. I appreciate the fact that many of you here are early adapters who strive to get the most out of your TVs and I have learned a ton, but the fact is that you are basically telling everyone to buy the best without considering their own situations.

Saying garbage like a 'good choice for fiscally Challenged’ is just down right insulting. I am in no way 'fiscally challenged' the fact that I could not see the $1K difference after looking at two TVs for 3 months on top of my limited usage of TVs makes me 'fiscally Challenged’? Thank food stamps and minimum wage so I could afford the marble bathrooms , granite countertops (and floor) in my kitchen which catch the shine of all stainless steel appliances quite nice. Oh and ghetto government assisted EDTV I bought (cash) because it is a good choice for the fiscally challenged.

I got to where I am because I am able to think for myself and not piss money away and yes I am getting HD signals on my EDTV and if it never gets any better I will be very happy with my TV. "Diz iz a goud pictzure" is exactly what the cable installer said when he saw the first HD broadcast was received by my TV. Ok so maybe I'll never rub one out to a Discovery HD documentary on groundhogs because the picture is AMAZING but everyone who has seen my TV along with (most importantly) myself enjoy the images. Yes for some of you you’d pay the extra for the higher quality picture, but just because someone has a different opinion or situation does not mean they are wrong.

I run with the big dogs every day, I don't need to pay a certain amount for a TV to validate me.

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

sl7vk, are you trying to convince us or yourself?

Bottom line, you have an EDTV...and a low resolution EDTV at that.
You cannot receive high definition programming.

Here, I'll quote for you from a link which you supplied from CNets Review of your tv in another thread...
"The Panasonic TH-42PD50U has a native resolution of 852x480, which is significantly less than many other 42-inch plasmas...it will never be able to display the same level of detail of higher-resolution sets...while EDTVs aren't necessarily for losers, those who can pay extra to get higher resolution may want to."
http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH...2.html?tag=nav

Sl7vk, it would appear that not only is your tv an EDTV, but it is also a rather low resolution EDTV...a low tier budget model...when compared to other 42" plasmas.

With a low resolution panel such as you have, I wouldn't advise you to go out on the interent and brag about it.
In fact, I might suggest that if you can't run with the big dogs that you stay on the porch.

Regards,
-Ward

Ward you continue to rule the "most condescending poster" catagory here. Congrats!

First off, before you post figure out what you're talking about. This isn't a low definition ED set. ED is ED. This is the top of the line ED set on the market at the moment. Get your facts right.

Oh, and I still challenge you to find a site with a review of your TV that is better then mine. Yes, that 4 grand LCD with its ghosting and vibrating speakers has rated quite poorly, so you shouldn't be throwing around condscending posts with such disdain. Worry about your own problems my friend.

The poster above made me LOL. How true. So many "small" men around here. If telling your wife you have 1920 pixels across makes you feel better in the sack, then so be it.

In the mean time, I'm quite happy with my government cheese and the Panasonic ED tv I have. Being the financially challenged 27 year old I am, owning my home, having paid off two cars, and having more in my retirement plan then most 40 year olds, I had to break out the penny jar for this set..... Grow up.

techjunky · 02-14-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hdaddict

And now your talking down to people on this forum with your "Financially Challenged" quote about 'ED' owners.......well I hate to inform you but there are dozens of happy 'ED' owners that post on this forum that are more than financially able to purchase an 'HD' plasma if they so desired........(and pay for it in cash and not credit).

So I would watch how I throw quotes around the forum about peoples financial status until you know some of the people. You might find that their savings accounts are far better off than your own and whether they own 'ED' vs 'HD' is not an indicator of worth, I'm pretty sure your bank account is the indicator, not material posessions. In fact most people that acquire wealth the old-fashioned way dont gain that wealth by making foolish purchases, and certainly not by using credit to make most of their luxury purchases. The old saying goes; if you have to use credit, then you cant afford it. You have to step back and think that possibly some of us couldnt justify spending the extra $$$ for only 10-20% diff in PQ, and some us paid $3-4k for those 'ED' set s 2-4 yrs ago and at that time an equal size 'HD' set was $2k more and there wasnt 2k worth of PQ difference, and that my friend is where a fool and his money part.

First of all, was I putting down people that can't afford a "HD" display?
No, I was merely stating that an "ed" television was a decent choice for a consumer on a very strict budget. I do disagree with the statments that you can't get an "HD"set for the price of many of the "ed" sets though. Many "ed" sets are just as expensive as a lot of the "HD" sets in the 32" to 40"range. When you start talking about larger screen sizes, that is where the price starts to separate more. No offense, but if some of you paid $3 to 4k for an ED television 2-4 years ago, then you were not very wise consumers. If you absolutly had to have the latest technology at that time, why would you sell yourself short and compromise for the second best? Cost? Was cost that big of a factor that you would want to have a television that would be quite inferior in a few short years. Was it cheaper in the long run to know that you would have to upgrade in a few years to have the "HD" set that is now the standard? As far as your comments about where a fool and his money part, I am assuming you are reffering to yourself. I will give an example of a smart consumer (such as myself)
Retail price for my Dennon AVR-4800 was $2499.00 price paid $999.00 at an online electronics store. The product is flawless
Retail price for my Sharp Aquos LC-37Db5u was around 3K and in many places much higher. Price paid in Dec. 2005 was $1850.00
I don't feel the need to go through all of my electronics and disclose the great deals I got on them, but you get my point now. A wise consumer will find a way to get what he or she wants. You don't have to charge up credit cards to get what you want. Shop around, if need be wait a couple months until the prices drop. Would that kill you on a purchase that you will be living with for many years to come? Just to let you know, not that it matters to anyone but me, but I have purchased all of my electronics with cash in hand. I even have friends that call me a "tightwad". Guess what though, I have a home theater in my living room and bedroom that are a source of envy from friends, and they are paid for in full. I don't have one cent on a credit card! So, to some this rant up, do your homework and shop around, when you don't do either of these is when a fool and his money can easily part ways. By the way (hdaddict), on top of being frugal and still being able to purchase extravagant electronics, I also have 10% of every paycheck going into a 401k loaded with mutual funds.

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 09:19 AM

You also bag on us for having ED sets, even though you've got your family huddled around a 37" primary set Techjunky. Your TV is worth as much as mine, so get over yourself. I can return my product any time I bloody want, but this has been one of the better purchases I've made. God knows if I'm not satisfied, I bring things back, just ask Costco or anyone else. What escapes you is that everyone who has this set LOVES it.

Do you potentially see a conection Techjunky? No of course not, all of us just dont' know what we are talking about in your mind.

Now scat, and discuss the benefits of small LCD panels elsewhere.

techjunky · 02-14-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

You also bag on us for having ED sets, even though you've got your family huddled around a 37" primary set Techjunky. Your TV is worth as much as mine, so get over yourself. I can return my product any time I bloody want, but this has been one of the better purchases I've made. God knows if I'm not satisfied, I bring things back, just ask Costco or anyone else. What escapes you is that everyone who has this set LOVES it.

Do you potentially see a conection Techjunky? No of course not, all of us just dont' know what we are talking about in your mind.

Now scat, and discuss the benefits of small LCD panels elsewhere.

Must you always resort to size (sl7vk) of the display. For your information my family used to have 55"'HD" RPTV televisions in both the living room and the master bedroom. We decided that a quailty picture was far more important than the gigantic size. They love the new LCD sets and so do I. As for returning my televisions, I don't ever see that as a desire of mine. I have multiple authorized dealers within 5 miles that could work on my televisions warranty work if I ever had a problem. Free of charge I might add, due to the excellent extended warranty I purchased. It was wise of you to purchase from Costco though, for it seems more and more with your posts that it is very likely a possibility of a return in your future. So please relax, you can still return your set when you are finally convinced of your mistake in purchasing it. By the way, I am free to post anywhere and everywhere I choose to.

Ward Cleaver · 02-14-2006, 11:31 AM

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Posted By sl7vk - "First off, before you post, figure out what you're talking about. This isn't a low definition ED set. ED is ED."

It's not what "I'm" talking about sl7vk, it's what the C-Net review of your EDTV is talking about in the link that you gave me...
http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH...2.html?tag=nav

Again, I will quote from that review concerning your particular model EDTV...

"The TH-42PD50U has a native resolution of 852x480, which is significantly less than many other 42-inch plasmas."

The resolution on your EDTV is 852 x 480.
The resolution on most other 42" EDTV's nowadays is 1024 x 768.

So yes, when compared to the normal 42" EDTV resolution of 1024 x 768, your tv's resolution of 852 x 480 would indeed qualify (and quantify) it as being a "low" definition EDTV...certainly a "lower" definition than the standard 1024 x 768 found on most other 42" EDTV's nowadays.
What you have is a lower tiered, "budget model" EDTV.

Now, those are the facts.

Additionally, you should attempt to take the high road by staying on the subject matter of the thread and not come out here and levy immature personal insults or make personal comments directed at me simply because you're irritated that your television only has a resolution of 852 x 480.

On the other hand, neihter should you come out here to a High Definition forum and declare that your 852 x 480 television blows away 2/3's of the HDTV's on the market today.
Such comments make you sound foolish and laughable and lead me to believe that you are either trolling or else suffering from a very severe case of sour grapes.

Regards,
-Ward

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

Now, those are the facts.
You should attempt to take the high road by staying on the subject matter of the thread and not come out here and levy immature personal insults or make personal comments directed at me simply because you're irritated that your television only has a resolution of 852 x 480.

This right here clearly illustrates the contradiction that is Ward Beaver. Don't make personal insults, because your television only has 852 X 480 res. I imagine that you're too thick to understand the irony of your statement.

So I guess in your world 1024 x 768 aren't HD sets either, being that they aren't "full" HD. So in your world there is no under 50 inch plasma that is HD. So all the 42 inch plasma HD owners need not post on this site according to you?

Well, since you've been leveling the personal jabs from the beginning, I am happy to fire back. You don't have many friends do you Ward? I imagine the first girl you did is now your wife too. Good for you. Again, I'll reissue my challenge. Find me a website that reviews your TV better then mine, and we'll talk.

Regards!

Thomas

picaddict · 02-14-2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl7vk

This right here clearly illustrates the contradiction that is Ward Beaver. Don't make personal insults, because your television only has 852 X 480 res. I imagine that you're too thick to understand the irony of your statement.

So I guess in your world 1024 x 768 aren't HD sets either, being that they aren't "full" HD. So in your world there is no under 50 inch plasma that is HD. So all the 42 inch plasma HD owners need not post on this site according to you?

Well, since you've been leveling the personal jabs from the beginning, I am happy to fire back. You don't have many friends do you Ward? I imagine the first girl you did is now your wife too. Good for you. Again, I'll reissue my challenge. Find me a website that reviews your TV better then mine, and we'll talk.

Regards!

Thomas

How many threads must there be regarding ED vs HD where SL7VK gets all heated up. Just go back to his previous posts and its the same thing every time. We get that you like your TV. We get that to you, ED is as good as HD. Many of us may not agree, but if you're happy with your purchase..GREAT. All I know is ED reminds me of a condition I would rather not have. If you must continue to talk about your awesome panny ED maybe you should start:

myawesomepannyedtvisbetterthanyourhdtvforum.com

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by picaddict

How many threads must there be regarding ED vs HD where SL7VK gets all heated up. Just go back to his previous posts and its the same thing every time. We get that you like your TV. We get that to you, ED is as good as HD. Many of us may not agree, but if you're happy with your purchase..GREAT. All I know is ED reminds me of a condition I would rather not have. If you must continue to talk about your awesome panny ED maybe you should start:

myawesomepannyedtvisbetterthanyourhdtvforum.com

Note the title of this thread. If you don't want to discuss or add anything, then there is really no need to post. Someone asked for an opinion on this TV.

Maybe you should start a thread yourself.

ihavemorepixelsthenyou.com

mypixelsaresmallerthenyours.com

mytvcanoutpixelyours.com

mytvisbetterthenyoursbecauseithasbettersspecs.com

rickbbb · 02-14-2006, 12:25 PM

Boys,Boys ! Calm Down !

I love a great HD picture on a tv set.But when I wasat Circuit City -IN PERSON- I was amazed how great the picture on the 42 inch Plasma EDTV panasonic was.I'm not sure if the 4000:1 aspect ratio this set has is why the picture on it is so sharp and clear.along with the built-in ATSC tuner. When the salesman told me it was'nt an HDTV..I was shocked !

I'm a VERY picky consumer.Extremely picky.And I have 20/20 vision.
Even THIS tv tricked me and made me think it was an HDTV.Looked like it was worth $3,000 or $4,000 ! It was selling at Circuit city for $1,899.00. I almst bought it ,but they were sold out and told me it would take a week or two to have one delivered to me.

I'm still not convinced though..if I should buy a EDTV. $1,899.00 is still alot of money..plus there's tax added and delivery charge..will come to over $2,000 !

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 12:28 PM

Rick, I don't know if you are a Costco or Sams Club member, but the same TV (minus the built in tuner) has been going for 1699 and 1599 respectivly. No delivery options unfortunatly. But, hey, you can't beat Costco's return policy (bring it back at any time for any reason)!

rickbbb · 02-14-2006, 12:37 PM

Yes,I AM a Costco member

I just wish they accepted VISA credit cards at Costco stores.I usually don't have enough cash in my checking account and I don't have or want an American express card.

sl7vk · 02-14-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rickbbb

Yes,I AM a Costco member

I just wish they accepted VISA credit cards at Costco stores.I usually don't have enough cash in my checking account and I don't have or want an American express card.

I certainly understand that. If they would finance their TV's it would be a total no brainer. Hmmm.... Here's an idea. I had Sears pricematch my TV from Costco. I had them pricematch the 1699 and they agreed! I forgot about that. I've attached one of the correspondences below. I ended up going through Costco anyways, but maybe that can be your play!

Please include the following line in all replies.
Tracking number: UT20051122_0000006584

Quote:

Dear Mr.

Thank you for contacting Sears.

We will match the price of $1699.99, as you presented from costco.com.
Please keep in mind that we honor the difference between our price plus
shipping versus our competitor’s price plus shipping, but we do not honor
a competitor’s offer for free shipping. In such a case, we compare the
prices only. We will honor this price for seven (7) days. The offer will
expire on 11/30/05. This price is good for only the Panasonic 42 in.
Plasma TV/EDTV, Sears item #05775535000.

To take advantage of this offer, please phone in your order at
1-800-349-4358. You can also place your order online and then respond to
this email with your sears.com order number. Please be sure to respond
with history and in text format, so that this message is included. We
would then manually adjust your account for 110% of the difference, not
for an additional 10% off the final price matched.

If you want to place the order for store pick-up or to purchase the item
from your local store, you will need to print the competitor’s order
status page and the sears.com page for the item. The store would then
review your request, as we cannot approve a price match on behalf of your
local store. When orders are placed for store pick-up, we transfer the
order to the store selected. This means that you are buying the item from
the local store and from the inventory that they have on hand, not sears.
com. We do not ship items from our sears.com warehouse to the store. We
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rickbbb · 02-14-2006, 01:16 PM

Thankyou ! I will definitely think about doing that.Sears is a good store and accepts Visa credit cards !

techjunky · 02-14-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickbbb

Boys,Boys ! Calm Down !

I love a great HD picture on a tv set.But when I wasat Circuit City -IN PERSON- I was amazed how great the picture on the 42 inch Plasma EDTV panasonic was.I'm not sure if the 4000:1 aspect ratio this set has is why the picture on it is so sharp and clear.along with the built-in ATSC tuner. When the salesman told me it was'nt an HDTV..I was shocked !

I'm a VERY picky consumer.Extremely picky.And I have 20/20 vision.
Even THIS tv tricked me and made me think it was an HDTV.Looked like it was worth $3,000 or $4,000 ! It was selling at Circuit city for $1,899.00. I almst bought it ,but they were sold out and told me it would take a week or two to have one delivered to me.

I'm still not convinced though..if I should buy a EDTV. $1,899.00 is still alot of money..plus there's tax added and delivery charge..will come to over $2,000 !

Don't get fooled by these outlandish contrast ratios that some manufactures state in their specs. There is no such thing as 4000 to 1 contrast ratio. You should study up on contrast ratio before falling for that one. Samsung claims to have the (dynamic contrast ratio) which they claim is 3000 to 1. I was originally considering a "40" Samsung LCD before I purchased my Aquos. I saw no noticable difference between the two sets even though Sharp claims to have a meager 800 to 1 contrast ratio. One more thing, If you can't pay for it in cash, then you can't afford it.

02-14-2006, 09:19 AM	#34
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	You also bag on us for having ED sets, even though you've got your family huddled around a 37" primary set Techjunky. Your TV is worth as much as mine, so get over yourself. I can return my product any time I bloody want, but this has been one of the better purchases I've made. God knows if I'm not satisfied, I bring things back, just ask Costco or anyone else. What escapes you is that everyone who has this set LOVES it. Do you potentially see a conection Techjunky? No of course not, all of us just dont' know what we are talking about in your mind. Now scat, and discuss the benefits of small LCD panels elsewhere. __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-14-2006, 12:25 PM	#40
rickbbb Phillips 47 Inch LCD HDTV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern California Age: 51 Posts: 2,108	Boys,Boys ! Calm Down ! Boys,Boys ! Calm Down ! I love a great HD picture on a tv set.But when I wasat Circuit City -IN PERSON- I was amazed how great the picture on the 42 inch Plasma EDTV panasonic was.I'm not sure if the 4000:1 aspect ratio this set has is why the picture on it is so sharp and clear.along with the built-in ATSC tuner. When the salesman told me it was'nt an HDTV..I was shocked ! I'm a VERY picky consumer.Extremely picky.And I have 20/20 vision. Even THIS tv tricked me and made me think it was an HDTV.Looked like it was worth $3,000 or $4,000 ! It was selling at Circuit city for $1,899.00. I almst bought it ,but they were sold out and told me it would take a week or two to have one delivered to me. I'm still not convinced though..if I should buy a EDTV. $1,899.00 is still alot of money..plus there's tax added and delivery charge..will come to over $2,000 ! __________________ \ Last edited by rickbbb; 02-14-2006 at 12:34 PM.

02-14-2006, 12:28 PM	#41
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	Rick, I don't know if you are a Costco or Sams Club member, but the same TV (minus the built in tuner) has been going for 1699 and 1599 respectivly. No delivery options unfortunatly. But, hey, you can't beat Costco's return policy (bring it back at any time for any reason)! __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-14-2006, 12:37 PM	#42
rickbbb Phillips 47 Inch LCD HDTV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern California Age: 51 Posts: 2,108	s17vK Yes,I AM a Costco member I just wish they accepted VISA credit cards at Costco stores.I usually don't have enough cash in my checking account and I don't have or want an American express card. __________________ \

02-14-2006, 01:16 PM	#44
rickbbb Phillips 47 Inch LCD HDTV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern California Age: 51 Posts: 2,108	s17vK Thankyou ! I will definitely think about doing that.Sears is a good store and accepts Visa credit cards ! __________________ \

02-14-2006, 08:46 AM	#31
ChadT74 How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 22	First off to respond to that one negative review posted, that guy is a tool, it CLEARLY says in the manual not to do what he did (side panel burn in); read the manual. Wow I must say that a couple of you on this thread are really coming off as an under endowed male who is trying to make up for certain shortcomings by throwing around the huge number of pixels your TV can show... I read this forum since I was interested in buying a flat panel TV due to the fact that I live in a condo and I wanted something I could hang on a wall. I appreciate the fact that many of you here are early adapters who strive to get the most out of your TVs and I have learned a ton, but the fact is that you are basically telling everyone to buy the best without considering their own situations. Saying garbage like a 'good choice for fiscally Challenged’ is just down right insulting. I am in no way 'fiscally challenged' the fact that I could not see the $1K difference after looking at two TVs for 3 months on top of my limited usage of TVs makes me 'fiscally Challenged’? Thank food stamps and minimum wage so I could afford the marble bathrooms , granite countertops (and floor) in my kitchen which catch the shine of all stainless steel appliances quite nice. Oh and ghetto government assisted EDTV I bought (cash) because it is a good choice for the fiscally challenged. I got to where I am because I am able to think for myself and not piss money away and yes I am getting HD signals on my EDTV and if it never gets any better I will be very happy with my TV. "Diz iz a goud pictzure" is exactly what the cable installer said when he saw the first HD broadcast was received by my TV. Ok so maybe I'll never rub one out to a Discovery HD documentary on groundhogs because the picture is AMAZING but everyone who has seen my TV along with (most importantly) myself enjoy the images. Yes for some of you you’d pay the extra for the higher quality picture, but just because someone has a different opinion or situation does not mean they are wrong. I run with the big dogs every day, I don't need to pay a certain amount for a TV to validate me.

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