Are Panasonic EDTV'S Good And Is EDTV HD?

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 11:40 AM

Nice try to dig yourself out Ward..... I wrote the Netherlands is also known as Holland. Didn't say that was right or wrong.

"Thus, even though it is officially incorrect, the word Holland is often used by both Dutch (speaking) and foreign people to denote the entire Netherlands, possibly because "The Netherlands" ("Nederland" in Dutch) is more cumbersome. People from the other provinces of the Netherlands (such as Friesland, Groningen, North Brabant, Zeeland, etc.) are often offended when referred to as "Hollanders"."

Yes, we all must have misunderstood your juxtaposition.... The classic idiot is one that never admits he's wrong. Take that for what it's worth Wardster. LMAO.

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Begium to be exact.

So how where we supposed to interpret this?

I've changed my sig.... This is just too funny!

Ward Cleaver · 02-20-2006, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Posted By sl7vk - "I wrote the Netherlands is also known as Holland. Didn't say that was right or wrong."

Ahh, I see.
Well, perhaps next time you post something, you should first determine whether what you are posting is right or wrong.

Regards,
-Ward

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 11:53 AM

You didn't answer the question Wardy!!!!

Ward Cleaver · 02-20-2006, 11:54 AM

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Posted By sl7vk - "It's funny how condescending you are with your "budget model."

Nothing condescending about it.

In this day and age of HDTV, a bare bones set with a resolution of 852 x 480 is indeed a lower tiered budget model.

Regards,
-Ward

TopperHarley · 02-20-2006, 12:05 PM

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver. I do have to note that it is interesting how many of you bash someones HD knowledge based on their choice of audio components. This thread is riddled with posts by people that think that they know everything and that there are only two categories of products to choose from, good and bad. To say that one technology is better than an other in all ways or that number of pixels rules in terms of picture quality is just plain wrong. The essence of this diluted thread is that you have a handful of people that can't for some reason deal with the fact that there are people out there that are in fact happy and even proud of their ED purchase. I find it hard to belive that anyone can say that Panasonic makes a subpar product. On that note, there are an overwelming number of people that agree that the Panny ED in many instances outshines its semi-HD counterpart. And to say that it is a waste of money to pay for HD content on an ED display is completely rediculous considering the alternative is to view SD content. Trust me, down converted HD content looks light years better than SD content on an EDTV. I do base my observations on Panny or Samsung ED's. Again, I had the ED and returned it for the PX (Almost HD) so I am speaking from experience. ED sets do not deserve to be laughed at, as so many of you seem to enjoy doing. I am not an EDTV owner defending my purchase. I am a HD(almost) owner that regrets returning the ED.

techjunky · 02-20-2006, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl7vk

Nice try to dig yourself out Ward..... I wrote the Netherlands is also known as Holland. Didn't say that was right or wrong.

"Thus, even though it is officially incorrect, the word Holland is often used by both Dutch (speaking) and foreign people to denote the entire Netherlands, possibly because "The Netherlands" ("Nederland" in Dutch) is more cumbersome. People from the other provinces of the Netherlands (such as Friesland, Groningen, North Brabant, Zeeland, etc.) are often offended when referred to as "Hollanders"."

Yes, we all must have misunderstood your juxtaposition.... The classic idiot is one that never admits he's wrong. Take that for what it's worth Wardster. LMAO.

At the time I started writing this message, user(sl7vk) was at an astronomical number of 455 posts since he joined the HD forum in Jan. 2006. That is a pretty astounding number of posts from a person theat doesn't even own an HD television. I see numerous challanges towards "Ward" as to who is more all knowing. As I look back through the hundreds of posts (sl7vk) has made, I see very little information that is actually helpful to the consumers or present owners of hi-fi equipment. Is their anything we can do to convince you that the world of electronics consists of more than "panasonic"? I admit that I (myself) have been sucked into the web of defending my point of view several times since becoming a member of this forum, but for a person to be a part of this forum just so that they can argue their point of view is hardly informative. If you wish to have an intellectual debate with Ward, save it for PM's. You might be able to actually contribute to this forum if you leave your petty arguments behind.

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 12:17 PM

Truely look at all my posts and you wouldn't be saying that Tech..... Now what you have added, except for that dancing Banana has been very minimal.

TopperHarley · 02-20-2006, 12:17 PM

As a side note. There is no argument that ED produces a brighter picture than most HD counterparts. Any expert will agree to that. I think this whole debate comes down to viewing distance. If I had to sit less than 9' from an ED set, I personally would not find the visibly larger pixel size acceptable. The screen door effect is visible at these distances. However, at 9-10' plus, the ED owners, in my opinion should be feeling pretty happy with their purchase. To me, the whole thing is that simple. JMO

I just realized that I spent wayyyy too much time writing my previous posts considering I just sumed up everything I wanted to say in this one little post. It is to the point and does not slam anyone elses idea or purchase. And I feel it is quite factual.

Ward Cleaver · 02-20-2006, 12:30 PM

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Posted By Topper Harley - "The screen door effect is visible..."

Yes, but then again, anyone who would walk out of an electronics store with a newly purchased 852 x 438 resolution tv (with everything else that is available nowadays), apparently isn't too concerned about screen door effect.

Regards,
-Ward

techjunky · 02-20-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

Truely look at all my posts and you wouldn't be saying that Tech..... Now what you have added, except for that dancing Banana has been very minimal.

Just another example of your type of input. I have seen you put down my dancing bananna and Wards talking head. Is that the type of information anyone cares about? I admitted to being sucked into the defending my point of view many times, but we all know how you feel about EDTV's, so you can stop the broken record anytime. If you don't like what HDTV owners say about EDTV, then maybe, just maybe, you are in the wrong forum.

TopperHarley · 02-20-2006, 12:55 PM

The screen door effect is not visible after 9-10'. I have to think that 9-10' is a pretty average viewing distance for most people. What about that do you not understand? I tried to get away from the immature posts but your condescending attitude makes it really difficult. I have 20/10 vision, and cannot see sd from 10' on an ED set. If you can, you are surely in the very small minority. It is a scientific fact that the SD will disappear at some point. At what distance do you fail to see the sd effect Ward? 20' ? 30'? I am curious as to the extent of your superhuman vision. Do you get it yet? Or are you content to continue with your uninformative quips aimed at people with less money than you?

I will even go so far as to agree with you that the ED sets are lower tier budget minded sets. I think this is obvious and goes without saying and has nothing to do with what is at the heart of the discussion. See how easy it is to agree with somone without selling out on what your point is? If you have one other than what I just agreed with.

Ward Cleaver · 02-20-2006, 03:13 PM

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Posted By Topper Harley - "I...agree with you that the ED sets are lower tier budget...sets."

Thank you for your honesty.

My point is that someone with a set which has a resolution of 852 x 438 has no business coming out on a High Definition forum and boasting (as sl7vk did) that his set is clearer and has a better picture than 2/3rd's of all HDTV's on the market today.

Also, said individual should not whine and complain when he gets his chops busted and put in his place for making such an asinine boast.

Regards,
-Ward

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

Thank you for your honesty.

My point is that someone with a set which has a resolution of 852 x 438 has no business coming out on a High Definition forum and boasting (as sl7vk did) that his set is clearer and has a better picture than 2/3rd's of all HDTV's on the market today.

Also, said individual should not whine and complain when he gets his chops busted and put in his place for making such an asinine boast.

Regards,
-Ward

Please reference the post where I said what you claim. Thanks

I said that a high quality ED tv is a better television then a poor HD, Visio, Maxent, Sylvania, etc....

Have a Belgium chocolote and settle down.....

Ward Cleaver · 02-20-2006, 04:06 PM

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Posted By sl7vk - "Please reference the post where I said what you claim."

The ABC's of LCD TVs

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Posted By sl7vk - "It prompted me to buy the ED Panasonic which rated better then all second or third tier HD sets."

And another...
The ABC's of LCD TVs

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Posted By sl7vk - "Tiers of manufactures (sic) you moron.

1st Tier Pioneer, Pansonic, Toshiba (Japanese Manufacturers)

2nd Tier - The Korean Manufactures, Samsung, LG, etc...

3rd Tier- The Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures.... Vizio, Maxent, etc...

As you can see, sl7vk speaks quite freely about "tiers," and even addresses as a "moron" someone who questions what he means by these "tiers."

However, when it is pointed out to sl7vk that his tv actually has a resolution of only 852 x 480, and thus might put it into a lower "tier" budget category, he becomes upset and sarcastically refers to the person pointing this out as a "superior being" who is condescendingly "bashing" his ED set.
The ABC's of LCD TVs

So, we can see that it's okay for sl7vk to use the term "tiers" when comparing his tv to others...but, if you assign his 852 x 480 set a "tier," then you are being "condescending."
So, he can dish out the "tier" terminology but can't take it.

Now sl7vk, why don't you just get all of this off your mind.
Get a nice, cold beer out of your fridge, sit down on your sofa and watch some SD programming on your 852 x 480 set.
Leave the HD discussions to those of us who actually own HD sets and actually view HD programming.

Regards,
-Ward

02-20-2006, 11:40 AM	#226
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	Nice try to dig yourself out Ward..... I wrote the Netherlands is also known as Holland. Didn't say that was right or wrong. "Thus, even though it is officially incorrect, the word Holland is often used by both Dutch (speaking) and foreign people to denote the entire Netherlands, possibly because "The Netherlands" ("Nederland" in Dutch) is more cumbersome. People from the other provinces of the Netherlands (such as Friesland, Groningen, North Brabant, Zeeland, etc.) are often offended when referred to as "Hollanders"." Yes, we all must have misunderstood your juxtaposition.... The classic idiot is one that never admits he's wrong. Take that for what it's worth Wardster. LMAO. __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-20-2006, 11:53 AM	#229
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	You didn't answer the question Wardy!!!! __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-20-2006, 12:05 PM	#231
TopperHarley This baby only has 1 arm! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 265	Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver. I do have to note that it is interesting how many of you bash someones HD knowledge based on their choice of audio components. This thread is riddled with posts by people that think that they know everything and that there are only two categories of products to choose from, good and bad. To say that one technology is better than an other in all ways or that number of pixels rules in terms of picture quality is just plain wrong. The essence of this diluted thread is that you have a handful of people that can't for some reason deal with the fact that there are people out there that are in fact happy and even proud of their ED purchase. I find it hard to belive that anyone can say that Panasonic makes a subpar product. On that note, there are an overwelming number of people that agree that the Panny ED in many instances outshines its semi-HD counterpart. And to say that it is a waste of money to pay for HD content on an ED display is completely rediculous considering the alternative is to view SD content. Trust me, down converted HD content looks light years better than SD content on an EDTV. I do base my observations on Panny or Samsung ED's. Again, I had the ED and returned it for the PX (Almost HD) so I am speaking from experience. ED sets do not deserve to be laughed at, as so many of you seem to enjoy doing. I am not an EDTV owner defending my purchase. I am a HD(almost) owner that regrets returning the ED. Last edited by TopperHarley; 02-20-2006 at 12:08 PM.

02-20-2006, 12:17 PM	#233
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	Truely look at all my posts and you wouldn't be saying that Tech..... Now what you have added, except for that dancing Banana has been very minimal. __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-20-2006, 12:17 PM	#234
TopperHarley This baby only has 1 arm! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 265	As a side note. There is no argument that ED produces a brighter picture than most HD counterparts. Any expert will agree to that. I think this whole debate comes down to viewing distance. If I had to sit less than 9' from an ED set, I personally would not find the visibly larger pixel size acceptable. The screen door effect is visible at these distances. However, at 9-10' plus, the ED owners, in my opinion should be feeling pretty happy with their purchase. To me, the whole thing is that simple. JMO I just realized that I spent wayyyy too much time writing my previous posts considering I just sumed up everything I wanted to say in this one little post. It is to the point and does not slam anyone elses idea or purchase. And I feel it is quite factual. Last edited by TopperHarley; 02-20-2006 at 12:23 PM.

02-20-2006, 12:55 PM	#237
TopperHarley This baby only has 1 arm! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 265	The screen door effect is not visible after 9-10'. I have to think that 9-10' is a pretty average viewing distance for most people. What about that do you not understand? I tried to get away from the immature posts but your condescending attitude makes it really difficult. I have 20/10 vision, and cannot see sd from 10' on an ED set. If you can, you are surely in the very small minority. It is a scientific fact that the SD will disappear at some point. At what distance do you fail to see the sd effect Ward? 20' ? 30'? I am curious as to the extent of your superhuman vision. Do you get it yet? Or are you content to continue with your uninformative quips aimed at people with less money than you? I will even go so far as to agree with you that the ED sets are lower tier budget minded sets. I think this is obvious and goes without saying and has nothing to do with what is at the heart of the discussion. See how easy it is to agree with somone without selling out on what your point is? If you have one other than what I just agreed with. Last edited by TopperHarley; 02-20-2006 at 12:58 PM.

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