The ABC's of LCD TVs

sl7vk · 02-10-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

Sl7vk, don't fool yourself with your self described "tiers of quality" based on country of origin.

Panasonic (which you rate in the "first tier") also operates a flat panel manufacturing facility in China and an assembly facility in Mexico (ie: cheap labor).

I have seen various "arguments" on this forum from persons with EDTV plasma tv's attempting to pontificate on why they purchased an EDTV when we are now in the era of HDTV.

All of the "arguments" I've seen are basically just attempts and "spin" to justify the purchase of a non-HDTV.

Bottom line...the Panasonic TH-42PM50U plasma monitor has a resolution of 852x480, which is well under HDTV resolution.
So, when you go into your living room this evening with your beverage of choice, sit down in your favorite chair, put your feet up on the coffee table and grab your remote control...bear in mind that the picture you will be watching is well below the resolution of HDTV.
That's the bottom line, regardless of any "arguments," justifications," or "spin."

Regards,
-Ward

Please provide a link with your information regarding Panasonic.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6025009.html

It's so fashionable and easy to bash ED isn't Ward, well done, you really are a superior being. With that said, CR rated my lowly ED set considerably higher then any Philips LCD. Take that for what it's worth.

ED is a valid choice for anyone who watchs SD content and DVD's. DVD's are matched perfectly to the Panny's resolution and look spectacular. But if you have to make yourself feel bigger, by your continued bashing of ED, then feel free Ward.

Just try to ignore the ghosting, vibrating cheap speakers, and ugly bezel, on your "HD" Philips set.

Regards,

Thomas

sl7vk · 02-10-2006, 05:30 PM

And one more thing... Perhaps this Tier system is a bit complicated for some of you, so rather then breaking it down by country, here it is by primary manufacturers (companies that actually make their own panels)

Tier 1- Panasonic, Pioneer, Hitachi/Fujitsu
Tier 2- LG, Samsung
Tier 3- Vizio, Maxent, Sylvania, etc... Get their shit wherever they can. A hodgepodge of electronics and glass slapped together at the cheapest cost possible.

Again, keep in mind that I am only talking about Plasma. I don't know if any of this applies to LCD.

sl7vk · 02-10-2006, 06:06 PM

Here's CNet's take on my "justification"

http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH...2.html?tag=nav

and others....

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...0u-review.html

Ward, I imagine you've never even seen this TV in action......

Regards,

Thomas

Ward Cleaver · 02-10-2006, 07:06 PM

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Posted By sl7vk - "Just try to ignore the ghosting, vibrating cheap speakers...on your "HD" Philips set."

Kind of reminds me here of Aesop's story about the fox and the grapes.
A fox declared that he didn’t care that he could not reach an attractive bunch of grapes because he imagined they were "sour" anyway.

Sorry to shatter your illusions sl7vk, but with a response time of 8ms, I have no "ghosting" whatsoever...nor do my speakers "rattle."

However, the resolution on the Panasonic plasma is 852x480. No "spin" or "sour grapes" comments can alter that.

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Posted By sl7vk - "...if you have to make yourself feel bigger, by your continued bashing of ED..."

It is you who posted comments regarding your self described supposed "tier of quality" of HDTV LCD's and how your EDTV plasma beats most of them.

After reading such nonsense and fiction, I felt compelled to answer.

Also, as I said, Panasonic operates an assembly facility in Mexico (ie: cheap labor).
http://www-irps.ucsd.edu/about/innew...imes082604.php

Now, go in your living room, put your feet up, and watch some non-HDTV on your 852x480 resolution plasma assembled in Mexico.

Regards,
-Ward

sl7vk · 02-10-2006, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

Kind of reminds me here of Aesop's story about the fox and the grapes.
A fox declared that he didn’t care that he could not reach an attractive bunch of grapes because he imagined they were "sour" anyway.

Sorry to shatter your illusions sl7vk, but with a response time of 8ms, I have no "ghosting" whatsoever...nor do my speakers "rattle."

However, the resolution on the Panasonic plasma is 852x480. No "spin" or "sour grapes" comments can alter that.

It is you who posted comments regarding your self described supposed "tier of quality" of HDTV LCD's and how your EDTV plasma beats most of them.

After reading such nonsense and fiction, I felt compelled to answer.

Also, as I said, Panasonic operates an assembly facility in Mexico (ie: cheap labor).
http://www-irps.ucsd.edu/about/innew...imes082604.php

Now, go in your living room, put your feet up, and watch some non-HDTV on your 852x480 resolution plasma assembled in Mexico.

Regards,
-Ward

Oh dear Ward. I think I nailed it when I described you as the most condescending person on these boards. Bravo, you're holding true to form!

What was you're TV's model number again? I would love to read some reviews and compare it to my measly ED.... Hehehe....

But you are the all knowing Ward. No need sharing what CR or any body else has found testing hundreds of these products. Good for you! Why bow to logic right? Why listen to what others might think? Perhaps the biggest question, is why do you bother posting on these boards? If it is only to lecture, and not learn a thing, then you truely are not only wasting our time, but your own.

Regards,

Thomas

Ward Cleaver · 02-11-2006, 05:45 AM

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Posted By sl7vk - "ED is a valid choice for anyone who watchs SD content."

Very true.
But, this is an HD forum.

Perhaps you might be more suited to a forum devoted to SD.

Regards,
-Ward

digitalgliff · 02-20-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

Balistic I don't think so. Just LCD propaganda. Why is Plasma crushing LCD in comparable markets (40 plus inchs)?

I have trouble taking any article seriously that states LCD has the price benefit over Plasma. Totally false.

The average joe 6 pack thinks that the more something costs the better it is. = plasma

mykal82 · 02-20-2006, 03:11 PM

I know Sharp has probably the Highest tech facility in the world with billions invested. Sharp's also is building 3 more such facilities. Can you say "Kameyama". They seem to think LCD technology is worth investing in big time. Has anyone actually seen the new panels that are out now on the LC-65D90U or the LC-45GD7U (which I just purchased 2 weeks ago for 3299.00 from one call). I compared these panels side by side with the Pioneer elite plasma 50 and I gotta take my hat off to Sharp. Crisper color, vivid. It just looked alot nicer to me. So I bought the AQUOS. I was trying to convince myself to go Plasma but the new sharp panels were overwhelming. Even my wife thought the Sharp was better. Its hanging on my wall (which wont happen with a SXRD). Can anyone tell me why they dont make many plasma computer monitors or why Sharp isnt into the whole plasma thing. I'm sold on LCD now after seeing the Sharp panels and reading about the state of the art Kameyama facilities.

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 03:29 PM

Sharp makes a nice product and that 45 LCD is great.

Most of the big Japanese manufacturers have either gone with LCD or Plasma as to not step on each others feet too much. Few do both, with Panasonic being one of those.

techjunky · 02-20-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mykal82

I know Sharp has probably the Highest tech facility in the world with billions invested. Sharp's also is building 3 more such facilities. Can you say "Kameyama". They seem to think LCD technology is worth investing in big time. Has anyone actually seen the new panels that are out now on the LC-65D90U or the LC-45GD7U (which I just purchased 2 weeks ago for 3299.00 from one call). I compared these panels side by side with the Pioneer elite plasma 50 and I gotta take my hat off to Sharp. Crisper color, vivid. It just looked alot nicer to me. So I bought the AQUOS. I was trying to convince myself to go Plasma but the new sharp panels were overwhelming. Even my wife thought the Sharp was better. Its hanging on my wall (which wont happen with a SXRD). Can anyone tell me why they dont make many plasma computer monitors or why Sharp isnt into the whole plasma thing. I'm sold on LCD now after seeing the Sharp panels and reading about the state of the art Kameyama facilities.

No matter what you tell this guy(sl7vk), the world still revolves around panasonic. There is obviously very little to do in Utah but sit on the computer and praise panasonic.This statement actually made me feel sorry for you (sl7vk).

Most of the big Japanese manufacturers have either gone with LCD or Plasma as to not step on each others feet too much. Few do both, with Panasonic being one of those.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Panasonic

sl7vk · 02-20-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by techjunky

No matter what you tell this guy(sl7vk), the world still revolves around panasonic. There is obviously very little to do in Utah but sit on the computer and praise panasonic.This statement actually made me feel sorry for you (sl7vk).

Most of the big Japanese manufacturers have either gone with LCD or Plasma as to not step on each others feet too much. Few do both, with Panasonic being one of those.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Panasonic

What have you ever added to anything except for bashing people? Shut up until you have something decent to input.

Cheers.

techjunky · 02-20-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

What have you ever added to anything except for bashing people? Shut up until you have something decent to input.

Cheers.

You continuosly prove my point with every post you make. Maybe by trying to make you realize how foolish some of your statements are, I can get you to think before you type. I would like to be able to come to this forum and obtain information that pertains to HDTV and all that that involves. You are so busy bouncing from post to post defending your (online dignity) and having to get the last word in, that your input in this forum is relativly useless to anyone.

Most of the big Japanese manufacturers have either gone with LCD or Plasma as to not step on each others feet too much. Few do both, with Panasonic being one of those.User(sl7vk)

lcdsucks · 02-20-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by techjunky

You continuosly prove my point with every post you make. Maybe by trying to make you realize how foolish some of your statements are, I can get you to think before you type. I would like to be able to come to this forum and obtain information that pertains to HDTV and all that that involves. You are so busy bouncing from post to post defending your (online dignity) and having to get the last word in, that your input in this forum is relativly useless to anyone.

Most of the big Japanese manufacturers have either gone with LCD or Plasma as to not step on each others feet too much. Few do both, with Panasonic being one of those.User(sl7vk)

You truely are the thickest bastard I've ever encountered. He was complementing the Sharp unit you dumbass.

If you want a target, then here goes. The best LCD's still make TV look like a crap Pixar movie. Oh and those blurry viewing angles are great to show off to the friends.

techjunky · 02-20-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lcdsucks

You truely are the thickest bastard I've ever encountered. He was complementing the Sharp unit you dumbass.

If you want a target, then here goes. The best LCD's still make TV look like a crap Pixar movie. Oh and those blurry viewing angles are great to show off to the friends.

"The thickest bastard I've ever encountered" As a bodybuilder, I take that as a compliment.

Maybe you could think of something really nasty to call me?

CaptinCrunch · 02-21-2006, 10:31 AM

My Sharp 37D6U was manufacturered in Japan, but assembled in Mexico.

It says it right on the back of the set, right under the seriel number.

02-10-2006, 05:30 PM	#47
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	And one more thing... Perhaps this Tier system is a bit complicated for some of you, so rather then breaking it down by country, here it is by primary manufacturers (companies that actually make their own panels) Tier 1- Panasonic, Pioneer, Hitachi/Fujitsu Tier 2- LG, Samsung Tier 3- Vizio, Maxent, Sylvania, etc... Get their shit wherever they can. A hodgepodge of electronics and glass slapped together at the cheapest cost possible. Again, keep in mind that I am only talking about Plasma. I don't know if any of this applies to LCD. __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-10-2006, 06:06 PM	#48
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	Here's CNet's take on my "justification" http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH...2.html?tag=nav and others.... http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...0u-review.html Ward, I imagine you've never even seen this TV in action...... Regards, Thomas __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-20-2006, 03:29 PM	#54
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	Sharp makes a nice product and that 45 LCD is great. Most of the big Japanese manufacturers have either gone with LCD or Plasma as to not step on each others feet too much. Few do both, with Panasonic being one of those. __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver

02-20-2006, 03:11 PM	#53
mykal82 #1 OZZY fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern Ca. Mountains Age: 45 Posts: 45	I know Sharp has probably the Highest tech facility in the world with billions invested. Sharp's also is building 3 more such facilities. Can you say "Kameyama". They seem to think LCD technology is worth investing in big time. Has anyone actually seen the new panels that are out now on the LC-65D90U or the LC-45GD7U (which I just purchased 2 weeks ago for 3299.00 from one call). I compared these panels side by side with the Pioneer elite plasma 50 and I gotta take my hat off to Sharp. Crisper color, vivid. It just looked alot nicer to me. So I bought the AQUOS. I was trying to convince myself to go Plasma but the new sharp panels were overwhelming. Even my wife thought the Sharp was better. Its hanging on my wall (which wont happen with a SXRD). Can anyone tell me why they dont make many plasma computer monitors or why Sharp isnt into the whole plasma thing. I'm sold on LCD now after seeing the Sharp panels and reading about the state of the art Kameyama facilities.

02-21-2006, 10:31 AM	#60
CaptinCrunch Sharp LC-37D6U Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Age: 41 Posts: 93	My Sharp 37D6U was manufacturered in Japan, but assembled in Mexico. It says it right on the back of the set, right under the seriel number.