The ABC's of LCD TVs

zedd · 02-09-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hdtvpros.com

I can only imagine this ZEDD guy

. You must believe that a civic with stickers and exhaust is just as good or better then driving a Viper, Vette or any of the big dogs because it creates a loud exhaust sound. Your system speaks for itself play xbox.

I have a PDF file that a third party research group did on LCD, Plasma and Rptv's. And of course plasmas came out ahead. Yes I do have a small lcd in my kitchen and yes I have sold a bunch of them to people just like you. Your the person who heard from a friend who heard from another friend who's uncle heard some guy say that LCD's and westinghouse is the best.

Keep driving your civic and remember your civic is just as good as my vette.

How superior you must feel in your childish little mind sir.

"I would maybe get that set-up for my sons room to play xbox."

At least im not afraid to show my system, my avitar IS my actual system. Actually im quite proud of it. If you can afford better then koodos to you sir, i never fault a person fo what they make.

""Bose" , "westinghouse" I would maybe get that set-up for my sons room to..."

You forgot to include Yamaha, or is that ok BY YOU? How arogent and child like you really must be!

"Your the person who heard from a friend who heard from another friend who's uncle heard some guy say that LCD's and westinghouse is the best."

No, im the person who goes out and auditions equipment for hiself, i NEVER let sales people dictate what i buy. I spend MY MONEY!

"I have sold a bunch of them..."

Your a salesmen, that speaks for itself..ew

"Viper, Vette or any of the big dogs"

So your all about status symbols?

Oh yeah..
""I have sold a bunch of them..."

Your a sales person...ew

And if you have never been to a Bose store and auditioned a Lifestyle 38 system, you have no idea what good tunes and home theater is..but this sint an audiophile board!

zedd · 02-09-2006, 03:00 PM

If you're willing to compromise on picture quality to get a lower-priced plasma TV, consider an enhanced-definition (ED) set. These don't have high-enough native resolution for true HD but can display HD signals at lower quality. The best do well, but for top quality an HD set is the better bet. The price advantage of ED sets is also shrinking as plasma TV prices continue to dip.

Less-familiar brands of plasma TVs being sold at chains such as Best Buy, Circuit City, Costco, and Wal-Mart cost much less than major brands. While their prices are tempting, the sets we've tested have been middling to mediocre--requiring you to trade quality for price.

Source:
Consumer Reports

sl7vk · 02-09-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by zedd

If you're willing to compromise on picture quality to get a lower-priced plasma TV, consider an enhanced-definition (ED) set. These don't have high-enough native resolution for true HD but can display HD signals at lower quality. The best do well, but for top quality an HD set is the better bet. The price advantage of ED sets is also shrinking as plasma TV prices continue to dip.

Less-familiar brands of plasma TVs being sold at chains such as Best Buy, Circuit City, Costco, and Wal-Mart cost much less than major brands. While their prices are tempting, the sets we've tested have been middling to mediocre--requiring you to trade quality for price.

Source:
Consumer Reports

Very interesting report. It prompted me to buy the ED Panasonic which rated better then all second or third tier HD sets. You don't have to spend a ton to get a ton.

techjunky · 02-09-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

Very interesting report. It prompted me to buy the ED Panasonic which rated better then all second or third tier HD sets. You don't have to spend a ton to get a ton.

The only ton of anything we are getting here is a ton of nonsense from you. Please do explain this tier of HD sets you speak of. Not that I believe any of it will be factual, but it should be amuzing none the less. You are in a real uphill battle here trying to convince anyone that your "ED"plasma outperforms any HD set in the same price range.

sl7vk · 02-09-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by techjunky

The only ton of anything we are getting here is a ton of nonsense from you. Please do explain this tier of HD sets you speak of. Not that I believe any of it will be factual, but it should be amuzing none the less. You are in a real uphill battle here trying to convince anyone that your "ED"plasma outperforms any HD set in the same price range.

Tiers of manufactures you moron.

1st Tier Pioneer, Pansonic, Toshiba (Japanese Manufacturers)

2nd Tier - The Korean Manufactures, Samsung, LG, etc...

3rd Tier- The Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures.... Vizio, Maxent, etc...

techjunky · 02-09-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

Tiers of manufactures you moron.

1st Tier Pioneer, Pansonic, Toshiba (Japanese Manufacturers)

2nd Tier - The Korean Manufactures, Samsung, LG, etc...

3rd Tier- The Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures.... Vizio, Maxent, etc...

You have an imaginary tier of superiority based on where the televisions are manufactured! Wow you are really lost kid. I work for the world leader in commercial air conditioners (Trane) a division of American Standard. I hate to admit it, but the quality of our product is crap. In the 12 years I have worked there, the quality is getting worse and worse, but yet we are still tops in the industry. So for you to say that there is a "quality"tier based on where the television is made, is purely ridiculous! Toyota has plants in the US now. So does that mean that the quality of Toyota will lessen due to that fact? Quality can be different from plant to plant. You can not label an entire countries "Quality" standard based on a few manufactures. My company recently outsourced hundreds of jobs to China to build the same product we build here. Has it affected our status as tops in the industry? Hell no, record profits. Cheaper wages, same quality. Does that make my company a third tier manufacturer because the product is now made in China? No, It does'nt mean squat.

sl7vk · 02-09-2006, 05:08 PM

In terms of Plasma televisions, the Japanese manufacturers are tops, the Koreans tend to be a step behind, and the Chinese tend to be 2 steps behind. Is that changing? Probably. Will that change? Yes. But as things stand, there is a huge difference between a Panasonic Plasma and a Sylvania.

Oh, and you can add Hitachi/Fujitsu to the first tier manufacturers.

techjunky · 02-09-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

In terms of Plasma televisions, the Japanese manufacturers are tops, the Koreans tend to be a step behind, and the Chinese tend to be 2 steps behind. Is that changing? Probably. Will that change? Yes. But as things stand, there is a huge difference between a Panasonic Plasma and a Sylvania.

So does quality have anything to do with where the product is manufactured. No! It just means that the company that manufactures a better product has an advantage technologically. Look at the advantage we have had over Korea for many years. We have had nuclear technology and the means to develop it. They hav'nt. Now things have changed and they have the capabilities. Did it have anything to do with their location? Does that make their nukes any less effective? No. If you have the technology, you should be able to create a better product. It has nothing to do with where the product is actually produced.

sl7vk · 02-09-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by techjunky

So does quality have anything to do with where the product is manufactured. No! It just means that the company that manufactures a better product has an advantage technologically. Look at the advantage we have had over Korea for many years. We have had nuclear technology and the means to develop it. They hav'nt. Now things have changed and they have the capabilities. Did it have anything to do with their location? Does that make their nukes any less effective? No. If you have the technology, you should be able to create a better product. It has nothing to do with where the product is actually produced.

Your lack of knowledge is betraying you. You're totally confused between the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) and South Korea. South Korea is the one making the TV's, North Korea is attempting to produce Nuclear weapons. I would truely hate to see what kind of TV's the North Koreans are producing at the moment.

These are two different countries, apples and oranges my friend.

hdtvpros.com · 02-09-2006, 05:41 PM

The only truth is that it sucks that none of these tv's are made in the USA.

But I hate to say this but that Sl7zxaasdfa guy is right, at least for now.

Japans manufacturing and high standards are alot better then everybody else at least for now.

techjunky · 02-09-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sl7vk

Your lack of knowledge is betraying you. You're totally confused between the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) and South Korea. South Korea is the one making the TV's, North Korea is attempting to produce Nuclear weapons. I would truely hate to see what kind of TV's the North Koreans are producing at the moment.

These are two different countries, apples and oranges my friend.

What are you, some kind of MIT reject that believes that he has all the knowledge that there is to know about todays modern electronics? Do you know for a fact where each and every manufacturer actually produces their products. If you do, you are not just smart, you must be an international spy.

Do you think that all companies are honest and forthright in disclosing the location of all of their manufacturing facilities? How the hell do you know North Korea does'nt make any TV's there? When was the last time you toured North Korea?

hdtvpros.com · 02-10-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zedd

How superior you must feel in your childish little mind sir.

"I would maybe get that set-up for my sons room to play xbox."

At least im not afraid to show my system, my avitar IS my actual system. Actually im quite proud of it. If you can afford better then koodos to you sir, i never fault a person fo what they make.

""Bose" , "westinghouse" I would maybe get that set-up for my sons room to..."

You forgot to include Yamaha, or is that ok BY YOU? How arogent and child like you really must be!

"Your the person who heard from a friend who heard from another friend who's uncle heard some guy say that LCD's and westinghouse is the best."

No, im the person who goes out and auditions equipment for hiself, i NEVER let sales people dictate what i buy. I spend MY MONEY!

"I have sold a bunch of them..."

Your a salesmen, that speaks for itself..ew

"Viper, Vette or any of the big dogs"

So your all about status symbols?

Oh yeah..
""I have sold a bunch of them..."

Your a sales person...ew

And if you have never been to a Bose store and auditioned a Lifestyle 38 system, you have no idea what good tunes and home theater is..but this sint an audiophile board!

Let's realistic here, your system is a real inexpensive system, period. Next, your saying if some buys name brand components they only buy as a status symbol, please.

Regarding Bosa Lifestyle 38 system, I believe we sold quiet a few(100's) and also the 48. If your in So cali email me or message and come down to our show room. The only real reason we carry is because theirs a market for Bose. Not because it the best sounding. That goes to show your knowledge in A/V.

Yes I might say some stuff sarcastic but it's to prove a point. You sit here trying to justify your purchase, fine. But realize it is what it is, entry level. No need to be ashamed I started out the same but I realized it was a entry level system.

Also my system consist of.......

Yamaha rx-z9
SpeakerCraft MT8 Fours inwalls (with custom built inclosures that I made)
SpeakerCraft Inwall subs (4) 250 watts each (one was not enough)
Westinghouse LCD(just playing) No projector at this time sold my last to a friend(Sony)

I live at the store so have no time to enjoy anymore.

By the way I am selling my Yamaha z9 for only $1500, first come first serve pick up only.

bruegf · 02-10-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hdtvpros.com

The only real reason we carry is because theirs a market for Bose. Not because it the best sounding.

I used to work for an audio company (Electro-Voice) in a previous life and the speaker engineers I worked with had a saying about BOSE:

No Highs, No Lows, Must be BOSE!

syhtomb · 02-10-2006, 03:38 PM

LCD or Plasma??? Who cares? All that matters is what is more pleasing to the viewer.

All I know is, that when at a home theater store, best buy, or circuit city, the low priced (<3,000.00) plasmas were blown away by the LCD's in picture quality.

Not taking a side here, just calling it how I see it.

Ward Cleaver · 02-10-2006, 05:00 PM

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Posted By sl7vk - "1st Tier - Pioneer, Pansonic, Toshiba (Japanese Manufacturers)...2nd Tier - The Korean Manufactures, Samsung, LG...3rd Tier- The Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures..."

Sl7vk, don't fool yourself with your self described "tiers of quality" based on country of origin.

Panasonic (which you rate in the "first tier") also operates a flat panel manufacturing facility in China and an assembly facility in Mexico (ie: cheap labor).

I have seen various "arguments" on this forum from persons with EDTV plasma tv's attempting to pontificate on why they purchased an EDTV when we are now in the era of HDTV.

All of the "arguments" I've seen are basically just attempts and "spin" to justify the purchase of a non-HDTV.

Bottom line...the Panasonic TH-42PM50U plasma monitor has a resolution of 852x480, which is well under HDTV resolution.
So, when you go into your living room this evening with your beverage of choice, sit down in your favorite chair, put your feet up on the coffee table and grab your remote control...bear in mind that the picture you will be watching is well below the resolution of HDTV.
No "arguments," "spin," or supposed "tiers of quality" can alter that fact.

Regards,
-Ward

02-09-2006, 05:08 PM	#37
sl7vk Panasonic Plasma Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 603	In terms of Plasma televisions, the Japanese manufacturers are tops, the Koreans tend to be a step behind, and the Chinese tend to be 2 steps behind. Is that changing? Probably. Will that change? Yes. But as things stand, there is a huge difference between a Panasonic Plasma and a Sylvania. Oh, and you can add Hitachi/Fujitsu to the first tier manufacturers. __________________ "Their LCD tv's are also assembled in the Netherlands...Belgium to be exact." -Ward Cleaver Last edited by sl7vk; 02-09-2006 at 05:18 PM.

02-09-2006, 05:41 PM	#40
hdtvpros.com High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California Posts: 327	The only truth is that it sucks that none of these tv's are made in the USA. But I hate to say this but that Sl7zxaasdfa guy is right, at least for now. Japans manufacturing and high standards are alot better then everybody else at least for now.

02-10-2006, 03:38 PM	#44
syhtomb HD Rules! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 30	LCD or Plasma??? Who cares? All that matters is what is more pleasing to the viewer. All I know is, that when at a home theater store, best buy, or circuit city, the low priced (<3,000.00) plasmas were blown away by the LCD's in picture quality. Not taking a side here, just calling it how I see it.