Exchanged My 32" LCD For A 42" LCD

Ward Cleaver · 01-28-2006, 03:37 AM

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Posted By md0110 - "You strike me as someone with whom ..."

I have neither the time nor inclination to debase the subject matter of this thread by responding in kind and engaging in a petty, personal squabble with you.

Life is too short for such nonsense.

Regards,
-Ward

Ward Cleaver · 01-28-2006, 03:40 AM

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Posted By keis - "Internal reflections (impedence variation in the cable length itself) can cause reflections and these can develope time code ghosts in the HDMI receiver circuitry."

Just one more reason to use good quality cables (which I do).

Regards,
-Ward

cheezz · 01-28-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by md0110

Ward,

The particular automobile examples you cited are not issues of differing manufacturing standards, but are issues of differing design standards.

And we can be grateful differing desing standards exist - suppose the only design standard was that of Bentley or Rolls - all cars would be much more expensive and unobtainable by many.

A better example of the effect of manufacturing standards is that of the the comparison of engine reliabilty among the same type of GM auto engines - those made in US/Canada vs. those made in Mexico. Or the Firestone tires that failed on the Ford SUVs same Firestond design standards, but outsourced to a South American(?) plant that failed to construct them properly.

To a certain extent, we can be thankful that differing manufacturing standards exist as well. I don't want to pay for the fit & finish standards of a Benz for an F-150 pickup that I would regularly take 4-wheeling.

Since the days of the US-Canadian vs. Mexican GM motors, international "standards" (ISO 9000, ISO 9001, ISO 9002 ISO etc.) have been introduced (and received with varying degres of enthusiasm), and thus there is perhaps the impression that manufacturing standards are uniform everywhere, but I agree with your larger point that, utlimately, standards vary widely.

md0110

I couldnt agree with you more. If outside manufacturers didnt meet U.S. standards they wouldnt be allowed here legally. Thats why you have black/grey markets.

sl7vk · 01-28-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

Just because you believe that, doesn't make it so.

Manufacturing standards vary and are mandated by individual companies (as stated in my earlier post).
Some companies adhere to stricter quality control standards than others. This applies not just to companies worldwide, but also to companies producing the same product within the United States.

Regards,
-Ward

You're right that they are mandated by the companies, but typically companies that choose to manufacture in China, don't really give a rats ass about standards either.... Just about the bottom line. So if their standards have to take a hit, and they can get .38 cents an hour labor, that is the tradeoff they are willing to take.
Thomson has a huge plant in Shenzeng..... That plant lost 21 employees last year, an astronomical number. If that were to happen in Ohio, the plant would be shut down. In China, it's just normal everyday life.

Ward Cleaver · 01-28-2006, 10:12 PM

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Posted By Cheezz - "I couldnt agree with you more. If outside manufacturers didnt meet U.S. standards they wouldnt be allowed here legally."

And you couldn't be more in error.
Allow me to correct you where you need correction.

First of all, IOS Standards did not originate in America, nor are they mandatory. Adherence to IOS standards is voluntary amongst companies throughout the world.

The exception to this would be safety standards that are mandated by the government (such as child restraints).

There are no standards dictating or mandating a certain level of quality in order for a product to be sold in the United States.
You are free to go out and spend your money on low quality products any day of the week...and there are plenty of low quality products available for sale in the United States.
Caveat Emptor ("let the buyer beware").

Regards,
-Ward

cheezz · 01-29-2006, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

And you couldn't be more in error.
Allow me to correct you where you need correction.

First of all, IOS Standards did not originate in America, nor are they mandatory. Adherence to IOS standards is voluntary amongst companies throughout the world.

The exception to this would be safety standards that are mandated by the government (such as child restraints).

There are no standards dictating or mandating a certain level of quality in order for a product to be sold in the United States.
You are free to go out and spend your money on low quality products any day of the week...and there are plenty of low quality products available for sale in the United States.
Caveat Emptor ("let the buyer beware").

Regards,
-Ward

I agree with the "let the buyer beware" portion..but the consumer is paying for what is set as "minimum standards" if he so opts for a cheapie. Example, automobiles from foreigns countries must meet certain specifications IAW U.S. standards. Do you normally see right hand drive automobiles in the U.S.? How about medical drugs from Canada? Why do some people go to foreign countries for treatment? I can go on and on but those are just some examples that bear to mind.

cheezz · 01-29-2006, 01:27 AM

Let's get back on track here. Monster cables are just in the eyes of the beholder. Some people see the improvement, some don't. The way I see it, it could be the display itself that is not allowing any improvement. Or it could be you or me. It's like people can't see the difference between 720p and 1080i.
So Ward, I suggest you keep on posting the progress of your Philipps.

Ward Cleaver · 01-29-2006, 11:16 AM

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Posted By Cheezz - "the consumer is paying for what is set as "minimum standards" if he so opts for a cheapie."

It appears you are looking for a little wiggle room now that you realize my statements are accurate and my points are valid.
And I will allow you that wiggle room by agreeing with you that consumers end up paying for "minimum standards" (ie: junk) if they opt to go the cheapy route.

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"Do you normally see right hand drive automobiles in the U.S.?"

No, not normally. But, they are perfectly legal to own and drive here.

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"How about medical drugs from Canada?"

Early on in this thread I said that we are talking about manufacturing, not pharmaceuticals. There are a whole different set of rules and regulations that are mandated by the FDA which apply to pharmaceuticals.
So, to compare pharmaceuticals to manufacturing is really comparing apples to oranges.

FYI - What's ironic about the Canadian pharmaceuticals is that a large percentage of them are made right here in the United States.
However, it is cheaper for Americans to purchase the very same drugs from Canada instead of the United States.
The reason Bush tightened those screws down has more to do with politics and protecting the profits of American drug companies than it has to do with protecting comsumers from sub standard pharmaceuticals. However, that's a discussion for a completely different forum.

Regards,
-Ward

cheezz · 01-29-2006, 01:44 PM

[quote=Ward Cleaver]It appears you are looking for a little wiggle room now that you realize my statements are accurate and my points are valid.
And I will allow you that wiggle room by agreeing with you that consumers end up paying for "minimum standards" (ie: junk) if they opt to go the cheapy route."

I see nowhere in my post thats says your points are invalid.

"Early on in this thread I said that we are talking about manufacturing, not pharmaceuticals. There are a whole different set of rules and regulations that are mandated by the FDA which apply to pharmaceuticals.
So, to compare pharmaceuticals to manufacturing is really comparing apples to oranges."

Standards apply not just to manufacturing but to construction, services, etc. Even to individuals. If you don't set yourself, your company, your manufacturing, your services, to an accepable standard you'll find yourself out of the loop in this highly competetive world.

Nuff said on my part. I don't want to monopolize this thread.

Ward Cleaver · 01-30-2006, 10:26 PM

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Posted By Cheezz - "How about medical drugs from Canada?"

You specifically (and mistakenly) lumped pharmaceuticals and manufacturing together as you attempted to make a point concerning standards and regulations.

I corrected you where you needed correction.

Regards,
-Ward

iserum · 01-30-2006, 11:37 PM

i did not say there is global manufacturing standard across different companies what i said is with one company operating in different conutries have standard operation which enable the companies to reduce cost and use same equipment across their operation around the world. ISO standards does not say how the operations needs to be done it is defined by the company itself but they discipline themselves using ISO guidelines.

cheezz · 01-31-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by iserum

i did not say there is global manufacturing standard across different companies what i said is with one company operating in different conutries have standard operation which enable the companies to reduce cost and use same equipment across their operation around the world. ISO standards does not say how the operations needs to be done it is defined by the company itself but they discipline themselves using ISO guidelines.

I totally agree with you. But Mr Beaver won't...for the sake or argument.

cheezz · 01-31-2006, 01:35 AM

Mr Beaver, point out to me where I'm wrong in my post.

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Originally Posted by Ward Cleaver

There are no standards dictating or mandating a certain level of quality in order for a product to be sold in the United States.

Regards,
-Ward

Youre so wrong on this.
Ever heard of automobile emmission standards?

Ward Cleaver · 01-31-2006, 11:10 AM

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Posted By Cheezz - "Youre so wrong on this.
Ever heard of automobile emmission standards?"

You are just as misguided with your example of emission standards as you were when you attempted to compare the regulation of pharmaceuticals with the regulation of manufacturing.

Emission standards are environmental safety standards that are mandated by the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). Those mandates have nothing to do with whether a car is built with quality.
Just like front and rear restraints (lap belts and shoulder harnesses). These are mandated by the Federal government.
The Yugo met all the EPA and seat belt standards of its day, but it was still a cheaply made compact car compared to other compact cars.

There are no mandates in place (other than Federal mandates that concern safety) which dictate a level of quality in the manufacture of automobiles around the world...how well the engine is built, how resisitant the body is to rust, how much fit and finish is built into the body, whether the manufacturer offers a 3 year or a 5 year warranty, etc.

The responsibility to purchase a quality consumer product lies with the consumer.
Shop around, do your homework, compare and get the best quality product that you can find for your money...this applies just as well to LCD and Plasma televisions.

Don't mistankenly think there are some sort of mandates or world wide regulations in place which make the quality of all televisions equal.

Also, this will be my last response to you in this thread because not only are you beating a dead horse, but now I notice that you have taken this thread to a lower level with little comments and immature user name twisting (ie: "Mr. Beaver") which shows me a level of frustration and immaturity that I would expect to see in a 14 year old boy...not a grown man.

As I said in an earlier post, life is too short for me to waste time once I see adolescent nonsense and immaturity.

Moving on to another thread.

Regards,
-Ward

cheezz · 01-31-2006, 11:19 AM

Mandates regulated by the EPA or any Federal/local agencies are still based on standards. After all, this discussion was about standards. And like I said before it applies to manufacturing, industrial, services and to you too, Mr. Beaver. Unless of course you don't have any.
My last post also, cause I already have beaten a "dead horse"

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01-29-2006, 01:27 AM	#22
cheezz High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 938	Let's get back on track here. Monster cables are just in the eyes of the beholder. Some people see the improvement, some don't. The way I see it, it could be the display itself that is not allowing any improvement. Or it could be you or me. It's like people can't see the difference between 720p and 1080i. So Ward, I suggest you keep on posting the progress of your Philipps.

01-29-2006, 01:44 PM	#24
cheezz High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 938	[quote=Ward Cleaver]It appears you are looking for a little wiggle room now that you realize my statements are accurate and my points are valid. And I will allow you that wiggle room by agreeing with you that consumers end up paying for "minimum standards" (ie: junk) if they opt to go the cheapy route." I see nowhere in my post thats says your points are invalid. "Early on in this thread I said that we are talking about manufacturing, not pharmaceuticals. There are a whole different set of rules and regulations that are mandated by the FDA which apply to pharmaceuticals. So, to compare pharmaceuticals to manufacturing is really comparing apples to oranges." Standards apply not just to manufacturing but to construction, services, etc. Even to individuals. If you don't set yourself, your company, your manufacturing, your services, to an accepable standard you'll find yourself out of the loop in this highly competetive world. Nuff said on my part. I don't want to monopolize this thread.

01-31-2006, 11:19 AM	#30
cheezz High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 938	Mandates regulated by the EPA or any Federal/local agencies are still based on standards. After all, this discussion was about standards. And like I said before it applies to manufacturing, industrial, services and to you too, Mr. Beaver. Unless of course you don't have any. My last post also, cause I already have beaten a "dead horse"