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Old 10-21-2011, 08:16 AM   #1
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Check this crap out. I bought a Samsung PN51D7000 and am so blown away by how much better hte PQ is compared to ANY other tv and now I have to RETURN IT AND PAY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS in fees all due to eye fatigue.

For days in a row now even a few mintues watching it, regardless of distance from the set, my eyes blink constantly and feel fatigued. I can then go and put my eyes right up to this lcd monitor and all the fatigue goes away.

Not much more depressing than finding the PERFECT tv only to have to return it due to a health issue. And then to top it off by paying hundreds to even be allowed to return it.

I got one awesome deal too. It only cost me $1100 including white glove delivery! I wanted so bad to keep it for that price, but this ahs eben too many days of this problem for me to believe it will ever stop.

Does anyone have any clue what I can do to find a tv that won't do this? Do you think it's theat so called strobe effect flicker or whatever it's called? LED monitors seemed to bother my eyes also.

All i can figure is it's flicker or refresh rates themselves or glossy screens. Otherwise I have no clud. CCFL matte sets aren't doing this to me.

This was the first plasma I ever owned and now how horrible to have seen for myself how superior plasma is to lcd and then be forced to go back to lcd. It's also kind of funny because of the sony fanboys such as rizzo who will put down people who don't say the hx929 is so perfect when in reality the 929 doesn't even touch the quality of these samsung plasmas. Nothing does. Experts picked it as the best tv over the elites also.
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When was your last eye exam? Do you wear glasses or contact lenses? If so, are you hyperopic (farsighted) or myopic (nearsighted). What distance do you sit from the tv. Also to be specific are you suffering from eye fatigue or eyestrain -they are 2 different things and the root cause between the two can vary.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:56 AM   #3
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Is the TV calibrated???
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Sounds like a severe case of "I" fatigue.
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Check this crap out. I bought a Samsung PN51D7000 and am so blown away by how much better hte PQ is compared to ANY other tv and now I have to RETURN IT AND PAY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS in fees all due to eye fatigue.

For days in a row now even a few mintues watching it, regardless of distance from the set, my eyes blink constantly and feel fatigued. I can then go and put my eyes right up to this lcd monitor and all the fatigue goes away.

Not much more depressing than finding the PERFECT tv only to have to return it due to a health issue. And then to top it off by paying hundreds to even be allowed to return it.

I got one awesome deal too. It only cost me $1100 including white glove delivery! I wanted so bad to keep it for that price, but this ahs eben too many days of this problem for me to believe it will ever stop.

Does anyone have any clue what I can do to find a tv that won't do this? Do you think it's theat so called strobe effect flicker or whatever it's called? LED monitors seemed to bother my eyes also.

All i can figure is it's flicker or refresh rates themselves or glossy screens. Otherwise I have no clud. CCFL matte sets aren't doing this to me.

This was the first plasma I ever owned and now how horrible to have seen for myself how superior plasma is to lcd and then be forced to go back to lcd. It's also kind of funny because of the sony fanboys such as rizzo who will put down people who don't say the hx929 is so perfect when in reality the 929 doesn't even touch the quality of these samsung plasmas. Nothing does. Experts picked it as the best tv over the elites also.

My first Samsung plasma , a HPT5054 model , had a screen flicker that wasn't always noticeable that hurt your eyes . Putting the tv on a channel with a solid background like a hockey game and the flicker was very apparent . I called Samsung customer support and they sent a Samsung tech to my house and he replaced the logic board under the factory warranty . It took about 25 minutes and completely cured the problem . Hope this helps . Good luck !
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Blah I wish I had read that reply before telling these people to send back a tv. Basically I had bought the tv originally from Amazon. I then bought it cheaper elsewhere and was returnign this one to Amazon. I now told them to not even deliver the second one so now I'm screwed and out hundreds of dollars.

Ikind of doubt my problem would be one that could be fixed like that though because I've been ahving eye issues and headaches with a lot of tvs I've bought lately, but not my old one or CCFL ones in general. But ahd I read your email I may have taken the delivery of this second one and tried it to see if it did the same thing. I guess I'll never know now if I wasted that return shipping cost or if it was a lost cause and always going to bother my eyes.

I haven't had an eye exam in ages, but I am legally blind technically. Main way that affects tvs is I usually sit clsoer than most people. But with this one i tried sitting right at the tv, 3 feet away, 4, 5, all the way to 8 feet away and really all distances bothered me the past few days. I read on another forum site where some guy ahd these same issues with a plasma a few years ago and he never gfigured out the cause of it.

As far as calibration, I didn't technically calibrate it, but I ahd it clsoe to CNET's calibrations, so although their settings usually suck, they're certainly decent enough to where if a problem happens it's not likely due to crazy settings.

I've bought like 5 tvs over the past month and I'm sick of it so I may have to stick with my old tv a while longer because until I know why this is happening I can't predict which tvs won't do it. And checking in stores doesn't ever shed a light on it.

So far the oens which definitely bothered me are this plasma and the sony hx820. Only similarity between those two is a glass screen. Not much else. I tried a 55 inch lg lw5600 and it bothered me, but I thought it was due to the 55 being too big for this small room. So I am unsure whether to buy that in the 47 or not since this issue is so baffling.

Since I had to pay shipping on this second samsung regardless I guess I should have kept it a few days and tried it. I've been making bad decisions. That tv was so so awesome and if I end up with a matte screen lcd I don't know how it could even be physically possible to have close to as good of a picture. It probably needs that glass screen to even get the contrast good enough.

edit: man now it's very weird going back to using this ccfl sony 46ex500 after using that plasma. I seriously feel nausea now, which is surprisign when going down in size instead of up. The skin tones look terrible compared to how they were on the samsung plasma. How fun to pay the same price for far inferior quality.

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Oh also to answer about the problem, basically out of nowhere I need to start blinking a lot and then the eye (sometimes both, sometimes just one) feels itchy and fatigued like I hadn't got any sleep. And like somethign is in it (sand or something). It's done it 4 days in a row so I finally gave up on it fixing itself.

What sucks is if it did turn out the tv wasn't the cause, it would be impossible to find this tv cheap enough to offset these hundreds of wasted dollars where I could feel like I didn't waste them. I spent only $1100 on it and even on black friday I'm sure nobody will have it cheaper than that. Blah.
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If I were you I'd immediately schedule an appointment with your eye doctor . I had a problem with 3D headaches , but then one day while watching tv I noticed that the red standby light on my CD player looked fuzzy . Putting on an old pair of glasses it looked much clearer . Turns out my prescription changed as my distance sight got better , but up close vision got slightly worse - it had been 5 years since my last eye doctor visit . Got a new eyeglass prescription and my 3D headache problems disappeared . Now I go every year to the eye doctor for eye exams as those yearly company physicals I had thought were good enough definitely were not !
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yeah, but see it doesn't do it on CCFL lcd sets. So it's not likely my vision itself. This is so depressing because I spent so long finally ending up on the eprfects et (other than the slight buzzing... and I didnt notice brightness fluctuations so who knows...). I originally thought the tv was too big. I got a migraine and nausea because it's 51 inches in a very small room. Now after a week of it I got more used to the size and the [picture is stunnign and then boom I have to return it anyway.

There's probably no reason to believe that a panasonic plasma won't cause the issue, is there? I assume the only thing that could cause it would be soemthing which would be the same on all plasmas, such as refresh rate or the nature of plasma light itself.

The more realistic look of people and the uniformity and viewing angle are what I will be depressed losing by going back to lcd. But at this point I know no reason to suspect that a different plasma will be better for my eyes. And thus far led tvs seem to bother my eyes also. I was turning down their backlight and contrast like amd and still they were bothering me.
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Oh also to answer about the problem, basically out of nowhere I need to start blinking a lot and then the eye (sometimes both, sometimes just one) feels itchy and fatigued like I hadn't got any sleep. And like somethign is in it (sand or something). It's done it 4 days in a row so I finally gave up on it fixing itself.

What sucks is if it did turn out the tv wasn't the cause, it would be impossible to find this tv cheap enough to offset these hundreds of wasted dollars where I could feel like I didn't waste them. I spent only $1100 on it and even on black friday I'm sure nobody will have it cheaper than that. Blah.
I highly reccomend getting an updated eye exam and the symptoms you are describing are classic for keratitis sicca also known as dry eye syndrome. If so it most definitely won't fix itself and activities such as reading or watching tv (which dramatically slow the blink reflex) will continue to exacerbate the situation but the condition can easily be treated, typically with eye drops such as Restasis, Lotemax or even some OTC lubricants or possibly even punctal occlusion.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:35 AM   #11
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Like I said, thoguh, it only does it with certain tvs. It doesn't do it with CCFL sets. And I read on another site where someone ahd the same issue with a plasma a few years ago and had constanht eye doctor appointments including eye drops and nothign ever solved it.

I'm more trying to figure out what the difference is in the tvs which causes certain ones to do this to me. I've had this problem with my parents' samsung led 250hz, a sony hx820 which is also 240hz, and the samsung plasma. All three have glass screens, but othwerwise I can't think of some characteristic which all three share. I tried a 55 inch lg which was 120hz and I dont recall this happening, but it may have. I was mroe concentrating on how the big size was making me feel sick so may have overlooked eye issues.

The tv which does not cause it is the ex500 which is 120hz, matte screen, and CCFL backlight.

Running out of options and the ex500's picture is not remotely impressive and doesn't have 3d so paying $900 for something like that seems really lame with all these great tvs for similar prices.

If it does turn out to be partly related to eyes being dry, though, then it's even more depressing that I sent away the perfect tv other than eye issues.
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This would be hard to evaluate in stores too. Even if one did show its eye issue causing in a store, then it would mean I couldn't try a second set because the eye irritation would still be there form the first set thus not allow a fair evaluation.

I saw on one site someone RAISED the backlight on an eld tv to fix his eye issues. Yet most people say brightness is what causes it with led sets.

Mostly only choices left are lg 47lw5600 and panasonic 46st30. And one vizio. A lot of peple on this type of site will bash vizio, but it's full array for only $1,000 and almost everyone rates it 5 stars.
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I have no clue what tv to even try next since I'm clueless as to what causes this. Still all fine with the CCFL set. It's CCFL, matte, 130hz. So one of those three is the key apparently. If it's truly led lights doing it and the plasma was just something else then that means I can';t get any led set or plasma! If it's related to refresh rate then I have no clue what about refresh rate is the problem. Some say that some tvs mess with refresh rate by flickering on the screen so maybe it's the tvs which use that type which cause the problem and the plasma had that stupid unnecessary 600hz subfield thing too.

All I really can think of left to try are lg 47lw5600, sony 46nx720, and panasonic 46st30. There's just not much left to even try. And those all have problems. The panasonic has fuzz in the picture and can't get bright even for a plasma. The lg has bad viewing angles and is matte thus can't get good enough contrast, and the sony has a glossy glass screen I believe.
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And by the way, people baffle me as to what you/they think are good calibrations. For instance, turning sharpness all the way down and then the picture being fuzzy with no detail. That's not "realistic". Since when in reality have you seen people with fuzzy faces due to not enough sharpness? And usually calibrations have dull colors too. None of that is realistic yet it's claimed to be.
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And by the way, people baffle me as to what you/they think are good calibrations. For instance, turning sharpness all the way down and then the picture being fuzzy with no detail. That's not "realistic". Since when in reality have you seen people with fuzzy faces due to not enough sharpness? And usually calibrations have dull colors too. None of that is realistic yet it's claimed to be.
Increasing Sharpness only adds to 'Noise' and true calibration brings accurate colors, some may consider a little soft with careful adjustment you can bring image 'up' a little but you sound like you want abstract color .....to each his own'. If you think people baffle you, think what you do to folks like us.
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