Calibration discs vs D-Nice settings/offsets???

mbec2 · 05-27-2011, 10:26 AM

Will calibration discs make a HUGE difference from OOTB settings? They do not adjust offsets.

If I bought a new Panasonic, which would give me better results:

A calibration disc, or D-Nice's break-in settings/offsets?

Loves2Watch · 05-27-2011, 12:32 PM

That really depends. A calibration disc will allow you to adjust the brightness, contrast, color, tint and sharpness in your lighting environment. The settings from D-Nice cannot take into account your ambient lighting nor can they account for any differences in your display from the unit he arrived at those settings on. As each and every display is different settings from others may or may not make your set look good.

Scottnot · 05-27-2011, 05:13 PM

I agree that using anyone's settings is sort of a crap shoot because no two sets are the same and ambient conditions differ.

Also agree that a calibration disc will allow for proper adjustment of brightness (black level) and tint.

As for contrast (white level) all the disc will do is tell you at what level your whites will start to wash out - once that value is known, just adjust it for most comfortable viewing at ambient conditions, usually considerably lower than the maximum level determined by the calibration disc, but absolutely never higher.

Similar situation for color (saturation): the calibration disc will yield an "optimum" setting, but differences in content may have you tweeking it up or down from time to time to get a picture that is pleasant to you.

**ImRizzo** · 05-27-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottnot

I agree that using anyone's settings is sort of a crap shoot because no two sets are the same and ambient conditions differ.

Also agree that a calibration disc will allow for proper adjustment of brightness (black level) and tint.

As for contrast (white level) all the disc will do is tell you at what level your whites will start to wash out - once that value is known, just adjust it for most comfortable viewing at ambient conditions, usually considerably lower than the maximum level determined by the calibration disc, but absolutely never higher.

Similar situation for color (saturation): the calibration disc will yield an "optimum" setting, but differences in content may have you tweeking it up or down from time to time to get a picture that is pleasant to you.

When I did the calibration on my XBR8 I found myself doing the Cali, then going back in because when adjusting one section and then going back to a previous setting it was no longer accurate so I would have to tweak it again. I had to do this numerous times before I achieved my final setup.

dsskid · 05-27-2011, 08:12 PM

In order for you to be able to use D-Nice's setting and to have a chance for them being accurate, you'd need to follow his panel aging procedure exactly.

Scottnot · 05-28-2011, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsskid

In order for you to be able to use D-Nice's setting and to have a chance for them being accurate, you'd need to follow his panel aging procedure exactly.

Even so (and this was posted here over three years ago):

Television sets are manufactured with various electronic components;
all electronic components have varying levels of tolerances and manufacturing variations.
As a result of this, no two television sets will perform identically; there will be a normal distribution of performance in all operational parameters. In the case of TVs these will clearly noticeable in the areas of brightness, contrast, color saturation and tint.

Take any two "identical" televisions and put them side-by-side with the settings on exactly the same points and they will not look exactly the same except by random occurence.
The probabilities are that most of them will be somewhat close,
but many will be extremely different and not at all where they should be if properly calibrated.

For those who do not wish to believe this . . . fine and good luck.

Loves2Watch · 05-28-2011, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottnot

Even so (and this was posted here over three years ago):

Television sets are manufactured with various electronic components;
all electronic components have varying levels of tolerances and manufacturing variations.
As a result of this, no two television sets will perform identically; there will be a normal distribution of performance in all operational parameters. In the case of TVs these will clearly noticeable in the areas of brightness, contrast, color saturation and tint.

Take any two "identical" televisions and put them side-by-side with the settings on exactly the same points and they will not look exactly the same except by random occurence.
The probabilities are that most of them will be somewhat close,
but many will be extremely different and not at all where they should be if properly calibrated.

For those who do not wish to believe this . . . fine and good luck.

Exactly...

dsskid · 05-30-2011, 06:00 AM

Scott, I don't disagree. Reread my post. I stated to have any chance, not that the chances were good.

rubystone1111 · 05-30-2011, 07:33 AM

I own the panasonic tcp50gt25. its an awesome set. I didnt use d-nice settings. I use the thx settings and also the 3d settings that james cameron released for the gt25. that works great. I had to less calibration on the plasma compared to the other tvs that I had in the past. I had a rear projection and an lcds.
the black on black works great on the plasma.

Jacob

Scottnot · 05-30-2011, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsskid

Scott, I don't disagree. Reread my post. I stated to have any chance, not that the chances were good.

Sorry for any confusion there, didn't mean to imply that you might have disagreed;
just wanted to emphasize the crap-shoot nature of copying settings.

05-27-2011, 10:26 AM	#1
mbec2 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 162	Calibration discs vs D-Nice settings/offsets??? Will calibration discs make a HUGE difference from OOTB settings? They do not adjust offsets. If I bought a new Panasonic, which would give me better results: A calibration disc, or D-Nice's break-in settings/offsets?

05-27-2011, 12:32 PM	#2
Loves2Watch Former Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In Flux Posts: 20,284	That really depends. A calibration disc will allow you to adjust the brightness, contrast, color, tint and sharpness in your lighting environment. The settings from D-Nice cannot take into account your ambient lighting nor can they account for any differences in your display from the unit he arrived at those settings on. As each and every display is different settings from others may or may not make your set look good. __________________ It's always time for pie Live everyday as if it was your last and plan on living forever...

05-27-2011, 05:13 PM	#3
Scottnot Progress Not Perfection Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,714	I agree that using *anyone's* settings is sort of a crap shoot because no two sets are the same and ambient conditions differ. Also agree that a calibration disc will allow for proper adjustment of brightness (black level) and tint. As for contrast (white level) all the disc will do is tell you at what level your whites will start to wash out - once that value is known, just adjust it for most comfortable viewing at ambient conditions, usually considerably lower than the maximum level determined by the calibration disc, but absolutely never higher. Similar situation for color (saturation): the calibration disc will yield an "optimum" setting, but differences in content may have you tweeking it up or down from time to time to get a picture that is pleasant to you. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charles Krug, 1978 Vintage Selection, Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon Beringer, 1980, Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon Port Morano, 1980 Vintage Port Beaulieu Vinyards, 1982 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon Stratford, 1983 Merlot Chateau La France, 1986 St. Emilion Sutter Home, 1982 Napa Valley Zinfandel The lonesome sipper

05-27-2011, 08:12 PM	#5
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	In order for you to be able to use D-Nice's setting and to have a chance for them being accurate, you'd need to follow his panel aging procedure exactly. __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty

05-30-2011, 06:00 AM	#8
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	Scott, I don't disagree. Reread my post. I stated to have any chance, not that the chances were good. __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty

05-30-2011, 07:33 AM	#9
rubystone1111 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 398	I own the panasonic tcp50gt25. its an awesome set. I didnt use d-nice settings. I use the thx settings and also the 3d settings that james cameron released for the gt25. that works great. I had to less calibration on the plasma compared to the other tvs that I had in the past. I had a rear projection and an lcds. the black on black works great on the plasma. Jacob