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Old 01-21-2011, 05:00 PM   #1
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By reading my question you can tell I am a novice and am new to this forum, so any help would be greatly appreciated. I recently bought a Samsung UN46B7100WFXZA LED HDTV that has PIP. My current Vizio has this feature and I am able to view two HDTV stations at the same time with a splitter, one line goes to a high def box through to an component input on the Vizio; the other line goes to the DTV/TV input. I assumed since the Samsung had PIP that this would be possible with it. After trying it I contacted Samsung tech support and they said that the TV only has one tuner so this would not be possible. Is there any solution to this problem without buying a new TV? If there is some auxiliary hardware etc that I could purchase please give me detailed info on this hdwe(brand, model #, cables needed etc.)since I don't know what I am doing... Thanks!
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If i'm reading this right, on your Vizio one of your PIP sources is through the built-in tuner, while your other PIP source is your "hi def box" connected via component, so you're already only using one TV tuner (the one built into the Vizio). You're other "tuner" would be your hi def box. In theory, your new Samsung should do the same thing as long as it's connected exactly the same as your Vizio is.

However, not all PIP-equipped TVs will allow this due to tighter HDCP regulations on the newer TVs. It's likely that your new Samsung's PIP must have a non-HD source (like the regular yellow A/V input) and will not display a source that's connected via Component or HDMI. It could be that your Vizio (would be nice to include the model number) is older and doesn't have the newer non-HD restrictions built into it. Or it could just be that Samsung didn't want to go through the added expense of including the circuitry that would allow their PIP to display an HD source.

Read your Samsung manual's PIP section and see if it has a note about what sources it will work with. It looks like the Samsung rep (who are usually pretty clueless anyway) misunderstood the method you're using with your Vizio since they said their TV doesn't have two tuners. You're only using one TV tuner with your Vizio setup.

Virtually all new/current TVs only have one tuner now (they have one RF input). My 2006 HP LCD TV has three separate tuners (3 RF inputs), but all of my other Plasmas and LCDs only have one tuner.
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My Samsung can ONLY use the analog built-in tuner in PIP. since there are no analog channels, it is totally useless.

I contacted Samsung about a firmware upgrade to use PIP and they said no.
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Randy - Can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and input. The following is a quote from the Samsung manual "You can use the PIP feature to simultaneously watch the TV tuner and one external video source. This product has one built-in-tuner, which does not allow PIP to function in the same mode." Then it has a chart"PIP Settings" which says that the main picture can get it's source from Component, HDMI or PC and the sub picture only source is TV.

Currently I have two high def boxes one going to the HDMI input on the new Samsung and the other going to the Antenna In input. I have the HDMI selected as my source. When I go into setup and access the PIP, the only two sources I have a choice of is Air or Cable. I select cable and then it only gives me the choices of channels 4, 6 & 7 when the high def box that is plugged into the Antenna In input has about 100 channels..

What if anything can I do now?
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Thanks DoctorCAD... I appreciate your input.
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My Samsung can ONLY use the analog built-in tuner in PIP. since there are no analog channels, it is totally useless.

I contacted Samsung about a firmware upgrade to use PIP and they said no.
You can get around this with an RF modulator. I use my Samsung 32 inch LCD mainly as my computer monitor connected via HDMI (DVI) port. I need to do this to watch protected media like Blu-Rays. I have my DirectTV HD Tuner connected to the TV via an HDMI cable (for when I want to watch TV only) and via Coax for PIP. Just run composite cables from your device (Tuner, Game System, DVD, etc.) to the RF Modulator. This changes the signal from composite to coax. Then run a coax cable from the coax out of the RF modulator to the Antennae input on the TV. Then you can use and HDMI as your main source, and whatever is connected via the ANT input as your sub input.

You will of course sacrifice some picture and sound quality. But,since it's my sub source in PIP, it's hardly noticeable. Just don't skimp on the RF modulator. You can get a decent one for about 15 bucks. I bought a Belkin one because it's generally a brand I trust and it's been solid.

I hope this saves anyone who reads this the week of experimentation I went through before I got this to work.
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