High-end flat panel HDTV shoot-out event

DTV TiVo Dealer · 08-05-2010, 08:18 AM

Every premium manufacturer's flagship flat panel offering will be on display and will be evaluated.

Participants include key note speakers, highly respected industry experts, video/audiophiles. High Def Forum members are invited.

Plasmas from: Panasonic ~ Samsung ~ LG, alongside LCD/LEDs from Sony ~ Toshiba ~ Samsung ~ LG.

Here are the details about the shootout:

Sponsor: Value Electronics - www.valueelectronics.com
Time: September 11, 2010 at 7 PM and September 12 at 3 PM EST
Location: 108 Garth Road, Scarsdale, NY 10583
Webcast: www.livestream.com/hdtvshootout
Phone: 800-789-5050 or 914-723-3344

There are still limited seats available for both days. To sign up and or get more information go to our special shoot-out web page.

Find out who's got the best HD flat panel for 2009-2010

-Robert

HiDefRev · 08-05-2010, 10:05 AM

This should prove to be very interesting. Thanks for the link.

DTV TiVo Dealer · 08-05-2010, 11:21 AM

Thanks HiDefRev ^^.

At the request of PFC5 and others we are including a comparison and measurements of the before and after ISF calibration.

-Robert

PFC5 · 08-05-2010, 11:43 AM

I am really looking forward to hearing about the results and if I get lucky to be able to finally attend one if work permits it.

Thanks for adding that pre/post calibration and I hope they can try to adjust them with just the user menus like a consumer could easily do with a calibration disc so we see how most people would see these TVs in their homes as most do not get pro calibrations. It will also show how much a pro calibration may improve the PQ as well. These things would be good to know by most consumers.

Thanks for doing this as it is always informative when you do these shootouts.

DTV TiVo Dealer · 08-08-2010, 09:12 PM

Thanks PFC5! Hope you can attend. Any HDF member who is interested in attending are welcome to register to get a seat.

-Robert

mytime · 08-08-2010, 09:51 PM

Looking forward to it Robert. Will David be there with you?

DTV TiVo Dealer · 08-09-2010, 09:53 AM

mytime, yes David is attending.

The calibration team is Ed Johnson, D-Nice and Kevin Miller. Kevin Miller is our key note speaker. D-Nice and Ed Johnson and myself also have presenting subjects.

Panasonic, Samsung, Toshiba and LG to have their best technical product trainers presenting their products and we have one VIP guest speaker.

I just want to give away one special part of our agenda that will be very exciting and fun. We're launching our brand of active shutter Universal 3D glasses so the audience can easily scan across the shoot-out wall to evaluate the performance of each panel with varied 3D content. As you know all manufacturers require their own brand of 3D glasses so having Universal glasses will give us the unique opportunity to quickly and accurately compare every HDTVs 3D performance.

This will be our best HDTV shoot-out.

-Robert

TwoPlusTwo · 08-09-2010, 06:10 PM

This is going to be great. I'll be watching the webcast.

My prediction is that the VT25 is gonna curb-stomp it's competition in 3D, and have a slight edge in 2D as well.

**ImRizzo** · 08-09-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

Thanks HiDefRev ^^.

At the request of PFC5 and others we are including a comparison and measurements of the before and after ISF calibration.

-Robert

Looking forward to it.

TwoPlusTwo · 08-09-2010, 06:22 PM

Hey Robert, who is judging the sets in this event?

Is it the professionals Ed Johnson, D-Nice, and Kevin Miller? Or the crowd?

Because a crowd of casual viewers might just pick the set with the most "pop."

DTV TiVo Dealer · 08-09-2010, 07:23 PM

Great question ^^ glad you asked.

First, I want you to know that the audience is made up of TV Broadcast engineers, motion picture industry professionals and executives, and serious a/vphiles. This event is not open to the public, it is a private invited group of serious professionals and enthusiasts. BTW, you are invited!

Here's how we determine the ranking of each TV. Kevin Miller, our master calibrator, D-Nice and Ed Johnson puts up SMPTE test patterns and educates the audience on what we are looking at and how to interpret the test patterns. After all of the speakers have finished teaching we have a q/a session and finally one at a time we hand out four ballots each titled with the pq attributes and the audience walks around the room closely viewing each panel and rating them on a scale of 1 to 10. So first we'll do contrast ratio, then color saturation, then calorimetry (color accuracy), then motion resolution and for our group we add a 5th evaluation and that's how video actually looks with a reference BD movie.

We publish the results of each night's attendees as well as the panel of experts evaluations.

Keep asking questions!

-Robert

mytime · 08-09-2010, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

Great question ^^ glad you asked.

First, I want you to know that the audience is made up of TV Broadcast engineers, motion picture industry professionals and executives, and serious a/vphiles. This event is not open to the public, it is a private invited group of serious professionals and enthusiasts. BTW, you are invited!

Here's how we determine the ranking of each TV. Kevin Miller, our master calibrator, D-Nice and Ed Johnson puts up SMPTE test patterns and educates the audience on what we are looking at and how to interpret the test patterns. After all of the speakers have finished teaching we have a q/a session and finally one at a time we hand out four ballots each titled with the pq attributes and the audience walks around the room closely viewing each panel and rating them on a scale of 1 to 10. So first we'll do contrast ratio, then color saturation, then calorimetry (color accuracy), then motion resolution and for our group we add a 5th evaluation and that's how video actually looks with a reference BD movie.

We publish the results of each night's attendees as well as the panel of experts evaluations.

Keep asking questions!

-Robert

Last years was great. As I said looking forward to it.

DTV TiVo Dealer · 08-09-2010, 07:35 PM

HiDefRev, PFC5, TwoPlusTwo, TwoPlusTwo, mytime and other fine HDF members I want you to join us in person at one of the two dates. No excuses, NY is beautiful in mid September and you will love this event.

-Robert

**ImRizzo** · 08-09-2010, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

HiDefRev, PFC5, TwoPlusTwo, TwoPlusTwo, mytime and other fine HDF members I want you to join us in person at one of the two dates. No excuses, NY is beautiful in mid September and you will love this event.

-Robert

I may drop in too, if there's room, Sir.

dsskid · 08-09-2010, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

HiDefRev, PFC5, TwoPlusTwo, TwoPlusTwo, mytime and other fine HDF members I want you to join us in person at one of the two dates. No excuses, NY is beautiful in mid September and you will love this event.

-Robert

I'd like to go.......

08-05-2010, 08:18 AM	#1
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 530	High-end flat panel HDTV shoot-out event Every premium manufacturer's flagship flat panel offering will be on display and will be evaluated. Participants include key note speakers, highly respected industry experts, video/audiophiles. High Def Forum members are invited. Plasmas from: Panasonic ~ Samsung ~ LG, alongside LCD/LEDs from Sony ~ Toshiba ~ Samsung ~ LG. Here are the details about the shootout: Sponsor: Value Electronics - www.valueelectronics.com Time: September 11, 2010 at 7 PM and September 12 at 3 PM EST Location: 108 Garth Road, Scarsdale, NY 10583 Webcast: www.livestream.com/hdtvshootout Phone: 800-789-5050 or 914-723-3344 There are still limited seats available for both days. To sign up and or get more information go to our special shoot-out web page. Find out who's got the best HD flat panel for 2009-2010 -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer Last edited by DTV TiVo Dealer; 08-05-2010 at 08:21 AM.

08-05-2010, 10:05 AM	#2
HiDefRev The Universe is HiDef. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: State of Relativity, USA Posts: 2,281	Shoot out This should prove to be very interesting. Thanks for the link. __________________ Living Room Panasonic TC-P58VT25 3D Plasma HDTV, Panasonic DMP-BDT350 3D Blu-ray player, Sony PS3 Slim 160 Gig 3D enabled, Onkyo TX-SR608 7.2 3D AV Receiver, Yamaha NS-777 Front Tower Speakers, Yamaha NS-6490 Front Height and Surround Speakers, Cadence C-17 Center Speaker, Acoustic Audio HD-SUB15 Subwoofer, DIRECTV HR24-500 with DIRECTV2PC, RCA ANT806, Monoprice Cables Master Bedroom Panasonic PT-50LCZ70 1080p HDTV, Sony PS3 80 Gig, Onkyo HT-S6100 7.1 AV System, DIRECTV H25-500

08-05-2010, 11:21 AM	#3
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 530	Thanks HiDefRev ^^. At the request of PFC5 and others we are including a comparison and measurements of the before and after ISF calibration. -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer

08-05-2010, 11:43 AM	#4
PFC5 Former Super Moderator - RIP Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 38,295	I am really looking forward to hearing about the results and if I get lucky to be able to finally attend one if work permits it. Thanks for adding that pre/post calibration and I hope they can try to adjust them with just the user menus like a consumer could easily do with a calibration disc so we see how most people would see these TVs in their homes as most do not get pro calibrations. It will also show how much a pro calibration may improve the PQ as well. These things would be good to know by most consumers. Thanks for doing this as it is always informative when you do these shootouts. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

08-08-2010, 09:12 PM	#5
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 530	Thanks PFC5! Hope you can attend. Any HDF member who is interested in attending are welcome to register to get a seat. -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer

08-08-2010, 09:51 PM	#6
mytime Gah! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson, Missouri Posts: 7,193	Looking forward to it Robert. Will David be there with you? __________________ PFC5 you will be missed.

08-09-2010, 09:53 AM	#7
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 530	mytime, yes David is attending. The calibration team is Ed Johnson, D-Nice and Kevin Miller. Kevin Miller is our key note speaker. D-Nice and Ed Johnson and myself also have presenting subjects. Panasonic, Samsung, Toshiba and LG to have their best technical product trainers presenting their products and we have one VIP guest speaker. I just want to give away one special part of our agenda that will be very exciting and fun. We're launching our brand of active shutter Universal 3D glasses so the audience can easily scan across the shoot-out wall to evaluate the performance of each panel with varied 3D content. As you know all manufacturers require their own brand of 3D glasses so having Universal glasses will give us the unique opportunity to quickly and accurately compare every HDTVs 3D performance. This will be our best HDTV shoot-out. -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer

08-09-2010, 06:10 PM	#8
TwoPlusTwo Stillness Is The Move Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Academia Posts: 4,129	This is going to be great. I'll be watching the webcast. My prediction is that the VT25 is gonna curb-stomp it's competition in 3D, and have a slight edge in 2D as well. __________________ Game Room: Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO-101FD, Onkyo HT-S9100 w/ Onkyo TX-SR608 receiver, Gaming PC, Playstation 3, XBOX 360. Harmony One Remote. Currently Playing: The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition (PC), Binary Domain (PC) , Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (PC) Steam ID = NonTensorial

08-09-2010, 06:22 PM	#10
TwoPlusTwo Stillness Is The Move Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Academia Posts: 4,129	Hey Robert, who is judging the sets in this event? Is it the professionals Ed Johnson, D-Nice, and Kevin Miller? Or the crowd? Because a crowd of casual viewers might just pick the set with the most "pop." __________________ Game Room: Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO-101FD, Onkyo HT-S9100 w/ Onkyo TX-SR608 receiver, Gaming PC, Playstation 3, XBOX 360. Harmony One Remote. Currently Playing: The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition (PC), Binary Domain (PC) , Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (PC) Steam ID = NonTensorial

08-09-2010, 07:23 PM	#11
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 530	Great question ^^ glad you asked. First, I want you to know that the audience is made up of TV Broadcast engineers, motion picture industry professionals and executives, and serious a/vphiles. This event is not open to the public, it is a private invited group of serious professionals and enthusiasts. BTW, you are invited! Here's how we determine the ranking of each TV. Kevin Miller, our master calibrator, D-Nice and Ed Johnson puts up SMPTE test patterns and educates the audience on what we are looking at and how to interpret the test patterns. After all of the speakers have finished teaching we have a q/a session and finally one at a time we hand out four ballots each titled with the pq attributes and the audience walks around the room closely viewing each panel and rating them on a scale of 1 to 10. So first we'll do contrast ratio, then color saturation, then calorimetry (color accuracy), then motion resolution and for our group we add a 5th evaluation and that's how video actually looks with a reference BD movie. We publish the results of each night's attendees as well as the panel of experts evaluations. Keep asking questions! -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer

08-09-2010, 07:35 PM	#13
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 530	HiDefRev, PFC5, TwoPlusTwo, TwoPlusTwo, mytime and other fine HDF members I want you to join us in person at one of the two dates. No excuses, NY is beautiful in mid September and you will love this event. -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer