High-end flat panel HDTV shoot-out event

dsskid · 09-14-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hmunster2

Hi, I am new to your forum-wondering if I might ask some questions about what I saw on the shootout.
Did anybody notice that the VT25 was "flickering" the entire time (I watched both Sat and Sun events). I am assuming that might have something to do with us seeing it on a computer screen, but why only the VT25.

First, welcome to the forum.

The flickering was from the feed, and not from the display. The VT25 did occasionally flicker utilizing 96 Hz, but most of the program viewing was done set to 60 Hz.

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Originally Posted by hmunster2

Also, did anyone notice during the Sin City movie (on Sun) that during some fast motion scenes on the C8000, there would be a green halo. For instance in one scene Bruce Willis is moving his arm rapidly and the outer border showed green-I didn't see it on the VT25.
Just wondering if these things were evident to attendants, or it is because of the video-feed to our computers.

No I didn't but I was sitting off-axis. I would suspect that was also due to the feed, because on Saturday noone in the audience mentioned seeing it.

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Originally Posted by hmunster2

At least, now I have narrowed my choices between 4 sets these 2 plasmas or the Sony810 (but going to check out the new XVT Vizio backlit).

Thanks

From what i saw, I'd pick the Samsung or Panny.

Happy shopping.

PFC5 · 09-14-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hmunster2

Hi, I am new to your forum-wondering if I might ask some questions about what I saw on the shootout.
Did anybody notice that the VT25 was "flickering" the entire time (I watched both Sat and Sun events). I am assuming that might have something to do with us seeing it on a computer screen, but why only the VT25.
Also, did anyone notice during the Sin City movie (on Sun) that during some fast motion scenes on the C8000, there would be a green halo. For instance in one scene Bruce Willis is moving his arm rapidly and the outer border showed green-I didn't see it on the VT25.
Just wondering if these things were evident to attendants, or it is because of the video-feed to our computers.
At least, now I have narrowed my choices between 4 sets these 2 plasmas or the Sony810 (but going to check out the new XVT Vizio backlit).

Thanks

Welcome to the forum!

The flickering on the VT was due to the 96Hz mode which would be out of sync with the video shot at 60Hz. You will notice that those monitors behind the news people on TV tend to flicker as well when they have a refresh rate different than the video filmed rate.

On the B&W grayscale test screen of the Samsung plasma they did say that there was a ting of green in the middle frequencies. Maybe that is what you saw, but no one noticed it there with actual material so this was likely another issue with the video feed.

Diggersan · 09-14-2010, 06:02 PM

when and where are the results of the competition gonna be posted?

DTV TiVo Dealer · 09-14-2010, 08:13 PM

I just posted the pre and post ISF results.

-Robert

mytime · 09-14-2010, 08:20 PM

Thanks for taking the time Robert.

**ImRizzo** · 09-14-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

I just posted the pre and post ISF results.

-Robert

Thanks, great presentation, truly professional results all done without any bias.

dsskid · 09-15-2010, 05:13 AM

Excellent. Thanks again Robert.

dsskid · 09-15-2010, 05:19 AM

Please include me for the next one as well.

atreides · 09-15-2010, 06:51 AM

The pre/post ISF result of the UN55c8000 LED Samsung,are the same of the plasma version,if u can correct this,tyvm.

09-15-2010, 07:19 AM

...Just curious but why doesnt one of these "high-end" shoot-outs ever include one of these babies?

http://www.runco.com/products/flat-p...splays/plasma/

dsskid · 09-15-2010, 07:40 AM

I believe it was only for 3D capable sets

09-15-2010, 07:47 AM

...I dont think so as Robert at one time eluded that they may include a KURO as part of this shoot-out just for a comparison of KURO tech with todays models.High-end flat panel HDTV shoot-out event

Plus, I have never seen one of these Runco panels included in a panel shoot-out anywhere, ever....I for one would like to see how they stack up.....about even or blow the others out of the water. just curious, you understand.

dsskid · 09-15-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pappylap

...I dont think so as Robert at one time eluded that they may include a KURO as part of this shoot-out just for a comparison of KURO tech with todays models.High-end flat panel HDTV shoot-out event

Plus, I have never seen one of these Runco panels included in a panel shoot-out anywhere, ever....I for one would like to see how they stack up.....about even or blow the others out of the water. just curious, you understand.

Well, that was the impression that was given, but I could have been mistaken. Best to ask Robert directly.

09-15-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

Every premium manufacturer's flagship flat panel offering will be on display and will be evaluated.

Participants include key note speakers, highly respected industry experts, video/audiophiles. High Def Forum members are invited.

Plasmas from: Panasonic ~ Samsung ~ LG, alongside LCD/LEDs from Sony ~ Toshiba ~ Samsung ~ LG.

Here are the details about the shootout:

Sponsor: Value Electronics - www.valueelectronics.com
Time: September 11, 2010 at 7 PM and September 12 at 3 PM EST
Location: 108 Garth Road, Scarsdale, NY 10583
Webcast: www.livestream.com/hdtvshootout
Phone: 800-789-5050 or 914-723-3344

There are still limited seats available for both days. To sign up and or get more information go to our special shoot-out web page.

Find out who's got the best HD flat panel for 2009-2010

-Robert

...No mention of the shoot-out being 3D exclusive.....and as for the best panel....well, how can we judge if top of line models are not present?
I assume since Value Electronics is not a Runco dealer it would not benefit them to include those models in the contest....whadda' ya think?

dsskid · 09-15-2010, 08:23 AM

I can't address your assumptions on Robert's behalf.

09-14-2010, 08:13 PM	#124
DTV TiVo Dealer ValueElectronics.com Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 610	I just posted the pre and post ISF results. -Robert __________________ VE Advanced a/v technology dealer

09-14-2010, 08:20 PM	#125
mytime Sober...and hating it Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson, Missouri Posts: 8,263	Thanks for taking the time Robert. __________________ PFC5 you will be missed.

09-15-2010, 05:13 AM	#127
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	Excellent. Thanks again Robert. __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty

09-15-2010, 05:19 AM	#128
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	Please include me for the next one as well. __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty Last edited by dsskid; 09-15-2010 at 05:34 AM.

09-15-2010, 07:19 AM	#130
pappylap Guest Posts: n/a	...Just curious but why doesnt one of these "high-end" shoot-outs ever include one of these babies? http://www.runco.com/products/flat-p...splays/plasma/ Last edited by pappylap; 09-15-2010 at 07:36 AM.

09-14-2010, 06:02 PM	#123
Diggersan High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 41	when and where are the results of the competition gonna be posted?

09-15-2010, 06:51 AM	#129
atreides What is HD? Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1	The pre/post ISF result of the UN55c8000 LED Samsung,are the same of the plasma version,if u can correct this,tyvm.

09-15-2010, 07:40 AM	#131
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	I believe it was only for 3D capable sets __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty

09-15-2010, 07:47 AM	#132
pappylap Guest Posts: n/a	...I dont think so as Robert at one time eluded that they may include a KURO as part of this shoot-out just for a comparison of KURO tech with todays models.High-end flat panel HDTV shoot-out event Plus, I have never seen one of these Runco panels included in a panel shoot-out anywhere, ever....I for one would like to see how they stack up.....about even or blow the others out of the water. just curious, you understand.

09-15-2010, 08:23 AM	#135
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	I can't address your assumptions on Robert's behalf. __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty