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Old 12-21-2009, 12:19 PM   #1
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I currently have a Toshiba 34HFX83 as my main TV in our family room. It is in a custom 3 piece Oak Cabinet. Since it weighs a ton (150 lbs or so), and I cannot get behind it w/o 2 people ( to reconnect cables, etc), I am thinking of replacing it. Unfortunately I am limited in size due to the cabinet opening. The width is 36" (I can go an inch or 2 wider, and have the bezel behind the trim), and the height is 30". About the only 40" that will fit are a few of the Sonys (XBR9 and Z series). If so, I would probably have to move my center channel speaker to on top of the cabinet (2' above TV), since I can no longer place it directly on top of the TV. Would you recommend doing this? Would the picture quality be better or worse with an LCD?

Here is more info about our room/viewing preferences:

1. How far away will you be from the display when watching it? (Be as exact as possible. A 5' range difference IS a major difference - Please limit the range to 2')

12" from TV to viewing area

2. What TV will it be replacing (i.e. 27" tube TV, etc) (include TV age as well)

Toshiba 34HFX83

3. What will you be watching on it (i.e. 1/3 movies, 1/3 TV shows, 1/6 Sports, 1/6 gaming console, etc)

3/4 TV shows, 1/4 sports, occasional movies

4. Will a computer be connected to use the display as a monitor? If so, what percent of the time?

No

5. Will you be getting a Blu-ray player to watch movies and will you be getting any HD service from cable/sat, or will you just be watching SD programming, and an upscaling SD DVD player?

Already have had HD from Comcast for years. May upgrade to Blu-ray in the future

6. Are you looking for the best in class display, the best bargain display, or best bang for the buck in the middle display?

Display equal to or better than existing CRT

7. What is the room lighting situation? (i.e. can you control the lighting? Can you use light blocking blinds, etc to control it?)

8. What is your budget range?

up to $1300 or so

9. Will people be watching at multiple viewing angles or just usually one person sitting directly in the center?

1-2 people usually close to center.

10. When will most viewing be done on the display (i.e. Daytime or after sunset)?

Most viewing done at night

A local store has a Sony KDL40Z4100 (last years model). for a great price. This display has probably the smallest footprint of any I have seen. What would you think of this set? Any other recommendations, or should I just stick with my Toshiba. Thanks!
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I doubt you will be happy with the black levels coming from a CRT tube HDTV if you go with LCD other than a LED local dimming backlit LCD. You may also have issues with motion but this depends on the TV and on how sensitive your eyes are to motion blur.

You might want to consider a 42" Panasonic plasma and get an articulating mount to extend the TV out beyond the front edges of the cabinet or consider dumping the cabinet.
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Old 12-21-2009, 03:10 PM   #3
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The Panasonic TC-P42G10 plasma is 40" x 26" and is in stock at www.vanns.com for $979 with FREE shipping and NO tax. At this price you could modify your current stand, or purchase a new one. You might also check your local Sears and Best Buy, as they currently have some outstanding prices on Panasonic HDTVs. And..... you absolutely CAN NOT beat a Panasonic plasma. They are, without a doubt, the BEST HDTVs ( of ANY type ) manufactured today.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:10 AM   #4
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You might want to consider a 42" Panasonic plasma and get an articulating mount to extend the TV out beyond the front edges of the cabinet or consider dumping the cabinet.
I don't think my wife would go for dumping a $5000 custom built oak cabinet!

Do you know what the actual width of the screen is? I might be able to fit the TV inside the cabinet, with the only the screen showing. Also, any suggestions on the center channel speaker? Is placing it on top of the cabinet (2 ft above TV) a bad idea.

If the TV doesn't fit, I'll probably wait until they make a smaller plasma. You both have seemed to talk me out of a Sony LCD.
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Actually, the cabinet is a corner unit, so it gets wider as you go back. I could possibly recess the TV back a few inches and it might fit.
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I don't think my wife would go for dumping a $5000 custom built oak cabinet!

Do you know what the actual width of the screen is? I might be able to fit the TV inside the cabinet, with the only the screen showing. Also, any suggestions on the center channel speaker? Is placing it on top of the cabinet (2 ft above TV) a bad idea.

If the TV doesn't fit, I'll probably wait until they make a smaller plasma. You both have seemed to talk me out of a Sony LCD.
The plasma the op mentioned is 40.6 inches wide. (40 1/2 ) 28 inches high with a stand.
You can put your center on top of the cabinet but you will need to tilt it down towards your main seating area , if you leave it up there in a normal position the dialogue will just go right over your head. When using the center channel a lot of the main dialect is through the center and surely you don't want to miss it.

To answer your first question , yes you should replace your CRT and enjoy one of the very best plasma panels available today, you will never look back !
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I think if the CRT is still in good condition you might not really need to bother replacing it. ESPECIALLY if the cabinet size is too small for the plasma. CRT HDTV's still provide some of the best picture quality available today, only rivaled by plasma. So if its still in good condition and the Panny doesn't fit, keeping it might not be a bad idea.
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After reading your initial post....

A bigger brighter display will suit your needs.

The Z series Sony 4100 series in particular has OOB performance that fit your requirements and viewing habits.

ie. 12' away, mostly TV watching, it fits the cabinet (whew), DLNA compatable which means it can access your computer files and especially photos via wireless Ethernet and you said it was priced right.

These Sony's (Z's 4100's) are/were one of the most accurate displays from the factory that I have ever measured. So if you do ever want to dim the lights and watch a film, your good to go there as well.

As for the Z reproducing image quality "equal or better than", yes and no. The Toshiba's HFX series will have a better contrast ratio, but that's about it. The Z will not have the geometry issues I found with ALL widescreen CRT's and neither will it have convergence errors. The Color Temp and Primary/Secondary color points are dang near spot on with the Sony while getting them kinda close with the Tosh is possible, but only with hours of time spent on it.

As far as the Center channel is concerned, re run your setup within the receiver you own with the center placed where it has to go. Aiming it at your primary seating position is important as previously correctly noted. Your results may impress you.

I know that there are reasons for a plasma, but again noting your situ, if the Sony fits...wear it.

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IMO getting any LCD after owning a CRT HDTV would be a disappointing step down in PQ.

I have a friend with the last series of the Sony Wega HDTVs. The picture quality is absolutely gorgeous. The only TV's I've seen that compare are of course plasmas.
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I actually had the screen itself of the Panny 42G10 measured and it is 36" wide, so it would fit with the bezel itself hidden behind the trim of the cabinet. The cabinet is actually about 42" wide at the depth where I have my current TV, so this shouldn't be a problem. Just have to move the center speaker up top and tilt it down.

It sounds like the PQ of the Panny plasma is much better than the Sony LCD.

Doug K - If you had your choice, would you go with the Panny over the Sony (in my situation)?

hey sawzalot, I'm about 30 miles up the parkway from you. Any good local places to find the Panny.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far.
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I actually had the screen itself of the Panny 42G10 measured and it is 36" wide, so it would fit with the bezel itself hidden behind the trim of the cabinet. The cabinet is actually about 42" wide at the depth where I have my current TV, so this shouldn't be a problem. Just have to move the center speaker up top and tilt it down.

It sounds like the PQ of the Panny plasma is much better than the Sony LCD.

Doug K - If you had your choice, would you go with the Panny over the Sony (in my situation)?

hey sawzalot, I'm about 30 miles up the parkway from you. Any good local places to find the Panny.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far.
Well maybe you would like to try Eastcoast TV from right here in our forum with their very own thread:http://www.eastcoasttvs.com/index.ph...plasma-tv.html these guys are local looking to please our members at all costs and you don't pay until the panel is delivered and turned on to be assured that it is in A1 condition, then you pay.,I think there are some really good on line dealers that have very good prices on this panel here is one JR and the price is less than 900.00 http://www.jr.com/panasonic/pe/PAN_TCP42G10/
I think Vanns has a special price right now too.http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...onic-tc-p42g10
We are very unfortunate to not have anything other than BB to do our shopping around these parts so I always resort to online deals however my nephew works out at Soundadvice and I will give him a call for the lowest possible cost delivered to you and pm you back before 5 pm today, sawz..
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I am not answering for any body else but you really should go with the plasma you will not regret it , I was always a sony LCD guy and now I have a new 500M pio and all I can say is W O W ...
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Get the Panasonic, no doubt.
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I agree that plasma is the best choice for you IMO.
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