Would you ever consider buying an LG or Toshiba LCD?

DonnyDC · 11-21-2009, 03:15 AM

Not exactly at these sizes(55"). Is the Samsung premium really worth it? I dont have a huge problem waiting until LED backlit tvs get more mainstream and cheaper.

Samsung 8500 - $4000
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33740174.html

LGH90 - $2700
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33485569.html

LGLHX(wireless!) - $3500
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+55%...&skuId=9427186

Toshiba - $2000!
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33490609.html

I think the new Sony XBRs are edgelit so I dont think Id consider them.

**PFC5** · 11-21-2009, 03:33 AM

Unless you want to use it a lot for computer monitor tasks or in a sunroom, THIS is the HDTV you want to get but in the 54" size:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t....html?tag=also

This is the "Editor's Choice" and they said this about the V10 series:

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The high-end Panasonic TC-PV10 series of plasmas delivers the overall best picture quality of any flat-panel HDTV we've tested so far this year.

Better picture, excellent viewing angles, no blooming like all LED backlit LCDs seem to have to varying degrees, and the best motion you can get with 24Fps material being output at 96Hz 4:4 pulldown. And all that for much less money than any of those LED backlit LCDs. Trust me on this.

If it is a sunroom or also as a computer monitor, then I would go with the Toshiba LCD. They are much better in the 2009 models compared to the prior years models. I wouldn't touch an LG though.

IGExpandingPan · 11-21-2009, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Not exactly at these sizes(55"). Is the Samsung premium really worth it? I dont have a huge problem waiting until LED backlit tvs get more mainstream and cheaper.

I'm not really impressed with this Samsung, really. I've not seen the Toshiba you spoke of in action. Really IMHO the only benefit these sets offer is thinness. You're paying a mint for sub 2 inches, not PQ. If you're entertainment gear is located elsewhere, I can sort of see how this might gain you some room realestate, but so long as you're putting your gear under your TV IMHO it's pointless to go with anything under 4 inches.

Techlord · 11-22-2009, 01:30 AM

The poor off-angle viewing for the Samsung LED 8500 is a real drag considering the price you pay, this and motion blurr are the things that keep plasmas selling! Conventional LCDs are a little better regarding off-angle viewing, you need to have a look at the Samsung B750 series if you really are going for an LCD! Plasma really is the better choice for viewing in dim lit rooms, have a look at my LCD's viewing angle YouTube video below my signature.

anthead · 11-22-2009, 04:57 AM

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The poor off-angle viewing for the Samsung LED 8500 is a real drag considering the price you pay, this and motion blurr are the things that keep plasmas selling! Conventional LCDs are a little better regarding off-angle viewing, you need to have a look at the Samsung B750 series if you really are going for an LCD! Plasma really is the better choice for viewing in dim lit rooms, have a look at my LCD's viewing angle YouTube video below my signature.

Great video!! is there anyone that can do the same but with their plasma?

Techlord · 11-22-2009, 05:11 AM

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Great video!! is there anyone that can do the same but with their plasma?

You know what, that's what I was going to ask PFC5 for, even though I know what a plasma looks like off-angle. For the record you will not see any difference in off-angle viewing with a plasma, Panasonic rules the plasma market!

anthead · 11-22-2009, 05:21 AM

Hey, so while im here (directly related to your video) i was at BB the other day and i glanced over at their B750 (dont remember the size) but it looked Amazing!! i tried to go off angle with it and it must of been the crazy bright lights but i didnt notice anything like that.... does that happen in dim/dark rooms only?

Techlord · 11-22-2009, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by anthead

Hey, so while im here (directly related to your video) i was at BB the other day and i glanced over at their B750 (dont remember the size) but it looked Amazing!! i tried to go off angle with it and it must of been the crazy bright lights but i didnt notice anything like that.... does that happen in dim/dark rooms only?

You are going to see viewing angle issues mostly in a dim/dark environment, it's most difficult to see real true to life blacks in an ultra bright environment! That would be like trying to see how bright an LCD could get in an ultra bright environment, your now trying to compete with the bright lights in the showroom!

If your living room is well lit throughout the day then you'll never be in a position to view inky blacks, blacks are harder to see in such a well lit room which is why LCD might be a better choice for some people. Have you ever seen an LCD in a showroom that's dimmly lit? I think not, that's where the plasmas are!

anthead · 11-22-2009, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Techlord

You are going to see viewing angle issues mostly in a dim/dark environment, it's most difficult to see real true to life blacks in an ultra bright environment! That would be like trying to see how bright an LCD could get in an ultra bright environment, your now trying to compete with the bright lights in the showroom!

If your living room is well lit throughout the day then you'll never be in a position to view inky blacks, blacks are harder to see in such a well lit room which is why LCD might be a better choice for some people. Have you ever seen an LCD in a showroom that's dimmly lit? I think not, that's where the plasmas are!

its not crazy lit, we get daylight, never sunlight and my shades are usually shut... maybe i should wait till i move to get a new tv... see what that environment is like. the only problem is that its not gonna happen till the end of jan

Back to the topic, i've always considered samsungs lcds best of the best, but on here i usually see toshibas are most preferred as far as lcds... i say check'em both out at your local store, its real easy to say this is better then that but in the end beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Techlord · 11-22-2009, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by anthead

its not crazy lit, we get daylight, never sunlight and my shades are usually shut... maybe i should wait till i move to get a new tv... see what that environment is like. the only problem is that its not gonna happen till the end of jan

Back to the topic, i've always considered samsungs lcds best of the best, but on here i usually see toshibas are most preferred as far as lcds... i say check'em both out at your local store, its real easy to say this is better then that but in the end beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Right now you are a prime candidate for a plasma, the unknown awaits you!

anthead · 11-22-2009, 06:02 AM

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Right now you are a prime candidate for a plasma, the unknown awaits you!

im just real scared of burn in/ir (i know you guys say its a non issue but still worries me... i dont like being worried lol) also the whole 24p flickering issues + handshake issues with onkyos receivers (not sure if there was a firmware update to fix the handshake but these things are keeping me from doin up the plasma

Loves2Watch · 11-22-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by anthead

im just real scared of burn in/ir (i know you guys say its a non issue but still worries me... i dont like being worried lol) also the whole 24p flickering issues + handshake issues with onkyos receivers (not sure if there was a firmware update to fix the handshake but these things are keeping me from doin up the plasma

I have several Panasonic plasma TV's and several Onkyo receivers connected to them. No IR or burn in anywhere and no handshake issues.

You have got to ask yourself, do I want the best looking display or am I willing to settle for something inferior that I will be kicking myself in the butt for years to come for choosing...

**PFC5** · 11-22-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by anthead

Hey, so while im here (directly related to your video) i was at BB the other day and i glanced over at their B750 (dont remember the size) but it looked Amazing!! i tried to go off angle with it and it must of been the crazy bright lights but i didnt notice anything like that.... does that happen in dim/dark rooms only?

When I got my first LCD I was disappointed when I saw how poor the viewing angles were and how the colors shifted in my house. I swore when I looked for my next LCD I would make sure this didn't happen again and looked HARD for this before buying my 47" 1080p LCD. I didn't see this issue at all in the ultra bright stores, but sure enough when I got it home it still was a problem. That is why my next display was a plasma.

As I have said before LCDs were designed for bright offices as computer monitors and not for home movie/TV viewing with lights dimmer than offices. To see what I am talking about just put a black image on your LCD computer monitor and see how black it looks and then turn out the lights in the room. You will see how much the blacks become medium to dark gray at best. There is a reason the stores keep the store brightly lit. You just will not see those issues in them until you get it home.

Techlord · 11-23-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by anthead

im just real scared of burn in/ir (i know you guys say its a non issue but still worries me... i dont like being worried lol) also the whole 24p flickering issues + handshake issues with onkyos receivers (not sure if there was a firmware update to fix the handshake but these things are keeping me from doin up the plasma

Panasonic and a few other manufacturers don't have problems with burn-in, IR is temporary at best. To burn an image onto a current Panasonic plasma is very unlikely, you would have to "abuse it" severely to get any burn-in! I have seen countless Panasonic plasmas in bars and restaurant because of there excellent viewing angles, everytime I go back to BackWoods Barbecue I'm amazed at how well they look after two years of long hour use!

Panasonic actually has a feature that deals with IR if you left an image paused on-screen for several hours, you let this feature do it's thing and the ghost image is magically gone. Most have screensavers on their Blu-ray players, it really isn't an issue anymore! "You would be hard pressed to burn an image into a Panasonic plasma!"

anthead · 11-23-2009, 12:39 PM

So what about the flickering on 24p??

11-21-2009, 03:15 AM	#1
DonnyDC High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,213	Would you ever consider buying an LG or Toshiba LCD? Not exactly at these sizes(55"). Is the Samsung premium really worth it? I dont have a huge problem waiting until LED backlit tvs get more mainstream and cheaper. Samsung 8500 - $4000 http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33740174.html LGH90 - $2700 http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33485569.html LGLHX(wireless!) - $3500 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+55%...&skuId=9427186 Toshiba - $2000! http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33490609.html I think the new Sony XBRs are edgelit so I dont think Id consider them.

11-22-2009, 01:30 AM	#4
Techlord High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 1,270	The poor off-angle viewing for the Samsung LED 8500 is a real drag considering the price you pay, this and motion blurr are the things that keep plasmas selling! Conventional LCDs are a little better regarding off-angle viewing, you need to have a look at the Samsung B750 series if you really are going for an LCD! Plasma really is the better choice for viewing in dim lit rooms, have a look at my LCD's viewing angle YouTube video below my signature. __________________ I'll admit when I am wrong, why live in denial? I should have bought a Panasonic Plasma! Samsung LN52B750 240Hz LCD HDTV Oppo Digital BDP-83 Special Edition Denon AVR-5700 THX Ultra Certified Receiver M&K Sound LCR-750 THX Certified 5.1 Speaker System w/V-1250 THX Powered Subwoofer LCD's viewing angle issues seen here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOYnAmDLXbY

11-22-2009, 05:21 AM	#7
anthead High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 80	Hey, so while im here (directly related to your video) i was at BB the other day and i glanced over at their B750 (dont remember the size) but it looked Amazing!! i tried to go off angle with it and it must of been the crazy bright lights but i didnt notice anything like that.... does that happen in dim/dark rooms only?

11-23-2009, 12:39 PM	#15
anthead High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 80	So what about the flickering on 24p??