LCD vs Plasma who rules?

tRidiot · 10-21-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Techlord

They also outperform LCDs in every way, black levels, shadow detail, viewing angles, color accuracy and do not suffer from motion blurr.

Not in every way.... not quite.

LCDs do have the benefit of performing better in ultra-bright environments, as well as having almost no worry of burn-in or IR.

daleb · 10-21-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tRidiot

Not in every way.... not quite.

LCDs do have the benefit of performing better in ultra-bright environments, as well as having almost no worry of burn-in or IR.

I find any TV viewing most acceptable under moderate to dim lighting vs. ultra-bright surroundings, regardless of the technology used.
Burn In/IR are essentially non-problematic in modern plasmas.

tRidiot · 10-21-2009, 08:07 PM

I think that though both of those are small things, they are factors, depending on the situation. There are some situations where I would recommend an LCD over a plasma, however few and far between.

LCDs also have the advantage of being available in smaller sizes.

Lee Stewart · 10-21-2009, 09:51 PM

Behold!

The future for LCD displays:

BrightSide High Dynamic Range Display Technology

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/208

Techlord · 10-21-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Behold!

The future for LCD displays:

BrightSide High Dynamic Range Display Technology

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/208

Very interesting read Lee, a bunch of small tiny LEDs lit individuality instead of a matrix! Ever have someone shine an LED flashlight in you eyes? Now that's bright!

hotchickinHD · 10-24-2009, 02:57 PM

I was in costco today and saw the Panasonic Plasma 42TX14 (a Costco model). I wanted to like it as it is $599, but it was the darkest picture in the store. It was set at 96 Brightness. The LCD to the left and the Plasma to the right showed much more detail in the light areas. Personally I prefer plasma, but would I really be happier with a low-end Panasonic 42" plasma over a Samsung 40" LCD?

**PFC5** · 10-24-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hotchickinHD

I was in costco today and saw the Panasonic Plasma 42TX14 (a Costco model). I wanted to like it as it is $599, but it was the darkest picture in the store. It was set at 96 Brightness. The LCD to the left and the Plasma to the right showed much more detail in the light areas. Personally I prefer plasma, but would I really be happier with a low-end Panasonic 42" plasma over a Samsung 40" LCD?

The brightness setting controls the black level and contrast controls the white/bright level. I imagine with the brightness set to 96% that the colors would look very washed out and it would not look very good. That is why it is important to adjust settings to the best they can be for all TVs compared. In the bright store contrast should be up around 95-100% but brighness should only be around 50-60%.

Of course in those ultra bright stores it still will not show how they will look in your home unless your house is that bright also. In those bright stores LCDs being brighter than plasmas gives the PQ advantage to them as they were originally designed for bright offices, so for dimly lit rooms watching a movies the LCDs have to get turned way down to keep from burning your eyes out, and also to improve the black levels where LCDs fall short of plasmas.

I own both and in home lighting (especially with the lights low or off) my plasma blows away the LCDs I own especially with black levels and shadow detail on dark scenes. Viewing angles on LCDs will also be worse in dimmer lighting than what you see in those bright stores for the same reasons.

I own both so I am just telling it like it is when both types are calibrated for home lighting.

pappylap · 10-25-2009, 09:04 PM

Thanks for the Sticky guys, I hope it will help some with their decision regardless of the tech they choose.....

waveryder · 11-01-2009, 10:07 PM

Anyone out there in possession of one of the full LED backlight sets? What do you think so far? Please compare to what you are used to watching....

waveryder · 11-01-2009, 10:09 PM

If you haven't made a purchase yet I recommend you consider the basic 42" plasma from Samsung. They can be found around for $650-699 and I have seen a couple in real world settings and they look PDG.

waveryder · 11-01-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hotchickinHD

I was in costco today and saw the Panasonic Plasma 42TX14 (a Costco model). I wanted to like it as it is $599, but it was the darkest picture in the store. It was set at 96 Brightness. The LCD to the left and the Plasma to the right showed much more detail in the light areas. Personally I prefer plasma, but would I really be happier with a low-end Panasonic 42" plasma over a Samsung 40" LCD?

Look at the Samsung 42" plasma. Price is coming down close to the Panny and they look good IMHO.

Cheesus · 11-02-2009, 08:52 PM

They do? What about for gaming?

**PFC5** · 11-03-2009, 01:15 AM

The only 2 problems I have with Samsung plasmas compared to Panasonic plasmas which have been rated the most reliable brand for a few years running is that the Samsung blacks are not as good, and they seem to have less resistance to Image Retention (IR) compared to the Panasonic plasmas for comparable models. Samsung does give more controls for color but I was able to get my colors spot on with my Panasonic plasma based on using a DVE calibration disc. The colors look perfect and black levels would likely be a more noticeable issue than a very slight color difference.

My

Loves2Watch · 11-03-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

The only 2 problems I have with Samsung plasmas compared to Panasonic plasmas which have been rated the most reliable brand for a few years running is that the Samsung blacks are not as good, and they seem to have less resistance to Image Retention (IR) compared to the Panasonic plasmas for comparable models. Samsung does give more controls for color but I was able to get my colors spot on with my Panasonic plasma based on using a DVE calibration disc. The colors look perfect and black levels would likely be a more noticeable issue than a very slight color difference.

My

I tend to agree with that assessment...

mluntz · 11-07-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by waveryder

Anyone out there in possession of one of the full LED backlight sets? What do you think so far? Please compare to what you are used to watching....

LG 55LH90. Dark inky blacks, and brilliant whites. Gorgeous in the daytime, and even better in the dark! Off axis viewing is still a problem after about 30% off axis, but not a situation in my seating arrangement.

Plenty of picture setting menus, including 2 expert ISF modes for 2 and 10 point IRE color adjustments.

My old set was a JVC DILA 720P. I think I just got a new set of eyes!

Definitely worth a look.

10-24-2009, 02:57 PM	#21
hotchickinHD Hot Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 19	I was in costco today and saw the Panasonic Plasma 42TX14 (a Costco model). I wanted to like it as it is $599, but it was the darkest picture in the store. It was set at 96 Brightness. The LCD to the left and the Plasma to the right showed much more detail in the light areas. Personally I prefer plasma, but would I really be happier with a low-end Panasonic 42" plasma over a Samsung 40" LCD? __________________ Panasonic PV-M1379W

10-25-2009, 09:04 PM	#23
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11-01-2009, 10:07 PM	#24
waveryder A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seacoast NH Posts: 14	LED early returns? Anyone out there in possession of one of the full LED backlight sets? What do you think so far? Please compare to what you are used to watching....

11-03-2009, 01:15 AM	#28
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,420	The only 2 problems I have with Samsung plasmas compared to Panasonic plasmas which have been rated the most reliable brand for a few years running is that the Samsung blacks are not as good, and they seem to have less resistance to Image Retention (IR) compared to the Panasonic plasmas for comparable models. Samsung does give more controls for color but I was able to get my colors spot on with my Panasonic plasma based on using a DVE calibration disc. The colors look perfect and black levels would likely be a more noticeable issue than a very slight color difference. My __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

10-21-2009, 08:07 PM	#18
tRidiot High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 196	I think that though both of those are small things, they are factors, depending on the situation. There are some situations where I would recommend an LCD over a plasma, however few and far between. LCDs also have the advantage of being available in smaller sizes.

10-21-2009, 09:51 PM	#19
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,193	Behold! The future for LCD displays: BrightSide High Dynamic Range Display Technology http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/208

11-01-2009, 10:09 PM	#25
waveryder A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seacoast NH Posts: 14	If you haven't made a purchase yet I recommend you consider the basic 42" plasma from Samsung. They can be found around for $650-699 and I have seen a couple in real world settings and they look PDG.

11-02-2009, 08:52 PM	#27
Cheesus My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7	They do? What about for gaming?