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Old 01-03-2007, 09:49 PM   #1
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Hi Folks, i just upgraded my dtv dvr from the hr-10 to the hr-20.
My hr-10 i own, bought it at best buy last year. The hr-20 I bid on ebay brand new in the box sealed, and thought i owned??? (Big bucks to) When the new hr-20 arrived i deactivated the hr-10 and and hooked up and activated the new hr-20. Now here is the catch? After activating the hr-20 i had a couple of questions for the dtv operator about my old hr-10 and the new hr-20 of mine since I bought it on ebay. The question I asked her was about the ownership of my hr-10 she said that it is listed as my own (i own it) but the new hr-20 is listed as a lease???? how could this be I asked ! she stated if you didnt pay the full amount of $799.00 that the equipment is still dtv's. i said you dont even know what i paid for it or were i got it so how can it be listed as a lease. well she couldnt explain the details and i wasnt ready to listen, my patients was very thin... Any buddy have any comments it would be appreciated.
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:59 PM   #2
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No chance in hell that the equipment can be considered leased when buying off of ebay.
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You don't really OWN anything-- We are all just passing through
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:40 PM   #4
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If you didn't buy from DirecTV or an Authorized DTV Reseller, they'd have a hard time enforcing that lease BS. If it is in fact a lease... I'd leave NEGATIVE FEEDBACK for that ebay seller.
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Old 01-04-2007, 08:51 PM   #6
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No chance in hell that the equipment can be considered leased when buying off of ebay.
Sorry but it can. There are lots of people selling HR20s and other DirecTV systems on ebay and telling people they own them when in fact they don't. If the seller does not own the box then it is leased. The seller is selling something they do not own. DirecTV could tell you they will not activate the box unless it is marked as a lease.
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Old 01-05-2007, 11:13 AM   #7
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This brings up an interesting point -- I doubt anyone is paying $799 for the H20 -- perhaps 100-300 bucks max. Are all of those units "leased"? IF so, for how long? Does it work like a cable box -- you never really own those either.

I've been with DTV for around 7 years. I'm "pretty sure" I'm month to month as far as service commitment goes and I'm also "pretty sure" I own my recievers outright. I'm not paying any extra fees for a "lease" each month. I guess I should dig up the paperwork to find out.

It seems like many others of us here should too....
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If the seller does not own the box then it is leased.


thats not true, i have a leased H20 receiver and i have the box.
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Old 01-07-2007, 01:03 PM   #9
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When I installed my HR-20 that I had bought off eBay, the DirecTV guy, when confirming everything, said that I was leasing the box. I was like, "No, no. No, no." I told him that I owned the box and he changed it in my profiel. My guess is that it's the default to them that you lease th box.
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Old 01-07-2007, 02:07 PM   #10
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The whole lease thing is a real pain in the tail, that's my opinion anyway.

I asked the CSR when I called to order HD programming, the dish and the receiver... "Why did you go to leasing"? She said, "That's what the customers said they wanted". You'd be hard pressed to find that request on this forum, huh?

They probably have too many people hacking the box and getting FREE service is my guess... and this was the best way to combat that problem.
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Old 01-07-2007, 04:54 PM   #11
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The whole lease thing is a real pain in the tail, that's my opinion anyway.

I asked the CSR when I called to order HD programming, the dish and the receiver... "Why did you go to leasing"? She said, "That's what the customers said they wanted". You'd be hard pressed to find that request on this forum, huh?

They probably have too many people hacking the box and getting FREE service is my guess... and this was the best way to combat that problem.
I have a stupid theory about the lease vs own program for the HR-20. My theory is that if you owned the HR-20, D* might get into legal trouble when they take half of your hard drive for their VOD solution. In fact if you owned the device and they downloaded unsolicited content onto your hard drive, they could probably legally be charged as hackers (the bad ones, not the benign ones). If it is a lease they can use all the space on the hard drive that they want.
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Old 01-08-2007, 11:01 AM   #12
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Moving to a lease model is purely an accounting issue for DirecTV, there are no secret reasons for it. It allows DirecTV to retain the receivers as an asset and depreciate them over time, rather than taking an immediate hit for the cost of receivers that are given/sold to subscribers at below cost.
Read this (from DirecTV s 10-K filing in March 2006):
"Currently, under our sales model, all subscriber acquisition, upgrade and retention costs (including the cost of set-top receivers) are expensed immediately upon subscriber activation. Under the lease
program, we will retain ownership of most new set-top receivers provided to new and existing subscribers, and accordingly, will capitalize the cost of new leased set-top receivers as a fixed asset. Other subscriber acquisition costs will continue to be expensed immediately upon subscriber activation. Beginning in March 2006, we expect most of the set-top receivers provided to subscribers to be leased, which will result in a significant reduction to subscriber acquisition, upgrade and retention costs, partially offset by increasing depreciation expense as set-top receivers are depreciated over their average estimated useful lives. By retaining ownership of the set-top receivers, we will be able to recover and reuse the recovered set-top receivers for acquisition, upgrade and retention activities, which we expect will reduce our overall costs over time. Our revenues are not expected to change significantly due to the lease model, as the monthly mirroring fees currently charged to subscribers will generally be replaced with monthly lease fees; however, a portion of the upfront fees charged to subscribers will be deferred and recognized over the estimated subscriber life."
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Old 02-14-2007, 03:59 PM   #13
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I bought one HR-20 from Circuit City and read the agreement I signed at that time and it said quite clearly "Lease" or words to that effect. I did ask a Directv customer rep about the leasing policy and he told me that any equipment issued after a date in 2006, would be leased. I would imagine they would be able to show leased equipment as an asset, can't think of any other reason. Anyhow, whatever the date was last year, after that date if you bought from anywhere, you did in fact lease it.
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I bought one HR-20 from Circuit City and read the agreement I signed at that time and it said quite clearly "Lease" or words to that effect. I did ask a Directv customer rep about the leasing policy and he told me that any equipment issued after a date in 2006, would be leased. I would imagine they would be able to show leased equipment as an asset, can't think of any other reason. Anyhow, whatever the date was last year, after that date if you bought from anywhere, you did in fact lease it.
The operate no differently than Dish or Cable. Dish receivers are leased, unless you pay a huge price (same as DTV.. you can buy them at a huge price from DTV directly). Cable is a different model.. no up front costs, but they get you with the insane monthly fees.

A buddy of mine didn't understand why I paid up front money to DTV for equipment, then we compared bills. He gets 1/2 of what I get on his TW, and he pays 35.00 more per month.

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Old 03-10-2007, 01:16 AM   #15
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I got my Hr-20 for $20 (s&h) from the direct tv retention center Is it mine or a lease >?
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