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Old 05-08-2005, 08:37 AM   #1
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Thumbs up New Sanyo 27-inch 4:3 HDTV at Walmart

Last night I bought a brand-new Sanyo model HDTV at Walmart, the HT27745, for $447. Wheeee! To plagiarize from a post I saw recently, my head is spinning from so much goodness.

I'm an HDTV newbie, so bear with me as I do a quick dump of my initial reactions. Please don't tell me I should have gone for this or that additional feature -- you'll just ruin my high. And what I'll try to do is aim at the potential buyer at this level.

First, some background. Our 27-inch standard set appeared to be on its last legs. I was a little bit interested in Sanyo's 32-inch HT32744 at Walmart, but would have problems fitting it into some built-in cabinets in the living room, and didn't really want to spend $700. I'm not a major TV junkie -- no cable or satellite, and I've been using rabbit ears until I get around to replacing a flaky cable to the rooftop antenna. I'd pretty much decided to buy a standard 27-inch set in the low $200s to tide me over until HD prices come down, but went out yesterday to make the rounds -- Best Buy, Circuit City, Walmart.

At Walmart, over by the Jewelry counter, I noticed 2 cartons with the HT27745, priced at $447. I was shocked, since I hadn't known about any set with an integrated HDTV tuner at anything near this price. There were no sets in the display area, and when I went to the other area Walmart, they had neither cartons nor display sets. I ran home and did a Google, and found only 3 (!!) hits on the net, including this one:

http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/t...productID=1115

Apparently, this is a brand brand new model that Sanyo is building for Walmart, and it's just now hitting the stores. From the Sanyo Web page, it looked an awful lot like the 32-incher, just scaled down in size and some features. So I decided to take a chance, and ran back and bought one.

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--It's heavy -- about 100 pounds -- so even for 2 of us getting it out of the pickup and into the house was an adventure.
--It's large for a 27-inch set.
--I hooked up a Philips $20 amplified settop antenna and it immediately came up and did a scan, finding a dozen or so digital stations here in Baltimore. That in itself was a wonderful surprise -- I had no idea that there were hidden goodies in the digital world like constant weather channels, and multiple specialty channels on the PBS outlet.
--I then tweaked the antenna to angle it toward Washington, and picked up a pile of additional signals. Until now, reception from D.C. had been lame at best. Unfortunately, some of those channels are now too weak in the daytime. I think I'm going trade in the antenna for the next level of signal boost.
--The image is gorgeous. Even on source material that wasn't created in HD, it's rock solid and beautifully detailed.
--Image format is weird on digital, though. Different stations appear in different ways. Some come up in what they call "postage stamp" format, with bars on both top and sides. On a 4:3 set, that makes for a pretty small picture. The Sanyo has a zoom function to fill the screen, but that takes away from the sparkling clarity, and chops the edges if you have a standard letterbox picture. Some remorse here.
--In letterbox mode, I think I'm seeing an extremely slight tilt and pincushioning. Not jarring, just enough to nag at me.
--Sound is decent, and you can set the bass and treble. Some of the digital channels have a weird kind of echoing, though -- I haven't figured out if that's a Surround Sound artifact. I haven't yet hooked it to the stereo amp, but from what I read it's going to be a fixed-level output, which makes me unhappy, since that would mean I can't control the volume with the TV remote, and my old monster Yamaha power amp doesn't have remote control.
--Features seem to be pretty much the same as the 32-inch set, except that (1) there's no Picture and Picture, and (2) no HDMI interface.
--Analog tuner seems about the same as in our old RCA -- possibly not as strong on weak signals. Fortunately, most of the channels are coming in well on digital.

Bottom line: Sure, you can get higher quality and more features if you spend $700, or $1000, or $3000.... But my quick read on this is that it's a stunning breakthrough in the march to HDTV. It's the first set I've seen with pricing that flirts with the high end of standard sets at the same size. I easily could have spent $300 for a 27-inch flat tube, and another $100 or $150 for a settop digital receiver, and not had the quality of HD nor the convenience of built-in tuning. If you live in an urban area, you can probably do well with a decent settop antenna.

BTW: The set has a one-year store-exchange warranty. Not sure I'd like to go hauling it back, but that still seems pretty good.

I hope this long-winded post is valuable. I'll post again if I make new discoveries.
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Old 05-08-2005, 09:54 AM   #2
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Appreciate the information. I looked at the Sanyo website and they will also offer a 28" HD set in the 16:9 format with the built in HD tuner in the near future at Walmart. For some reason they dropped the 30" HD set they had for under $600. I also note that Consumer's Report loves Sanyo's reliability.
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Old 05-08-2005, 11:15 AM   #3
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Appreciate the information. I looked at the Sanyo website and they will also offer a 28" HD set in the 16:9 format with the built in HD tuner in the near future at Walmart. For some reason they dropped the 30" HD set they had for under $600. I also note that Consumer's Report loves Sanyo's reliability.
I believe they dropped it (30" widescreen HD) due to a power supply issue. I bought one and it didnt even start. That really sold me out of Sanyo for forever. Just a real inconvinience.. having it all setup and hyped.. hulling it up stairs.. only for it not to star at all!!! but i can laugh it now.

As for the review on this 27inch, i bet it looks real decent specifically for the price. I was impressed by how it looked on display at walmart.
Can't beat for the price im sure. A nice set for either : one who is not picky about perfect image quality , two poor college students, three just an extra tv in the play room, kids room, or something.
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Old 05-08-2005, 12:13 PM   #4
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--Image format is weird on digital, though. Different stations appear in different ways. Some come up in what they call "postage stamp" format, with bars on both top and sides. On a 4:3 set, that makes for a pretty small picture. The Sanyo has a zoom function to fill the screen, but that takes away from the sparkling clarity, and chops the edges if you have a standard letterbox picture. Some remorse here. --

You should have bought widescreen. What you're calling 'postage stamp format' demonstates the basic design flaw of these semicompatible narrowscreen HDTVs... your set automatically letterboxes all HDTV, since all HDTV is widescreen. When a digital station 'pillarboxes' it's 4:3 upconvert, you get the postage stamp. These sets try to cram five times the pixels into the middle 3/4 of the screen - they show 'widescreen' as 'shortscreen'.
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Old 05-09-2005, 10:34 AM   #5
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I have the RCA F38310 and also have the "postage stamp" effect on some HD OTA broadcasts - for instance, West Wing. Other shows display properly on my set. I have always figgured it's due to my built-in tuner being first gen or earlier and doesn't have capabilities of newer receivers. I can't stretch the image, either, when it's 16:9 broadcast.
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Old 05-09-2005, 10:47 AM   #6
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Sanyo also offers a widescreen version of this model (28745).
I have the HT30744 and it was a great deal. I must have been lucky compared to someone that had one DOA and others that had picture quality issues. I will look at this set for kids room.
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Old 05-10-2005, 05:35 AM   #7
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Hmmm. Has anyone seen the 28-inch HT28745 in a store yet? Anyone know the price?
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Old 05-11-2005, 02:00 AM   #8
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I saw the Sanyo 30" Vizion for 697.00 at Wal-Mart and I was impressed. The picture looked grainy but so did all the tvs on display. Must be scrambled signals. I did some research on the net and I found very good compliments on this set. I think I will get one this weekend. You can't beat the price and the features this set has. I have an entertainment center with a three year old Sony wega that I will be selling this week. I think the Sanyo will give me my moneys worth.
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Old 05-16-2005, 07:16 PM   #9
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Hmmm. Has anyone seen the 28-inch HT28745 in a store yet? Anyone know the price?
Here in Roanoke,Virginia I've seen the Sanyo HT-28745 HDTV go for $547.00 at the Wal-Mart supercenters here - strangely enough the 30" model(HT-30744) goes for $549.00 - only $2.00 more! but the 30" TV started out back in Nov. 2004 at $747.00 - now it's $549.00 - I hope this helps you out...cousinhenry
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Sorry for delayed reply. The 30-inch is a closeout. I will post an update in 2 or 3 days on my continuing adventures, but here's a summary: Had buyers' remorse after buying the 27-inch 4:3 (although it's quite nice for what it is) and went back to consider widescreens. Got lured by the 30 a week ago. Barely survived getting it home. Loved the size and shape of the image, found various things to not like about the picture. After obsessive tweaking, I got the colors/contrast, etc., to pretty much match the 27, but just had the sense that it didn't look as "real" as the letterboxed image on the 27. Of course, any enlargement will degrade perceived sharpness. Also, tuner wasn't able to pull in as many distant stations. Was hemming and hawing, when on the 3rd day the 30-inch set made my decision for me -- it wouldn't turn on. Still hums when you hit the power button, but that's that. Yesterday, traded the 27 for the 28-inch widescreen. It's possibly not as crisp as the 27 was in HD letterbox mode, but at this point my eyes are crossing from staring at these things so intently, and there's probably a psychological factor at play. In absolute terms, the image is quite nice, so it's a keeper.

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I have the RCA F38310 and also have the "postage stamp" effect on some HD OTA broadcasts - for instance, West Wing. Other shows display properly on my set. I have always figgured it's due to my built-in tuner being first gen or earlier and doesn't have capabilities of newer receivers. I can't stretch the image, either, when it's 16:9 broadcast.
If you watch West Wing on the analog channel, it will be letterboxed into a 4:3 frame. Seen on a widescreen display, this gives the 'postage stamp'. Since West Wing has only recently started shooting in HD, I'll guess that certain reruns will use 4:3 letterboxed upconverted to 'postage stamp'.

It's usual to not be able to stretch HDTV signals.
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I found the information here very useful. Wal Mart now has the 27 inch for $397 and the 28 inch for $499. The 30 inch has been replace by the 32 inch which a Wal Mart sales person told me over the phone sells for $547. What do people who bouught their sets several months ago feel about their sets now?
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Old 12-16-2005, 09:35 PM   #13
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I just bought the 32" hdtv sanyo 4:3 model at value city for 299 with built in tuner last week. It is 577 at walmart here.
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:16 AM   #14
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I have the 32" WalMart Sonya. I really like it for the price! Think I paid 597.00 +tax. CRT are HEAVY and if it was not my entertainment center, I would have went wide screen format. That is why we went 32", it's the biggest set I can get in and wife did not want to part with it. I have charter cable is use there HD box. The PQ on HD channels are tops but not so much on the analog. I think is has more to do with the cable then the TV. If you are looking for a new HD CRT you would be hard pressed to find a better deal out there.
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heavy is an understatement. Its listed at around 150 lbs but believe me it feels more like 300. I do love the PQ. The non HD channels to look a little dull in color though.
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