Not all Toshiba CRT televisions are really made by Toshiba...

waltchan · 03-21-2005, 12:28 PM

Here's what I know that Toshiba never wants you to ever know in your whole life, but I am throwing out Toshiba's television production secret for the first time to the public:

All Toshiba CRT televisions that are 30" or smaller (26HF84, 30HF84, and 30HFX84, for example) are not made by Toshiba, but made by Orion Electric Co. in Thailand. All parts, including the TV tube, are assembled by Orion. Orion is the OEM maker for many Toshiba CRT televisions we have in our market today. Whatever Toshiba asks for the exterior design and features for its CRT televisions, Orion is glad to produce and supply Toshiba for its televisions within its specifications. Toshiba has already stopped producing its own smaller-screen CRT televisions since 2000 and some larger-screen CRT televisions since 2002. Although very very few people have heard of Orion, Orion is actually more a generic brand producing low-end products to the market. Orion currently produces electronic products under the Broksonic, Durabrand, Memorex, Orion, and Sansui brands, but majority of what Orion produce is under the Toshiba brand. Orion Electric Co. is originally a Japanese company, but it moved all its plant and operations to Thailand more than a decade ago, so it now feels more like a Thai company than Japanese. Unfortunately, Orion does not make the most reliable TV on Earth. Every products that Orion make are pretty much average reliability. They are not the worst and certainly not the best.

On the other hand, any Toshiba CRT televisions that are 32" or larger (34HF84 and 34HFX84, for example) are actually made by Toshiba in USA, not Orion. These are the real Toshiba sets with real reliability, feel, and quality, and probably will last you for more than 10 years. Model 30HF83 was also made by Toshiba.

Toshiba has a really strong alliance with Orion due to its very cheap labor to produce TVs and DVD/VCR combos, but neither Toshiba nor Orion shares parts with each other when making an electronic product, so reliability is different between the two makers. Each uses its own parts to produce electronic products. Yeah, it really amazes me that a $900 Toshiba 30HF84 was being produced by cheap labor costs in Thailand by Orion.

It's no wonder why I am seeing posts from owners of the geometry and component input issues of the 26HF84 and 30HF84 sets. On the other hand, I don't really hear any geometry and component input issues on the 30HF83, 34HF83, 34HF84, and 34HFX84 models. These models use a Toshiba tube and the main board is also made and assembled by Toshiba.

I understand that there are probably couple of people out there who totally don't believe me at all. If you don't believe me, then I suggest you to go find out by yourself by getting a screwdriver, open up the back cover of the TV, and then you will either see the word "Orion" or "Toshiba" sticker on the picture tube, depending on the TV size that you have.

I hope the headquarters of Toshiba of America are not angry at me for revealing this secret to the public.

Walter Chan

alalk3 · 03-21-2005, 06:24 PM

Walter,
It didn't woek at AVS....give it a rest!

ozz3811 · 03-21-2005, 09:41 PM

Nothing new.
Here is the case.
When a new size tv comes out lets say 32 inch, the company that produced that size takes out a patten on it. Any manufactura that wants to sell that same size has to pay royalties to the patent holder. It becomes much easier for them to just buy the picture tube from the company who ownes the patten on it. So the producer of most tv is the one holding the patent for that size. At least that how it was many years ago.
Many patents have run out of its time by now.
This is why in the big screen tv, there are so many sizes now. Come out with a certen size and patten a certain technology for it and its yours for the next 15 years.
Soon there might be all available sizes between 38 and currentl 82 inch.

xcitor · 03-22-2005, 07:14 AM

Look i've hearing a lot about this subject lately. I have a 30HFX84 and its a beautiful tv. Theres absolutly nothing wrong with it. If it has the toshiba name on it i'm sure they wouldn't let a piece of sh*t go out on the market. I haven't had any geometry issues or anything it has worked perfect. Toshiba is one of my favorite companys, I have the SD-5970 from them as well as a laptop. Haven't had any issues with any of them. Those people that right the bad things about components are probably 1 in a 1000. Those other 999 people are so happy with there product that they don't have time to post a good review, because they are too busy using it.

alalk3 · 03-22-2005, 04:06 PM

You have a fine TV. We have been trying to cool Walter's jets at the AVS forum for a while. He means well. It's real simple. EVERYONE OUTSOURCES. If Orion (Yes Walter, I believe you) is building the sets, it really doesn't matter. They are doing it to Toshiba specs with approved parts. You probably have no idea where the car you drive was built or where all the parts came from. It's the way business is done now. No matter who builds your TV (I understand that a volkswagon and Mercedes model is built in Australia with most parts built in Mexico, or maybe its the other way around). Don't worry about outsourcing. Just one more thing. I'm running a 34HF84 with the 5970. Don't do what I did. I was getting a terrific picture. I thought it could get better. Just bought expensive HDMI cable-no diff!

waltchan · 06-28-2005, 11:57 PM

Just want to stop by real quick and make a fast update here regarding to Toshiba's recent changing CRT television production:

Three new models have been added to the list that were once used to be made by Toshiba, but Toshiba has now decided to discontinue producing them and now allows Orion to fully made these sets for Toshiba. The model numbers are 32A35, 32AF45 (USA built), and 34HF85 (USA built).

More updates are on the way soon. Stay tuned.

Walter Chan

Emsurfer · 06-30-2005, 06:49 PM

Toyota assembles many of their vehicles in Kentucky, USA. Ford makes their cars in Mexico. Toshiba's reliability is still up there with SONY, Panasonic, and Sharp. Outsourcing is a fact of life. Bose and Onkyo have been doing it since the 1990's. But yet, could you argue about their quality?? If you lift someone's carpet, you're bound to find dirt.

Blue_Tech · 07-01-2005, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emsurfer

Toyota assembles many of their vehicles in Kentucky, USA. Ford makes their cars in Mexico. Toshiba's reliability is still up there with SONY, Panasonic, and Sharp. Outsourcing is a fact of life. Bose and Onkyo have been doing it since the 1990's. But yet, could you argue about their quality?? If you lift someone's carpet, you're bound to find dirt.

I was coming back to this thread with just that in mind. Its a fact of the business world. No better explained than in automobiles.

Porsche, Audi = Volkswagen
Lexus = Toyota
Infiniti = Nissan
Acura = Honda
Early 80's Chevy Nova = Toyota Corola (or maybe a Tercel)
Isuzu Ascender = Chevy Trailblazer
Isuzu Hombre = Chevy S10
Honda Passport = Isuzu Amigo
Chevy Duramax Diesel = Isuzu Motors
Chevy's latest V6 engines = Honda Motors
Mazda B6000 Trucks = Ford Rangers
Ford Escape = Mazda Tribute

List goes on forever...

GM has been pulling this crap for years with the GMC and Chevy trucks. Charge thousands more for the GMC's when they are built side by side at the same factories. GMC have moderatly better quality, mainly in the fastners used in construction to help eliminate squeaks and rattles. I personally like the Mazda deals, you can get nice looking, good quality vehichles for thousands less than the Fords.

This practice has been in effect in almost all industries for years, and it will never stop. Thats what warranties are for.

waltchan · 07-01-2005, 10:45 PM

Read this article at:

http://www.twice.com/article/CA476383.html

(You must register before you can read the entire article.)

It says that after December 29, 2004, Toshiba will close its CRT manufacturing site doors forever. This was just a few days away before Toshiba announced their new lineup for 2005 at CES.

So, we have finally concluded that all Toshiba CRT televisions, regardless of what size and price, are not made by Toshiba, but made by a low-end Thai manufacturer, Orion. This is the most tragic thing I've heard from an electronic company.

THIS TOPIC IS NOW CLOSED AND IS FINISHED.

Walter Chan

oblioman · 07-02-2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan

Read this article at:

http://www.twice.com/article/CA476383.html

(You must register before you can read the entire article.)

It says that after December 29, 2004, Toshiba will close its CRT manufacturing site doors forever. This was just a few days away before Toshiba announced their new lineup for 2005 at CES.

So, we have finally concluded that all Toshiba CRT televisions, regardless of what size and price, are not made by Toshiba, but made by a low-end Thai manufacturer, Orion. This is the most tragic thing I've heard from an electronic company.

THIS TOPIC IS NOW CLOSED AND IS FINISHED.

Walter Chan

What was your point in opening it?????

borromini · 07-02-2005, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan

...THIS TOPIC IS NOW CLOSED AND IS FINISHED.

This guy's a real peach!

Cyberman · 07-04-2005, 01:08 AM

Blue Tech, sorry to have to tell you this. GM is outsourcing right. That's why they're going bankrupt. Their quality in their vehicles sucks. That's why they're having their employee discount for everyone sale. I hear these complaints from everyone that owns a GM vehicle. I once owned a Pontiac and despite the pristine care I gave it, the car gave me problems that wouldn't quit two years after the purchase. Never a GM vehicle again for me.

Blue_Tech · 07-04-2005, 10:26 PM

Did I say I had a certain affinity for GM vehichles? No, there just one of the heaviest users of the automotive outsourcing scheme that I know of. I'm sure their are bigger ones. Especially the Korean companies.

But now that you mention it, I do like GM vehichles over most others. Growing up GM, I've just learned to deal with American quality issues (which I DO NOT deny). American is crap, thats why my girlfriends RAV4 has almost 250,000 miles and makes nary a rattle and drinks not a drop of oil. Meanwhile, my 115,000 mile S10 has its second transmission, and makes enough noises to star in a CarX commercial... remember those? "Rattle rattle thunder clatter, boom..boom..boom.. Dont worry call the CarX man!".

If you dont mind working on your own vehichles, which is pretty much my thing outside of work and electronics... American cars are cheap and easy to fix, mostly (damn Fords!). I dread the day any of our other foreign vehichles will need a major repair.

tedrik · 07-04-2005, 11:10 PM

HeyWalter, seems that you were probably made in China (or descended from). That doesn't make you poor/low quality does it!!?

Emsurfer · 07-04-2005, 11:17 PM

I think outsourcing by itself is neither a good nor bad thing. Companies like Onkyo and Bose have done a fair job with it. Toshiba is doing well thus far. GM and the Korean Carmakers, whether they outsource or not, just plain SUCK. To even bring up GM and Korean companies in the same sentence as Toshiba is ludicrous. Funny thing is that the quality of Ford which also SUCKS, has improved while GM has gone downhill.

03-21-2005, 12:28 PM	#1
waltchan High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 120	Not all Toshiba CRT televisions are really made by Toshiba... Here's what I know that Toshiba never wants you to ever know in your whole life, but I am throwing out Toshiba's television production secret for the first time to the public: All Toshiba CRT televisions that are 30" or smaller (26HF84, 30HF84, and 30HFX84, for example) are not made by Toshiba, but made by Orion Electric Co. in Thailand. All parts, including the TV tube, are assembled by Orion. Orion is the OEM maker for many Toshiba CRT televisions we have in our market today. Whatever Toshiba asks for the exterior design and features for its CRT televisions, Orion is glad to produce and supply Toshiba for its televisions within its specifications. Toshiba has already stopped producing its own smaller-screen CRT televisions since 2000 and some larger-screen CRT televisions since 2002. Although very very few people have heard of Orion, Orion is actually more a generic brand producing low-end products to the market. Orion currently produces electronic products under the Broksonic, Durabrand, Memorex, Orion, and Sansui brands, but majority of what Orion produce is under the Toshiba brand. Orion Electric Co. is originally a Japanese company, but it moved all its plant and operations to Thailand more than a decade ago, so it now feels more like a Thai company than Japanese. Unfortunately, Orion does not make the most reliable TV on Earth. Every products that Orion make are pretty much average reliability. They are not the worst and certainly not the best. On the other hand, any Toshiba CRT televisions that are 32" or larger (34HF84 and 34HFX84, for example) are actually made by Toshiba in USA, not Orion. These are the real Toshiba sets with real reliability, feel, and quality, and probably will last you for more than 10 years. Model 30HF83 was also made by Toshiba. Toshiba has a really strong alliance with Orion due to its very cheap labor to produce TVs and DVD/VCR combos, but neither Toshiba nor Orion shares parts with each other when making an electronic product, so reliability is different between the two makers. Each uses its own parts to produce electronic products. Yeah, it really amazes me that a $900 Toshiba 30HF84 was being produced by cheap labor costs in Thailand by Orion. It's no wonder why I am seeing posts from owners of the geometry and component input issues of the 26HF84 and 30HF84 sets. On the other hand, I don't really hear any geometry and component input issues on the 30HF83, 34HF83, 34HF84, and 34HFX84 models. These models use a Toshiba tube and the main board is also made and assembled by Toshiba. I understand that there are probably couple of people out there who totally don't believe me at all. If you don't believe me, then I suggest you to go find out by yourself by getting a screwdriver, open up the back cover of the TV, and then you will either see the word "Orion" or "Toshiba" sticker on the picture tube, depending on the TV size that you have. I hope the headquarters of Toshiba of America are not angry at me for revealing this secret to the public. Walter Chan Last edited by waltchan; 03-21-2005 at 12:50 PM.

03-21-2005, 06:24 PM	#2
alalk3 alalk Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: freedom NH, (not just a state of mind) Posts: 50	Here we go again Walter, It didn't woek at AVS....give it a rest!

03-21-2005, 09:41 PM	#3
ozz3811 A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 11	Nothing new. Here is the case. When a new size tv comes out lets say 32 inch, the company that produced that size takes out a patten on it. Any manufactura that wants to sell that same size has to pay royalties to the patent holder. It becomes much easier for them to just buy the picture tube from the company who ownes the patten on it. So the producer of most tv is the one holding the patent for that size. At least that how it was many years ago. Many patents have run out of its time by now. This is why in the big screen tv, there are so many sizes now. Come out with a certen size and patten a certain technology for it and its yours for the next 15 years. Soon there might be all available sizes between 38 and currentl 82 inch. Last edited by ozz3811; 03-21-2005 at 09:45 PM.

03-22-2005, 04:06 PM	#5
alalk3 alalk Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: freedom NH, (not just a state of mind) Posts: 50	xcitor You have a fine TV. We have been trying to cool Walter's jets at the AVS forum for a while. He means well. It's real simple. EVERYONE OUTSOURCES. If Orion (Yes Walter, I believe you) is building the sets, it really doesn't matter. They are doing it to Toshiba specs with approved parts. You probably have no idea where the car you drive was built or where all the parts came from. It's the way business is done now. No matter who builds your TV (I understand that a volkswagon and Mercedes model is built in Australia with most parts built in Mexico, or maybe its the other way around). Don't worry about outsourcing. Just one more thing. I'm running a 34HF84 with the 5970. Don't do what I did. I was getting a terrific picture. I thought it could get better. Just bought expensive HDMI cable-no diff!

06-28-2005, 11:57 PM	#6
waltchan High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 120	Three new models: 32A35, 32AF45, and 34HF85 Just want to stop by real quick and make a fast update here regarding to Toshiba's recent changing CRT television production: Three new models have been added to the list that were once used to be made by Toshiba, but Toshiba has now decided to discontinue producing them and now allows Orion to fully made these sets for Toshiba. The model numbers are 32A35, 32AF45 (USA built), and 34HF85 (USA built). More updates are on the way soon. Stay tuned. Walter Chan

03-22-2005, 07:14 AM	#4
xcitor Just MARRIED!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Age: 25 Posts: 424	Look i've hearing a lot about this subject lately. I have a 30HFX84 and its a beautiful tv. Theres absolutly nothing wrong with it. If it has the toshiba name on it i'm sure they wouldn't let a piece of sh*t go out on the market. I haven't had any geometry issues or anything it has worked perfect. Toshiba is one of my favorite companys, I have the SD-5970 from them as well as a laptop. Haven't had any issues with any of them. Those people that right the bad things about components are probably 1 in a 1000. Those other 999 people are so happy with there product that they don't have time to post a good review, because they are too busy using it.

06-30-2005, 06:49 PM	#7
Emsurfer High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 661	Not all Toshiba CRTs are made by Toshiba Toyota assembles many of their vehicles in Kentucky, USA. Ford makes their cars in Mexico. Toshiba's reliability is still up there with SONY, Panasonic, and Sharp. Outsourcing is a fact of life. Bose and Onkyo have been doing it since the 1990's. But yet, could you argue about their quality?? If you lift someone's carpet, you're bound to find dirt.

07-01-2005, 10:45 PM	#9
waltchan High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 120	Toshiba offically has ended CRT television production... Read this article at: http://www.twice.com/article/CA476383.html (You must register before you can read the entire article.) It says that after December 29, 2004, Toshiba will close its CRT manufacturing site doors forever. This was just a few days away before Toshiba announced their new lineup for 2005 at CES. So, we have finally concluded that all Toshiba CRT televisions, regardless of what size and price, are not made by Toshiba, but made by a low-end Thai manufacturer, Orion. This is the most tragic thing I've heard from an electronic company. THIS TOPIC IS NOW CLOSED AND IS FINISHED. Walter Chan

07-04-2005, 01:08 AM	#12
Cyberman HD Heavensent Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: McAllen, TX Posts: 100	Blue Tech, sorry to have to tell you this. GM is outsourcing right. That's why they're going bankrupt. Their quality in their vehicles sucks. That's why they're having their employee discount for everyone sale. I hear these complaints from everyone that owns a GM vehicle. I once owned a Pontiac and despite the pristine care I gave it, the car gave me problems that wouldn't quit two years after the purchase. Never a GM vehicle again for me.

07-04-2005, 10:26 PM	#13
Blue_Tech Who needs reality? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 436	Did I say I had a certain affinity for GM vehichles? No, there just one of the heaviest users of the automotive outsourcing scheme that I know of. I'm sure their are bigger ones. Especially the Korean companies. But now that you mention it, I do like GM vehichles over most others. Growing up GM, I've just learned to deal with American quality issues (which I DO NOT deny). American is crap, thats why my girlfriends RAV4 has almost 250,000 miles and makes nary a rattle and drinks not a drop of oil. Meanwhile, my 115,000 mile S10 has its second transmission, and makes enough noises to star in a CarX commercial... remember those? "Rattle rattle thunder clatter, boom..boom..boom.. Dont worry call the CarX man!". If you dont mind working on your own vehichles, which is pretty much my thing outside of work and electronics... American cars are cheap and easy to fix, mostly (damn Fords!). I dread the day any of our other foreign vehichles will need a major repair. __________________ Blue_Tech Sony KV32XBR400 Sony DVD Dream 5.1 system Sony PS2 DishNet 522 Dual Tuner DVR

07-04-2005, 11:10 PM	#14
tedrik How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 16	Where were you made Walter!? HeyWalter, seems that you were probably made in China (or descended from). That doesn't make you poor/low quality does it!!?

07-04-2005, 11:17 PM	#15
Emsurfer High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 661	Outsourcing I think outsourcing by itself is neither a good nor bad thing. Companies like Onkyo and Bose have done a fair job with it. Toshiba is doing well thus far. GM and the Korean Carmakers, whether they outsource or not, just plain SUCK. To even bring up GM and Korean companies in the same sentence as Toshiba is ludicrous. Funny thing is that the quality of Ford which also SUCKS, has improved while GM has gone downhill.