What Are You Paying For Regular Gas These Days?

[hatt]

I still don't see why we're screwing ourselves with nonsense while we wait on ethanol technology to come around in 20XX. The only things we're doing right now is handing borrowed money to giant corps, politicians, special interest, and raising our food prices. The impact on the fuel supply is but a tiny whisper.

I found a place selling E0(recreation fuel). I was planning on just running it in my OPE so they don't get fucked up when the gas sits for a few weeks, but I'm thinking about running it in my cars too. Sure it costs more but the better mileage will make up a little of the cost. Oh and it's illegal in FL to use E0 in newer cars. Remember those politicians and special interest?

[amdgamer]

Originally Posted by hatt

I still don't see why we're screwing ourselves with nonsense while we wait on ethanol technology to come around in 20XX. The only things we're doing right now is handing borrowed money to giant corps, politicians, special interest, and raising our food prices. The impact on the fuel supply is but a tiny whisper.

I found a place selling E0(recreation fuel). I was planning on just running it in my OPE so they don't get fucked up when the gas sits for a few weeks, but I'm thinking about running it in my cars too. Sure it costs more but the better mileage will make up a little of the cost. Oh and it's illegal in FL to use E0 in newer cars. Remember those politicians and special interest?

Does that pure petrol(E0) contain the proper additive packages for use in a modern car? If that is the case, it isn't leaded, and it is the proper octane rating, I suppose you could be our guinea pig and give it a try. As a general rule, cars get between 3-6% worse fuel economy when running on petrol that has 10% ethanol in it. Older vehicles running a carbeurator may get as worse as 10% lower fuel economy.

I wish there were places that still sold pure petrol here in Cincinnati as my old Focus doesn't seem to like being filled up with blends that have as much as 10% ethanol. There were a few stations around here that advertised 100% petrol with no ethanol, but they have closed down and changed owners.

It is my belief that ethanol is pretty much here to stay, and those fascists at the EPA have even given the okay for states to allow for the use of upto 15% ethanol.

[hatt]

You can get E0 in Cinci. It looks like a marina so it's going to be expensive.

[Lee Stewart]

$3.40

[amdgamer]

Originally Posted by hatt

You can get E0 in Cinci. It looks like a marina so it's going to be expensive.

Yeah, and i'll pass. Besides, isn't marine fuel leaded just like AVgas is?

I used to think petrol with ethanol used to smell funny, but wait till you smell how funny E85 is while you are standing there pumping.......

[ImRizzo]

$3.74 reg/unld 4.09 prem.

[hatt]

Originally Posted by amdgamer

Yeah, and i'll pass. Besides, isn't marine fuel leaded just like AVgas is?

I used to think petrol with ethanol used to smell funny, but wait till you smell how funny E85 is while you are standing there pumping.......

The traditional AVgas(100LL) is leaded, and 100 octane. Many plane engines run fine with regular unleaded MOgas and airports sell it. So small airports are a possible source for ethanol free gas.

[amdgamer]

Originally Posted by hatt

The traditional AVgas(100LL) is leaded, and 100 octane. Many plane engines run fine with regular unleaded MOgas and airports sell it. So small airports are a possible source for ethanol free gas.

Yes, but what about the proper additive package? You also don't want to run a fuel with an octane rating that high as it will cause drivability problems over time. My mom used to run nothing but 93 octane in her Escort a long time ago because she always thought that premium meant better gas. It created some serious drivability problems over time after it caused serious carbon buildup on the valves and in the combustion chamber. Ford even states in the manual that running anything higher than recommended can cause problems. The Ford senior tech at the local dealer(before they went out of business during the recession) also told me the exact same thing after we brought my mom's car in because it was stuttering and pinging.

[hatt]

Originally Posted by amdgamer

Yes, but what about the proper additive package? You also don't want to run a fuel with an octane rating that high as it will cause drivability problems over time. My mom used to run nothing but 93 octane in her Escort a long time ago because she always thought that premium meant better gas. It created some serious drivability problems over time after it caused serious carbon buildup on the valves and in the combustion chamber. Ford even states in the manual that running anything higher than recommended can cause problems. The Ford senior tech at the local dealer(before they went out of business during the recession) also told me the exact same thing after we brought my mom's car in because it was stuttering and pinging.

Which gas are you talking about?

You can't run the 100LL on the road. No road taxes are paid and the high amounts of lead will kill your converter, O2 sensors, etc.

Mogas is made to run in cars. But people use it in aircraft. Ethanol is not approved for aircraft. Octane is going vary.

As far as using a higher octane if that's the only one available. The lack of ethanol outweighs the potential issue with running a higher octane when gas sits for any length of time.

Seeking out ethanol free gas for your daily driver isn't going to make financial sense. Just buy 87 E<=10. It does make sense in cars that aren't driven regularly and any other engine that isn't ran all the time. Or if you're storing gas for any length of time.

[oblioman]

Originally Posted by amdgamer

You must not have been watching the news lately, as there is a movement among greenies to stop using solar panels because they are disrupting the desert ecosystem. That was my only point as I beleive that solar will be the way to go, but only when it becomes economically feasible. However, we all must keep an open mind about this problem because of the fact that I do not see any single source becoming THE replacement for fossil fuels. Coal powered plants have also made a ton of advancements that make them cleaner than ever before. Coal is cheap, and something we have a ton of. However I would rather us build a nuclear power plant than another coal plant.




This is pretty much the problem. When you break it down to pure numbers, solar doesn't make financial sense because of the huge up front cost. Once it becomes more cost efficient and better, then it will be the way.



I'm running E85 because I would rather keep more of our money here in the US rather than throwing it away overseas. If that means I have to pay a little more to buy American, then i'll pay more. E85 is currently selling for 10-15% less than petrol, and i'm seeing roughly a 25% fuel economy hit over the 3 tanks of E85 i've run now.

The so-called movement by the left wing greenies are the ones that wish to ride bicycles, halt all nuclear production, completely stop coal,,,,and have a fruitless wish that all the world live in harmony with nature. Nothing wrong with them holding their view, but reality is reality. Energy drives our economy. How we generate the energy will determine our world status for years to come. At this stage of the game, oil is still number 1. No two ways about it. But you know as well as meself that all #1's eventually get knocked down and replaced. The sooner our focus is on the replacement(s),the sooner we can reserve our national resources for more fruitful ventures.

We are twiddling our thumbs because of the perceived notion that alternative energy is to expensive. We have spent well over a trillion dollars - pure waste - fighting stupid wars in the mideast basically protecting oil rights. Talk about waste. Talk about expensive. Talk about being doubly expensive considering that we are borrowing money to fight these stupid wars. Demand brings production. Production meets demand. Production exceeds demand. Once production exceeds demand,,,prices drop. We have seen it dramatically in the past 5 years (considering solar). A trillion dollars - even if it was borrowed - would have propelled us as a nation much closer to our national security if it had been spent at home on infrastucture,,,instead of blowing up rocks overseas.

[hatt]

It looks like what we have done is wasted most of our ethanol blending it into E10 which made more useful products such as E85 too expensive to be of much use. If E85 was $2.50 a gallon it would be selling like crazy.

[jusHD]

Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54

and we are mad about what?

[SOBAY310]

$4.05 here in So Cal for regular...dammit.


Oh well, at least Filet o Fish's are only $1.50.

[jusHD]

Oh yeah and before we blame the "evil oil corparations" take a look at south texas eagle ford drilling (yeah this is what i do so i know) and look at whos drilling it. The biggest find in recent years and hte CNOOC is drilling it. Who's that? The Chinese National Oil company brought let in by our dumbass president while american companies are restricted to drill where they want.

[House72]

Originally Posted by jusHD

Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54

and we are mad about what?

Since I don't frequent any of those places, I don't give two shits what they pay for gas..

Since I'm in the US here, I'm disgruntled that I'm getting ass raped at the pumps IMO..