Muscle Cars 1962 to 1972

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 10:26 AM

1962 Riveria Convertible Concept Car

Addition info and photos:

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/...y-wasnt-built/

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 10:29 AM

1965 GT350 owned by Indy Car Racer and team owner Bobby Rahal

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 10:37 AM

1970 SS396 Nova

It's been a while since I posted a photo of a car with . . .

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 10:54 AM

OK . . . that should hold me for a while

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 01:57 PM

If you look at the Rally Wheel Center Cap, for the FDB option, from this 1967 Camaro Sales Brochure, you see they differ from the production 1967 unit.

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 02:36 PM

Did you know . . .

The 1967 Camaro had a number of steering options, both manual and power:

Convertible and all AC: Manual 28:1

SS350 and Sport Coupe: Manual 24:1

N44: Fast Ratio Manual 21.6:1

N40: Power Steering: 17.5:1

N44 + N40: Fast Ratio Power Steering: 15.6:1

92,181 cars were built with N40 and 6,155 cars were built with N44. That totals 98,336 but that also assumes no cars were built with N40 and N44 which we know isn't true.

Chevy built 220,906 Camaros in 1967 (all types) so more than 122,570 Camaros had the standard manual steering - over 55%.

To add to this, only 24,549 cars had J50: Power Brakes. That means that 196,357 cars had manual drum brakes - 89% (Note: In 1967, you could order J52: Front Disc Brakes - 14,899 did - without J50, but it has been my experience looking at thousands of 1967 Camaros - almost all of those with J52 had J50 also.)

Driving a 1967 Camaro, either a convertible or one with AC with the standard manual steering and standard drum brakes, would be like driving a bus!

BTW . . . the 1967 Z/28 came standard with N44 and mandatory J50, J52

1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS/SS 396/375 HP, 4-Speed

Manual steering and drum brakes:

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=FL0113-143038

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 03:51 PM

Did you know . . .

In 1971, the standard Z28 spoiler continued to be the small style, but adding RPO D80 to the Z28 replaced the small spoiler with the larger style, the three-piece design available in 1970 as COPO 9796. All 1971 Z28 models had front air dams.

RPO D80 ($79.00):

Lee Stewart · 11-29-2012, 04:06 PM

1968 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe W-31 (1 of 30)

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=FL0113-146681

1968 W31 Production Numbers:

3277 F85 Club Coupe: 38
3600 Cutlass Supreme HT: 674
4287 Cutlass Supreme HT Coupe: 30

TOTAL: 742

69stang · 12-31-2012, 01:13 PM

This thread is awesome. I've learned a lot.

After checking out this thread over the past couple of months I had to post some input regarding post # 3173

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Playboy Pink 1969 Mustang GT Convertible

It is doubtful this is a real GT. I contacted the seller a while ago, when it was on ebay, asking for documentation, ie, marti report and was told a copy would be emailed to me but they broke off communication. Close examination of the pictures reveals several indicators that its just a convertible that was painted pink, poor masking in several places. Also the only evidence it could be a GT is a few pieces that could be picked up at a swap meet. Then there's the missing minor parts (inexpensive) that anyone serious about selling a rare car would have replaced, especially when asking a $39,000 starting bid. You'll also notice poor repairs on the inner fenders. Overall, it looks like a high school kid got a hold of it trying to make it something its not. Worth a few thousand just because its a mustang convertible but someone is dreaming at $39,000 as evident by "0" bids every time I've seen it on ebay. As far as I’m concerned the owner (if the person advertising it is the owner) is scamming. It no longer shows up on ebay but does occasionally on the Dallas area craigslist.

I currently own a 69 Hardtop mustang (my 3rd) and 06 V6 coupe mustang (my 15th). I once had a dark metallic blue 68 hardtop mustang (my 2nd) that I discovered was originally pink with a white vinyl top and loaded. Pic below of the one already posted. Original was linked and being new I can't link yet.

GAOldsman · 12-31-2012, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

1972 442 W30 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop (1 of 17)

1972 442 W30 Production Numbers:

Cutlass Supreme Hardtop: 17
Cutlass "S" Sport Coupe: 19
Cutlass "S" Hardtop: 623
Cutlass Supreme Convertible: 113

TOTAL: 772

Not a Cutlass Supreme, that my friend is the 1 of 19 Cutlass "S" Sport Coupes or "Post" Coupe

GAOldsman · 01-01-2013, 08:57 AM

Actually you couldn't order the Cutlass Supreme hardtop coupe with the W30, but you could order the W46 in the Hurst Olds in '72, which by default gave you a W30 and the H/O in the Cutlass Supreme hardtop coupe

GAOldsman · 01-01-2013, 02:27 PM

Another quirky fact about the '72 W30 is that the only way to tell if a car was a true 442 in 1972 without documentation is by the X in the VIN.

Example VIN and breakdown

3J67X2M123456

3 = GM Division - Oldsmobile
J = Model - Cutlass Supreme
67 = Body Style - Droptop
X = Engine - L77 455 4bbl (W30) w/ Auto and Manual Trans
2 = Year - 1972
M = Assembly Plant - Lansing, Michigan (Not all 442's were produced here but ALL W30's were)
123456 = Plant Sequence #

So the VIN shown does reflect it is in fact a W30 and a 442 by default. And you could get the W30 on a '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible just not the hardtop (unless of course you got the W46)

However you cannot tell if a car was merely a 442 in 1972 by the VIN or by the cowl tag as 442 was no longer a model of its own but now just an appearance and handling package.

Engine Codes for all 1972 Oldsmobile A- Bodies

[RPO code]

H = [L32] 350 2bbl single exhaust (Standard Base Engine)
J = [L32 + N10] 350 2bbl dual exhaust (Standard Base Engine)
K = [L34] 350 4bbl single exhaust
M = [L34 + N10] 350 4bbl dual exhaust
U = [L75] 455 4bbl with automatic transmission and dual exhaust.
V = [L75] 455 4bbl with manual transmission and dual exhaust.
X = [L77] 455 4bbl (W30) any transmission and dual exhaust.

So basically without documentation it is tough to prove if a car actually came with RPO code W29 (442 appearance and handling package) in 1972.

SORNO · 01-03-2013, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69stang

This thread is awesome. I've learned a lot.

After checking out this thread over the past couple of months I had to post some input regarding post # 3173

It is doubtful this is a real GT. I contacted the seller a while ago, when it was on ebay, asking for documentation, ie, marti report and was told a copy would be emailed to me but they broke off communication. Close examination of the pictures reveals several indicators that its just a convertible that was painted pink, poor masking in several places. Also the only evidence it could be a GT is a few pieces that could be picked up at a swap meet. Then there's the missing minor parts (inexpensive) that anyone serious about selling a rare car would have replaced, especially when asking a $39,000 starting bid. You'll also notice poor repairs on the inner fenders. Overall, it looks like a high school kid got a hold of it trying to make it something its not. Worth a few thousand just because its a mustang convertible but someone is dreaming at $39,000 as evident by "0" bids every time I've seen it on ebay. As far as I’m concerned the owner (if the person advertising it is the owner) is scamming. It no longer shows up on ebay but does occasionally on the Dallas area craigslist.

I currently own a 69 Hardtop mustang (my 3rd) and 06 V6 coupe mustang (my 15th). I once had a dark metallic blue 68 hardtop mustang (my 2nd) that I discovered was originally pink with a white vinyl top and loaded. Pic below of the one already posted. Original was linked and being new I can't link yet.

I agree with you. I thought that car seemed pretty half hearted for a 39K car.

What happened to Lee he hasn't posted in over a month.

Lee Stewart · 01-17-2013, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SORNO

I agree with you. I thought that car seemed pretty half hearted for a 39K car.

What happened to Lee he hasn't posted in over a month.

Just taking a break. Thanks for the concern. Maybe someone else will start posting pictures of rare Muscle Cars.

Lee Stewart · 01-17-2013, 11:30 AM

There is one car with an option I have never seen:

1971 Challenger (either Black or Green Go - only two body colors available) with the Lime Green Stripes - either an R/T or just a Challenger.

So if any one has a picture they can post of this rare color combo, please do.

11-29-2012, 01:57 PM	#5690
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	If you look at the Rally Wheel Center Cap, for the FDB option, from this 1967 Camaro Sales Brochure, you see they differ from the production 1967 unit. Last edited by Lee Stewart; 11-29-2012 at 02:13 PM.

11-29-2012, 02:36 PM	#5691
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	Did you know . . . The 1967 Camaro had a number of steering options, both manual and power: Convertible and all AC: Manual 28:1 SS350 and Sport Coupe: Manual 24:1 N44: Fast Ratio Manual 21.6:1 N40: Power Steering: 17.5:1 N44 + N40: Fast Ratio Power Steering: 15.6:1 92,181 cars were built with N40 and 6,155 cars were built with N44. That totals 98,336 but that also assumes no cars were built with N40 and N44 which we know isn't true. Chevy built 220,906 Camaros in 1967 (all types) so more than 122,570 Camaros had the standard manual steering - over 55%. To add to this, only 24,549 cars had J50: Power Brakes. That means that 196,357 cars had manual drum brakes - 89% (Note: In 1967, you could order J52: Front Disc Brakes - 14,899 did - without J50, but it has been my experience looking at thousands of 1967 Camaros - almost all of those with J52 had J50 also.) Driving a 1967 Camaro, either a convertible or one with AC with the standard manual steering and standard drum brakes, would be like driving a bus! BTW . . . the 1967 Z/28 came standard with N44 and mandatory J50, J52 1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS/SS 396/375 HP, 4-Speed Manual steering and drum brakes: http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=FL0113-143038 Last edited by Lee Stewart; 11-29-2012 at 04:41 PM.

11-29-2012, 10:26 AM	#5686
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	1962 Riveria Convertible Concept Car Addition info and photos: http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/...y-wasnt-built/

11-29-2012, 10:29 AM	#5687
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	1965 GT350 owned by Indy Car Racer and team owner Bobby Rahal

11-29-2012, 10:37 AM	#5688
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	1970 SS396 Nova It's been a while since I posted a photo of a car with . . .

11-29-2012, 10:54 AM	#5689
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	OK . . . that should hold me for a while

11-29-2012, 03:51 PM	#5692
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	Did you know . . . In 1971, the standard Z28 spoiler continued to be the small style, but adding RPO D80 to the Z28 replaced the small spoiler with the larger style, the three-piece design available in 1970 as COPO 9796. All 1971 Z28 models had front air dams. RPO D80 ($79.00):

11-29-2012, 04:06 PM	#5693
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	1968 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe W-31 (1 of 30) http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...=FL0113-146681 1968 W31 Production Numbers: 3277 F85 Club Coupe: 38 3600 Cutlass Supreme HT: 674 4287 Cutlass Supreme HT Coupe: 30 TOTAL: 742

01-01-2013, 08:57 AM	#5696
GAOldsman High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 30	Actually you couldn't order the Cutlass Supreme hardtop coupe with the W30, but you could order the W46 in the Hurst Olds in '72, which by default gave you a W30 and the H/O in the Cutlass Supreme hardtop coupe

01-01-2013, 02:27 PM	#5697
GAOldsman High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 30	Another quirky fact about the '72 W30 is that the only way to tell if a car was a true 442 in 1972 without documentation is by the X in the VIN. Example VIN and breakdown 3J67X2M123456 3 = GM Division - Oldsmobile J = Model - Cutlass Supreme 67 = Body Style - Droptop X = Engine - L77 455 4bbl (W30) w/ Auto and Manual Trans 2 = Year - 1972 M = Assembly Plant - Lansing, Michigan (Not all 442's were produced here but ALL W30's were) 123456 = Plant Sequence # So the VIN shown does reflect it is in fact a W30 and a 442 by default. And you could get the W30 on a '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible just not the hardtop (unless of course you got the W46) However you cannot tell if a car was merely a 442 in 1972 by the VIN or by the cowl tag as 442 was no longer a model of its own but now just an appearance and handling package. Engine Codes for all 1972 Oldsmobile A- Bodies [RPO code] H = [L32] 350 2bbl single exhaust (Standard Base Engine) J = [L32 + N10] 350 2bbl dual exhaust (Standard Base Engine) K = [L34] 350 4bbl single exhaust M = [L34 + N10] 350 4bbl dual exhaust U = [L75] 455 4bbl with automatic transmission and dual exhaust. V = [L75] 455 4bbl with manual transmission and dual exhaust. X = [L77] 455 4bbl (W30) any transmission and dual exhaust. So basically without documentation it is tough to prove if a car actually came with RPO code W29 (442 appearance and handling package) in 1972.

01-17-2013, 11:30 AM	#5700
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	There is one car with an option I have never seen: 1971 Challenger (either Black or Green Go - only two body colors available) with the Lime Green Stripes - either an R/T or just a Challenger. So if any one has a picture they can post of this rare color combo, please do.